Where does the released list leave us?

[Bladeinleeds]

As mentioned in the other thread :

- Scougs and Marky Marky are out.
- EEL and Chapman back to parent club
- Done, Wilson and Hussey on the transfer list.

All seem sensible to me and suggest we a looking to increase the quality of the squad options. Hopefully wilder has highlighted some targets to ensure we are more than competitive in the league above and only want people who we are onfident can cut it in the league above.

Just wondered what people think we need now...

Expect Ched to be a like for like replacement for Mcnulty and suspect we may be done for forwards unless there is a little bit more money to really splash out on a quality player.

However, with done and hussy going we are well short a full back.

And Scougall and done and Chapman mean there are little In the way of wide players.

We are also down to 3 CB if Wilson goes so I suspect one or 2 maybe required (or potentially someone who can play at full back too)

 

[Esablade]

...with some holes to fill...always an exciting prospect

 

[Tezza1889]

Hate if you want, if Evans hits the ground running we will be in business.

Evans can be top scorer..in this team..

I know I'm possibly on my own, but he's as good as Deane when firing on all cylinders and in a good team..which we have... I'm not worried in the slightest..

If you can't tell..

 

[Tezza1889]

Ps....leaving the moral what not to one side...I'm on about the football...

Which he's really good at. Just in case you were wondering..

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Hate if you want, if Evans hits the ground running we will be in business.

Evans can be top scorer..in this team..

I know I'm possibly on my own, but he's as good as Deane when firing on all cylinders and in a good team..which we have... I'm not worried in the slightest..

If you can't tell..

My comment was more along the lines of if we've dropped £500k on Evans. We are going to have to get a striker to oust Billy / Clark / Lavery. Which presumably won't be cheap. Potentially a loan player from the prem?

I hope ched does well and think he has the right attributes to do well in this side. I do remain to be convinced he's the same payer we saw 5 years ago though after such a long time out of the game.

 

[Ben_1982]

My comment was more along the lines of if we've dropped £500k on Evans. We are going to have to get a striker to oust Billy / Clark / Lavery. Which presumably won't be cheap. Potentially a loan player from the prem?

I hope ched does well and think he has the right attributes to do well in this side. I do remain to be convinced he's the same payer we saw 5 years ago though after such a long time out of the game.

We ain't "dropped 500k" on Ched tho have we

 

[Tezza1889]

The 500k comment might be the length of the three year contract, it's worth or if we get up a bonus, or stay up..

Which is nothing for what we might have on our hands...it's small beer pal in championship terms...on that.. I agree with pigs... it's a big division.. Evans can be the difference.. and he's one of our own, quite clearly....

He's another.... one of our own... I'm told £250k plus add one based on our success, it's really not worth wasting time on..

 

[coolhandluke]

I reckon we are currently 2 short assuming Evans , Brayford and O'Shea are all definitely with us next season ( 3 if the rumours of Carruthers are correct )

We need a good central defender which leaves us covered right across the back with Basham , Brayford and JOC who can cover LB and RB .

The other I'd like to see is a powerful attacking midfielder as direct competition for Duffy and O'SHEA . And one who can cover for Fleck or Coutts ....... This will be the most difficult to sign I reckon .

Pace/wingers/more defensive cover etc etc we can fill with loan signings just like this season .

 

[Harry's Game]

Don't rule out a season long loan or two of major young talent from a top Premier league club now we are in The Championship.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I reckon we are currently 2 short assuming Evans , Brayford and O'Shea are all definitely with us next season ( 3 if the rumours of Carruthers are correct )

We need a good central defender which leaves us covered right across the back with Basham , Brayford and JOC who can cover LB and RB .

The other I'd like to see is a powerful attacking midfielder as direct competition for Duffy and O'SHEA . And one who can cover for Fleck or Coutts ....... This will be the most difficult to sign I reckon .

Pace/wingers/more defensive cover etc etc we can fill with loan signings just like this season .

Agree on the loans suspect we may have access to a bigger talent pool now as we are in the league above. Some of the top sides have shown the will loan talented players out to get experience / their value up. Hopefully we can pick up a couple for a year

 

[Grizzly blade]

I'm hoping we can utilise one or two lads from the academy if needed.

But I suspect Lafferty and Freeman will be first choice full backs considering the season they had.
And bringing in players as back up is very difficult as players generally want to play.

So we need to try and find players who can fill one or two positions and give them multiple chances of playing.

We have Evans....and possibly one more seeing as we have two forwards leaving.
In defence, Brayford can cover two positions, and so with wright, Bash, JOC we perhaps have enough centre half cover already, with JOC able to cover at left back too. Maybe one more centre half if the lads in the academy aren't close.

Midfield...can't see past Fleck and Coutts as first choice....the third/fourth midfield options are where we might need more options. I expect OShea to accept and reckon Carruthers will stay. So I don't see any huge changes there...one addition to replace Chapman.

Forwards....still think we need pace and something different. But would like us to chuck most of our budget on a top striker.

 

[coolhandluke]

Agree on the loans suspect we may have access to a bigger talent pool now as we are in the league above. Some of the top sides have shown the will loan talent players out to get experience / their value up. Hopefully we can pick up a couple for a year

I agree .

CW has already shown that loans for a couple of months as ' gap fillers ' aren't the way he does business . And now with all and sundry seeing the kind of football Wilder likes to play I reckon we could see 1 or 2 game changing season long loans at the Lane .

I like the way Wilder deflected one of the RS teams questions about starting to plan for next season too . Wilder basically told him he was too busy celebrating to think of that . Wilders plans were finalised over a month ago imo . He knows exactly who he wants .

 

[ballyblade]

Don't rule out a season long loan or two of major young talent from a top Premier league club now we are in The Championship.

Could see Joe Riley coming back

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Sam Morsy. Heard it on RS last night from a bloke who was earwigging someone else's phone call.

Chapman could come back yet.

Centre half needed.

Other than that - ready for an assault on the summit!

 

[Ricky]

Posted this on the other thread but I'll put it on here too because it's so correct.

A lot of people seem to be underestimating how many players we'll want to bring in.

There will be...

At least one centre half whether Brayford stays or not
Left back/wing back
Central midfielder with athleticism and/or defensive ability
Central attacking midfielder - as well as O'Shea
Winger
Another striker along with Evans
Evans!

That's the bare minimum. Then also probable are...

A goalkeeper
Another winger if the central attacking midfielder can't also play wide
A right back/wing back if Brayford leaves and the new centre half and new central midfielder can't play there - but if we sign Riley (which I think is likely) then this one can be removed as he'd probably be the LWB in the above list


We're not just going to be looking at about 4 signings.

We're losing up to 7 from the first team squad now (before anyone like Long or Brayford leave) - mostly cover players, we'll want to replace them but we'll want to strengthen the starting 11 too - we have to. So 6 or 7 new signings is the absolute minimum.


Can't believe some people think we only need 2 or 3 signings - certainly if we want to do more than just survive.

 

[Gavlar]

Hate if you want, if Evans hits the ground running we will be in business.

Evans can be top scorer..in this team..

I know I'm possibly on my own, but he's as good as Deane when firing on all cylinders and in a good team..which we have... I'm not worried in the slightest..

If you can't tell..

I really hope youre right, but Brian Deane played and scored regularly in the premier league for most of his career and is a total blades legend. I really cant understand what evidence you have for Ched being as good aside from some goals in league 1 about years ago?

Again, i hope Ched does well,but bloody hell I cant understand this kind of hype.

 

[TheGoatPenguin]

Could see Joe Riley coming back

Can totally see this happening mate. Sure i read or heard Wilder say he'll have a look at bringing him back next season, just after he got injured. The lad is rated at Man Utd and sure they'll be more interested in a Championship move.

 

[JohnDenver]

Can totally see this happening mate. Sure i read or heard Wilder say he'll have a look at bringing him back next season, just after he got injured. The lad is rated at Man Utd and sure they'll be more interested in a Championship move.

Mourinho isn't a fan of promoting youth. Riley will surely be available for loan, but whether it's us or not is another question.

 

[Chief_Froley]

Posted this on the other thread but I'll put it on here too because it's so correct.

A lot of people seem to be underestimating how many players we'll want to bring in.

There will be...

At least one centre half whether Brayford stays or not
Left back/wing back
Central midfielder with athleticism and/or defensive ability
Central attacking midfielder - as well as O'Shea
Winger
Another striker along with Evans
Evans!

That's the bare minimum. Then also probable are...

A goalkeeper
Another winger if the central attacking midfielder can't also play wide
A right back/wing back if Brayford leaves and the new centre half and new central midfielder can't play there - but if we sign Riley (which I think is likely) then this one can be removed as he'd probably be the LWB in the above list


We're not just going to be looking at about 4 signings.

We're losing up to 7 from the first team squad now (before anyone like Long or Brayford leave) - mostly cover players, we'll want to replace them but we'll want to strengthen the starting 11 too - we have to. So 6 or 7 new signings is the absolute minimum.


Can't believe some people think we only need 2 or 3 signings - certainly if we want to do more than just survive.

I think if we're clever with who we go for then it can be done in 4 signings.

Marcus Maddison for instance can fill winger and attacking midfield as well as being able to fill in both front and at left wing back

Jason McCarthy would be handy as centre back and right wing back

Tom Adeyemi fills in the central midfielder with both defensive ability and athleticism (as well as an eye for goal which Coutts and Fleck have lacked)

Finally a pacy striker who can do a job on wing reinforces those positions (e.g. Nick Blackman on loan/Tammy Abraham on loan/Danny Ward)

Obviously I agree with you and I'm not saying we should only sign these 4 players and call it a day. Chris will be looking to bring players like this though who can fill multiple roles to increase his options on the most effective way possible.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I really hope youre right, but Brian Deane played and scored regularly in the premier league for most of his career and is a total blades legend. I really cant understand what evidence you have for Ched being as good aside from some goals in league 1 about years ago?

Again, i hope Ched does well,but bloody hell I cant understand this kind of hype.

I'll try to explain it.

First of all Ched could be a sensation or a flop. No one is denying that. We just don't know do we? No one knows.

But we've stumped up £150k to find out. Who on here has a problem with that? Come on - let's hear from you?

If you've got a problem with that then I really can't understand why?

It's peanuts at Championship level.

Ched has played in Europe for Man City - he did really well for Norwich in the Championship but was a slow starter for us at that level under suspect managers.

Under Wilson he was the best centre forward we've had since Dearden.

He wasn't just good - he was phenomenal.

Can a player at 29 be as good as he was 4 years ago? It's doubtful. But some players have their best years later on. Look at Vardy!

We just don't know but he is very motivated to play for us. He knows he owes us big time. And he'll bust a gut for us next season. For those reasons alone he has my vote.

 

[FriethBlade]

We definitely need two centre backs, JOC is good enough but it seems EEL has gone (although I wouldn't rule us out of signing him) and although Basham has done a good job there in division one, as has Wright, I'm not sure either are good enough for the championship.

We need a proper fast winger and a dynamic, goal scoring midfielder as although Coutts and Fleck have been great this season they haven't scored anywhere near enough goals.

Re Ched if his name was anything other than what it is we'd all be up in arms about his signing. The lad has only had one good season, scored just 7 goals this season and appears to be injury prone. Time will tell but if he scores 10 goals next season I will be amazed .

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Really,really happy with this. Getting rid of those no longer relevant early and I have absolutely no doubt Wilder has his wish list submitted. Already looking at a keeper. Got O'Shea and Ched.
Business will be done quickly and efficiently to ensure a good pre season.
The portents,like the manager are fucking brilliant.

 

[Ricky]

I think if we're clever with who we go for then it can be done in 4 signings.

Marcus Maddison for instance can fill winger and attacking midfield as well as being able to fill in both front and at left wing back

Jason McCarthy would be handy as centre back and right wing back

Tom Adeyemi fills in the central midfielder with both defensive ability and athleticism (as well as an eye for goal which Coutts and Fleck have lacked)

Finally a pacy striker who can do a job on wing reinforces those positions (e.g. Nick Blackman on loan/Tammy Abraham on loan/Danny Ward)

Obviously I agree with you and I'm not saying we should only sign these 4 players and call it a day. Chris will be looking to bring players like this though who can fill multiple roles to increase his options on the most effective way possible.

Good examples, and I'm sure Wilder will target players who are flexible.

But that discounts Ched as a signing and I also think we're very likely to sign a keeper, so that would take it to 6. On top of that I think we'd still be a bit light at the back and I think we'd want a more dedicated left wing back option.

A striker who can play wide might be ideal, and Ward and Blackman are good shouts, but I think Wilder might be more likely to go for a good big man, especially if Hanson moves on.

 

[Lawrence]

I can see a good 6 to 9 players coming in!

 

[S64 Blade]

My ideal/realistic in list would be;

Etheridge (free)
Ryan Bennett (free)
McCarthy (loan)
Amari'i Bell, or Joe Riley on loan
Morsy
Otzumer/Maddison
Sam Gallagher (loan)

Plus Ched and O'Shea already coming. Could maybe do with another winger/attacking mid.

 

[sheffielder]

Hate if you want, if Evans hits the ground running we will be in business.

Evans can be top scorer..in this team..

I know I'm possibly on my own, but he's as good as Deane when firing on all cylinders and in a good team..which we have... I'm not worried in the slightest..

If you can't tell..

I would like more information on whether he has been injured or not or just been working with our sports scientists for the last few months. I would have thought game time would have been better for him, so does anyone know the actual truth. I imagine cooperblade would be the closest to knowing from a sporting level.

 

[Blade56]

Where does the released list leave us?

With the retained list.


Just sayin

 

[Gavlar]

I'll try to explain it.

First of all Ched could be a sensation or a flop. No one is denying that. We just don't know do we? No one knows.

But we've stumped up £150k to find out. Who on here has a problem with that? Come on - let's hear from you?

If you've got a problem with that then I really can't understand why?

It's peanuts at Championship level.

Ched has played in Europe for Man City - he did really well for Norwich in the Championship but was a slow starter for us at that level under suspect managers.

Under Wilson he was the best centre forward we've had since Dearden.

He wasn't just good - he was phenomenal.

Can a player at 29 be as good as he was 4 years ago? It's doubtful. But some players have their best years later on. Look at Vardy!

We just don't know but he is very motivated to play for us. He knows he owes us big time. And he'll bust a gut for us next season. For those reasons alone he has my vote.

Thanks for trying. I agree that he is low risk if its £150K, I agree that he could be good. But the thing that worries me is the hype and statements like him being the "best since Dearden", (which i totally disagree with by the way). Playing for Man.City in europe is meaningless, did he come on as sub in a 1 game? He only scored 1 goal for Man City in his whole career. The Norwich goals were 10 years ago. His most recent tally was 7 in division 3.

Just out of interest, i would love to know why you think he was a better striker than Deane and Agana bearing in mind it was division 3 football he was playing, and Deane scored regularly for us in the premier league? Beatie scored loads for us in the championship also. Ched had one great season in div 3, the previous years in the championship before we went down he was crap, and could well be crap again.

Now please dont mishear me. He could be a very astute buy, and Wilder definitely has earnt my trust. But please, lets not build Ched up to be bigger than he is.

 

[cooperblade]

I would like more information on whether he has been injured or not or just been working with our sports scientists for the last few months. I would have thought game time would have been better for him, so does anyone know the actual truth. I imagine cooperblade would be the closest to knowing from a sporting level.

I don't know anything about it mate, I know who you're thinking of but he left before Ched signed.

There's someone at Chesterfield who a few on here will know who I've heard (second hand) was really impressed with Ched.

 

[davidblade]

I don't know anything about it mate, I know who you're thinking of but he left before Ched signed.

There's someone at Chesterfield who a few on here will know who I've heard (second hand) was really impressed with Ched.

I've heard on good authority that Ched has a misdiagnosed injury. He has been treated for an injury that he hasn't got and the problem that he has got hasn't been treated at all. He's quite pissed of with Chesterfield medical staff.
The real injury is not serious and will be fixed soon.