Awards keep coming....

[Rodders]

When we're talking of 100 points.. is that how many points United got this season or pommpey's Loyalty Points balance?

 

[Grizzly blade]

It is. However, you don't have anything to offer about the wonderful playing surface and its inability to work its magic on last years setup.

You still won't admit that it has less to do with the pitch and everything to do with one Christ Wilder, his team recruitment, selection, strategy and the fact that McCabe hasn't sold anyone so crucially vital that it would damage the momentum. No. To you, it's all about the pitch. Even the games we won away.

Incidentally, the pitch is clearly in view on every highlights package and live game I choose to view, at my leisure. This is anther matter you haven't quite worked out either, isn't it? You are the forum's Diane Abbot and I claim my £5.

pommpey

You still wittering on?
I thought KM sold 3 players? Or was that Mr Wilder?

It's very simple you know.
If we had a pitch like we had prior to the posh one....i.e. The one that was a boggy mess through winter, covered in sand with hardly any grass on it, then we would be playing on that surface half the time...or to put it another way 23 games.
Thankfully, there aren't that many shocking surfaces in league one, some because they too have a fancy desso, others because their drainage is good, some don't have huge stands blocking out the little sun we get in winter lay blah blah....so we haven't had to play on a crappy surface all that much.

So....if our current quality players had a surface like Oldham to play on every week (and we have in the past if you had noticed)....would they be able to produce the quality of football they have this season? Probably not given the display at Oldham. Would fatigue have more of an impact running on a heavy surface? Yes it would. Would injuries be more likely if the surface is uneven? Absolutely.

Would good footballers want to come and play on the beach? Or would they look elsewhere to show off their talents?

Last year had one huge factor affecting everyone's ability to play on the pitch....a fuckwit.
A fuckwit called Adkins, who had no clue tactically, no clue on recruitment and instead alienated and pissed off the few decent footballers it seems we had all along but very few noticed.
You just cannot accept that funding the pitch with the FA cup money was a sound decision rather than allowing the manager at the time blow the cash on another player incapable of reaching their potential due to the fuckwittery displayed by the manager.
That investment....which will pay for itself eventually BTW, has been a factor in this seasons success. A factor....not the only reason, the main reason but one of the many reasons. Just to avoid any twisting of comments to suit an agenda.

 

[Grizzly blade]

When we're talking of 100 points.. is that how many points United got this season or pommpey's Loyalty Points balance?

I don't think we would be looking much beyond Rotherhams points total in that case.

 

[pommpey]

You still wittering on?
I thought KM sold 3 players? Or was that Mr Wilder?

No. Do pay attention. I said 'that had any impact', much the same as the flogging of (say for example) Murphy, Macdonald, Lowton et al had on our on-field output. I can keep saying the same thing over, and over and over again if you want. It won't change the fact that they were sold and it fucked up our chances. The season just gone it didn't happen and we ran away with it. You can try to shoehorn the pitch into there somewhere, but the fact we won away kinda cancels both sides of the equation, doesn't it? Oh, and we did lose at home on the Desso, too.

It's very simple you know.
If we had a pitch like we had prior to the posh one....i.e. The one that was a boggy mess through winter, covered in sand with hardly any grass on it, then we would be playing on that surface half the time...or to put it another way 23 games.
Thankfully, there aren't that many shocking surfaces in league one, some because they too have a fancy desso, others because their drainage is good, some don't have huge stands blocking out the little sun we get in winter lay blah blah....so we haven't had to play on a crappy surface all that much.

Bolton have a Desso don't they? How did we get on there ... {checks} ... oh, we lost. Twice.

So....if our current quality players had a surface like Oldham to play on every week (and we have in the past if you had noticed)....would they be able to produce the quality of football they have this season? Probably not given the display at Oldham. Would fatigue have more of an impact running on a heavy surface? Yes it would. Would injuries be more likely if the surface is uneven? Absolutely.

Hmmm. Hate to keep 'wittering on' here but your 'absolutes' have no proof or data to back them up. The only injury from the Oldham match was Lavery was it not? And that was from a goalmouth scuffle, not down to the playing surface. Do you have any ITK background information on player's injuries at all?

Would good footballers want to come and play on the beach? Or would they look elsewhere to show off their talents?

Oh. I see. So Wilder's dealbreaker was ... the Desso. Not the chance to play under a manager who clearly knows his shit?

Last year had one huge factor affecting everyone's ability to play on the pitch....a fuckwit.
A fuckwit called Adkins, who had no clue tactically, no clue on recruitment and instead alienated and pissed off the few decent footballers it seems we had all along but very few noticed.

Last season we also had ... a Desso pitch. It must have been the dealbreaker for Adkins too to bring players like Woolford and Hammond in.

You just cannot accept that funding the pitch with the FA cup money was a sound decision rather than allowing the manager at the time blow the cash on another player incapable of reaching their potential due to the fuckwittery displayed by the manager.
That investment....which will pay for itself eventually BTW, has been a factor in this seasons success. A factor....not the only reason, the main reason but one of the many reasons. Just to avoid any twisting of comments to suit an agenda.

You mention 'it will pay for itself' and twisting comments to suit an agenda. This is rich coming from a quarter who can't put any palpable explanation forward as to why we were singularly shit on the same playing surface last season (so this season's fantastic success has nothing to do with the Desso) why we were successful away from home this season (because Wilder knows his shit and the players are playing for the badge) and lastly, what the bleeding financial haemorrhage exactly was in dozens of lost games causing an unbelievable fixture pile up come April year upon year which cost the club so much in our league status. Sure, it must be fuck ace to play on and we have been brilliant this year. Can you honestly tell me, looking at the performances away from home alone that we would be five points less this season if we didn't have the Desso?

It's great to have, no doubt, but lets not kid ourselves what it cost, FA Cup money ... Murphy ... smashed the piggy bank or whatever it was or wasn't.

pommpey

 

[Grizzly blade]

No. Do pay attention. I said 'that had any impact', much the same as the flogging of (say for example) Murphy, Macdonald, Lowton et al had on our on-field output. I can keep saying the same thing over, and over and over again if you want. It won't change the fact that they were sold and it fucked up our chances. The season just gone it didn't happen and we ran away with it. You can try to shoehorn the pitch into there somewhere, but the fact we won away kinda cancels both sides of the equation, doesn't it? Oh, and we did lose at home on the Desso, too.



Bolton have a Desso don't they? How did we get on there ... {checks} ... oh, we lost. Twice.



Hmmm. Hate to keep 'wittering on' here but your 'absolutes' have no proof or data to back them up. The only injury from the Oldham match was Lavery was it not? And that was from a goalmouth scuffle, not down to the playing surface. Do you have any ITK background information on player's injuries at all?



Oh. I see. So Wilder's dealbreaker was ... the Desso. Not the chance to play under a manager who clearly knows his shit?



Last season we also had ... a Desso pitch. It must have been the dealbreaker for Adkins too to bring players like Woolford and Hammond in.



You mention 'it will pay for itself' and twisting comments to suit an agenda. This is rich coming from a quarter who can't put any palpable explanation forward as to why we were singularly shit on the same playing surface last season (so this season's fantastic success has nothing to do with the Desso) why we were successful away from home this season (because Wilder knows his shit and the players are playing for the badge) and lastly, what the bleeding financial haemorrhage exactly was in dozens of lost games causing an unbelievable fixture pile up come April year upon year which cost the club so much in our league status. Sure, it must be fuck ace to play on and we have been brilliant this year. Can you honestly tell me, looking at the performances away from home alone that we would be five points less this season if we didn't have the Desso?

It's great to have, no doubt, but lets not kid ourselves what it cost, FA Cup money ... Murphy ... smashed the piggy bank or whatever it was or wasn't.

pommpey

1. How do you know how the sales would have faired? Adams? DCL...Ramsdale? All gone to higher levels than us, at good fees too. On the one hand you hammer him for selling then ignore sales of players for big fees to other clubs higher than us. Why do they have to have had any impact to matter. They must be as good or better than what we have by the very fact they have gone up the ladder.
And the fa cup run paid for the desso BTW.

2. Bolton....first game of the season when as you won't have seen we were still getting to grips...played ok and lost. That side that day was a bit different was it not. Away in the cup...much changed side, didn't deserve to lose.
So that's bollocks.

3. You must lack common sense and reasoning in that brain.
If a pitch is covered in sand....will it be heavier to run on? If the surface is uneven, would a player be more or less likely to tweak an ankle ligament while running at full tilt? If you need an answer, ask someone who has played football at any level.
As for insider info I will mention some experience...I have a son who is at an academy going into U/18 football. His head coach is an ex pro, and has managed at league football. He often discusses the surface as part of his pre game plans....I wonder if he's a visionary or if this is commonplace??

4. How many points did we get an Oldham this season? If that was our home pitch, would we knock the ball about like we do at home? Simple question....again I know the common sense and logical answer from a spectator of those games would be..."No" but you can say yes if it suits your agenda, and because admitting you are talking bollocks is impossible for you particularly.
We won away...yes we did, you noticed well done. Were all those away surfaces poor? Or did you ignore the point made about some pitches being ok....while ours was ALWAYS considered poor by us and our opponents in the past.

5. Again, as mentioned, you ignore the point about the pitch being a factor, and less surprisingly choose to mention again that last seasons players couldn't play on it. Fact is...they couldn't play! I believe I described a certain fuckwit in the equation which must have gone over your head.


It's very simple. You want it to be harder.
The club states that the pitch pays for itself, and as all companies this is crucial when investing monies on such things....it's like new stands...improving the superstore, changing the platinum suite, the bars...all costed and projected properly to justify the initial outlay. If you seriously think that KM will operate in a haphazard and amateurish way when it comes to business you are a bigger fool than you are trying to portray.

So...answer this. If we had Oldhams pitch....like we often have....would our players like Fleck, Coutts, Duffy etc be able to pass the ball and play the football that some of our fans have seen at the lane this season? Would there have been any point bringing those players here in the first place? Because many many fans who go to the lane have commented how the football has been some of the best in generations. And say what you like, but Warnocks big tactic against good teams was to train on the pitch to make it worse....to slow teams down and give us a chance.
Or would we have brought cloggers and hoof merchants instead? I would think our current manager would have adjusted his plans, recruitment and tactics accordingly to play on such a pitch.
Now I could keep repeating these reasoned explanations, however it is becoming very tedious.

It cost a million pounds, a million. No need to kid anyone....it cost a million pounds. Half a Murphy....half a Maguire....half an Adams...a whole Ramsdale and a whole DCL....but a lot more than a Macdonald, about 3 of him. Or a half a 6 round cup run cumlinating in a semi final at Wembley with 40k blades in attendance!

 

[Rodders]

Lets say we didn't have the Desso and spent the cash on some defenders, then got promotion with Adkins in charge.

We'd have to spend the bus parade listening to "synergies", "pathways", "streams" and "#unitedtogether". Ugh. Give me Desso and lobbing shoes on doorways any day.

 

[B.Lade]

1. How do you know how the sales would have faired? Adams? DCL...Ramsdale? All gone to higher levels than us, at good fees too. On the one hand you hammer him for selling then ignore sales of players for big fees to other clubs higher than us. Why do they have to have had any impact to matter. They must be as good or better than what we have by the very fact they have gone up the ladder.
And the fa cup run paid for the desso BTW.

2. Bolton....first game of the season when as you won't have seen we were still getting to grips...played ok and lost. That side that day was a bit different was it not. Away in the cup...much changed side, didn't deserve to lose.
So that's bollocks.

3. You must lack common sense and reasoning in that brain.
If a pitch is covered in sand....will it be heavier to run on? If the surface is uneven, would a player be more or less likely to tweak an ankle ligament while running at full tilt? If you need an answer, ask someone who has played football at any level.
As for insider info I will mention some experience...I have a son who is at an academy going into U/18 football. His head coach is an ex pro, and has managed at league football. He often discusses the surface as part of his pre game plans....I wonder if he's a visionary or if this is commonplace??

4. How many points did we get an Oldham this season? If that was our home pitch, would we knock the ball about like we do at home? Simple question....again I know the common sense and logical answer from a spectator of those games would be..."No" but you can say yes if it suits your agenda, and because admitting you are talking bollocks is impossible for you particularly.
We won away...yes we did, you noticed well done. Were all those away surfaces poor? Or did you ignore the point made about some pitches being ok....while ours was ALWAYS considered poor by us and our opponents in the past.

5. Again, as mentioned, you ignore the point about the pitch being a factor, and less surprisingly choose to mention again that last seasons players couldn't play on it. Fact is...they couldn't play! I believe I described a certain fuckwit in the equation which must have gone over your head.


It's very simple. You want it to be harder.
The club states that the pitch pays for itself, and as all companies this is crucial when investing monies on such things....it's like new stands...improving the superstore, changing the platinum suite, the bars...all costed and projected properly to justify the initial outlay. If you seriously think that KM will operate in a haphazard and amateurish way when it comes to business you are a bigger fool than you are trying to portray.

So...answer this. If we had Oldhams pitch....like we often have....would our players like Fleck, Coutts, Duffy etc be able to pass the ball and play the football that some of our fans have seen at the lane this season? Would there have been any point bringing those players here in the first place? Because many many fans who go to the lane have commented how the football has been some of the best in generations. And say what you like, but Warnocks big tactic against good teams was to train on the pitch to make it worse....to slow teams down and give us a chance.
Or would we have brought cloggers and hoof merchants instead? I would think our current manager would have adjusted his plans, recruitment and tactics accordingly to play on such a pitch.
Now I could keep repeating these reasoned explanations, however it is becoming very tedious.

It cost a million pounds, a million. No need to kid anyone....it cost a million pounds. Half a Murphy....half a Maguire....half an Adams...a whole Ramsdale and a whole DCL....but a lot more than a Macdonald, about 3 of him. Or a half a 6 round cup run cumlinating in a semi final at Wembley with 40k blades in attendance!

Grizzly, you're ignoring the important part here. Pommpey is a WUM. No matter how reasoned and valid your arguments he will just carry on sitting behind his keyboard spouting Desso vitriol...

 

[pommpey]

1. How do you know how the sales would have faired? Adams? DCL...Ramsdale? All gone to higher levels than us, at good fees too. On the one hand you hammer him for selling then ignore sales of players for big fees to other clubs higher than us. Why do they have to have had any impact to matter. They must be as good or better than what we have by the very fact they have gone up the ladder.

The fact that they went and we failed just sails over your head, doesn't it? All sorts of excuses, 'Murphy paid for wages', 'we couldn't stop them' is just fine and dandy. Why do they have to have had any impact to matter? Because it matters. It matters on our end of season position, playing surface or not. Just like last season, in fact.

And the fa cup run paid for the desso BTW.

Instead of players. And or position last season tells you exactly that.

2. Bolton....first game of the season when as you won't have seen we were still getting to grips...played ok and lost. That side that day was a bit different was it not. Away in the cup...much changed side, didn't deserve to lose.
So that's bollocks.

Still played on a Desso, which to you is the paradigm shift in our fortunes. It clearly isn't.

3. You must lack common sense and reasoning in that brain.
If a pitch is covered in sand....will it be heavier to run on? If the surface is uneven, would a player be more or less likely to tweak an ankle ligament while running at full tilt? If you need an answer, ask someone who has played football at any level.
As for insider info I will mention some experience...I have a son who is at an academy going into U/18 football. His head coach is an ex pro, and has managed at league football. He often discusses the surface as part of his pre game plans....I wonder if he's a visionary or if this is commonplace??

There's no lack of reasoning. Aside from you dragging this into another realm, what injuries at Sheffield United this season have been attributed to shit playing surfaces? Careful now, because as far as I can see (and as people point out, I don't go to any games so I might be wrong) we played - and beat (without much treatment table penalty) teams like (off the top of me head) Shrewsbury, Chesterfield, Wimbledon, Bury, Southend, Peterborough, Port Vale ... all teams who don't sport billiard table surfaces. Do I lack common sense or reasoning to point that out, or do you have another explanation for this? Might be an idea to discuss it with your lad's coach, maybe?

4. How many points did we get an Oldham this season? If that was our home pitch, would we knock the ball about like we do at home? Simple question....again I know the common sense and logical answer from a spectator of those games would be..."No" but you can say yes if it suits your agenda, and because admitting you are talking bollocks is impossible for you particularly.
We won away...yes we did, you noticed well done. Were all those away surfaces poor? Or did you ignore the point made about some pitches being ok....while ours was ALWAYS considered poor by us and our opponents in the past.

Big deal. We didn't have huge amounts of games cancelled, it would have mattered not one jot if we'd have continued to play on it. The Desso was a folly, it cost us, and now you're trying to big it up like it was McCabe's best ever purchase. Wilder was McCabe's best ever purchase, not the pitch. This season says so.

5. Again, as mentioned, you ignore the point about the pitch being a factor, and less surprisingly choose to mention again that last seasons players couldn't play on it. Fact is...they couldn't play! I believe I described a certain fuckwit in the equation which must have gone over your head.

Really? Sharp seems to have had a good season. Basham and Freeman also. Coutts has been a revelation, considering he was brought here before Adkins and has produced not much to shout about even on the Desso last season. What is your point?

It's very simple. You want it to be harder.
The club states that the pitch pays for itself, and as all companies this is crucial when investing monies on such things....it's like new stands...improving the superstore, changing the platinum suite, the bars...all costed and projected properly to justify the initial outlay. If you seriously think that KM will operate in a haphazard and amateurish way when it comes to business you are a bigger fool than you are trying to portray.

Hang on. You are trying to allude I am a fool when in the same sentence suggesting McCabe is some sort of visionary business legend. You been in a coma for the past ten years? Did we get relegated from the PL, you fell asleep and suddenly we are beating Chesterfield 3-2 last Saturday?

So...answer this. If we had Oldhams pitch....like we often have....would our players like Fleck, Coutts, Duffy etc be able to pass the ball and play the football that some of our fans have seen at the lane this season?

We didn't have Oldham's pitch, feller. Far from it. Yeah, it was a bit ragged in the corners, down by the kop/South Stand it has had better days. But Fleck, Coutts and Duffy managed to pass it about on the pitches mentioned above, and successfully involved their on field skills in some convincing wins. Oldham away was a test, but not every away pitch is going to be favourable. Really (as with the Bolton game) we should have won that game, but we didn't. The vestigial evidence you attach to it is refutable even with the basic concept that we have won away on shit pitches even without Wilder, even without the players we currently have (we've drawn the previous two meetings at Boundary Park and won the one before that)

Would there have been any point bringing those players here in the first place?

Again, are you suggesting 'we've got a Desso' is a dealbreaker? Because if it is, let's get our arses across to some of the Championship and PL clubs who don't have Desso's and start tempting players away on the promise they'll play on a world class surface for half the season.

Because many many fans who go to the lane have commented how the football has been some of the best in generations.

And no one is disputing that.

And say what you like, but Warnocks big tactic against good teams was to train on the pitch to make it worse....to slow teams down and give us a chance.
Or would we have brought cloggers and hoof merchants instead? I would think our current manager would have adjusted his plans, recruitment and tactics accordingly to play on such a pitch.
Now I could keep repeating these reasoned explanations, however it is becoming very tedious.

But your 'explanations' are rattly and empty. You are suggesting we have nimble footed wizards, who by all accounts are best suited to the verdant carpet down at S2. Clearly that's not true, is it? Clearly Wilder's men can play on any surface, and win. And they have. He is the difference, not some grandstanding about the fucking Desso which although nice to play on and award-winning, is not the essential ingredient. By the way. We did lose this season on the wonderful Desso.

It cost a million pounds, a million. No need to kid anyone....it cost a million pounds. Half a Murphy....half a Maguire....half an Adams...a whole Ramsdale and a whole DCL....but a lot more than a Macdonald, about 3 of him. Or a half a 6 round cup run cumlinating in a semi final at Wembley with 40k blades in attendance!

Your point is what? Prior to this season we have spunked £8m on fuck all and all we have left is a decent playing surface? Maybe I am making headway here.

Maybe not. I thank you however for not pressing the 'how many games have you been to?' default button.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Grizzly, you're ignoring the important part here. Pommpey is a WUM. No matter how reasoned and valid your arguments he will just carry on sitting behind his keyboard spouting Desso vitriol...

And you have explanations for the questions I have put? Nah. You haven't, have you?

Keep clapping the pitch.

pommpey

 

[MobileBlade]

And you have explanations for the questions I have put? Nah. You haven't, have you?

Keep clapping the pitch.

pommpey

I suppose he could argue that he has contributed towards the pitch so is allowed to clap it if he wishes. He could also argue that as you have not contributed anything towards it, you should not criticise it or the decision to lay it.

 

[pommpey]

I suppose he could argue that he has contributed towards the pitch so is allowed to clap it if he wishes. He could also argue that as you have not contributed anything towards it, you should not criticise it or the decision to lay it.

Yay. Mobile Blade's only stock answer retort.

Do you have any explanations, or are you still upset that someone who doesn't (or more correctly 'can't', but what does that matter?) go to games is commenting in a negative manner and answering his critics about the pitch?

pommpey

 

[B.Lade]

And you have explanations for the questions I have put? Nah. You haven't, have you?


pommpey

#wum #keyboardwarrior

 

[pommpey]

#wum #keyboardwarrior

#no idea#clueless zzzzzzz

pommpey

 

[MobileBlade]

Yay. Mobile Blade's only stock answer retort.

Do you have any explanations, or are you still upset that someone who doesn't (or more correctly 'can't', but what does that matter?) go to games is commenting in a negative manner and answering his critics about the pitch?

pommpey

Actually, I think you will find that I have never said that. I was just pointing out his argument. Although I do find criticism of a performance based on a 56 second You Tube video somewhat perplexing.

Just as a postscript, you never answered the question about how many loyalty points you have. Given they have been in place over 10 years, how many do you have?

 

[coolhandluke]

It's a very silly debate this .

Is the Desso the reason we won the League ? Of course it isn't .

Has the Desso helped us win the League ? Just like so many other things , of course it has .

End of debate .

 

[B.Lade]

#no idea#clueless zzzzzzz

pommpey

Oh pommpey. You do need to relax a bit. Find something nice and soft to lie back on. A desso for example.

 

[pommpey]

Just as a postscript, you never answered the question about how many loyalty points you have. Given they have been in place over 10 years, how many do you have?

I don't really know, to be honest Mobile. Is it relevant? I mean, how many do you have? Can I borrow some? It obviously counts as to how right you are about things and if you chose to ignore explaining stuff.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Oh pommpey. You do need to relax a bit. Find something nice and soft to lie back on. A desso for example.

Oh, B.Lade. You need to stop trying to muscle in on debates, unless you have something to contribute. Here, have some real grass to chew on ...

pommpey

 

[Grizzly blade]

pommpey
As I said before....tedious.

I have explained reasoned answers, you yet again pick out snippets and come back with more shite while ignoring simple questions. It's like platting fog.

So will try again.
Does sand all over a football pitch make it
a) Easier to play on
b) Harder to play on
c) The same
d) I don't know

Does an uneven playing surface make it....
a) More likely to cause an injury
b) Less likely to cause an injury
c) No difference to risk of injury
d) I don't know.

When other teams have come to the lane and played well, is it because...
a) the playing surface is perfect and allows them to play well
b) they raise their game against the big boys
c) a & b
d) I don't know

Kell Brook fight. How much is that bringing into the club? Could that have been held if we were digging up the pitch again as we did every friggin summer?
How much does a full renovation of the playing surface cost every summer?

If it takes 10 years, 20 years to get the initial outlay back in savings then what is the problem? Yes, we could have offered the money to Murphy to stay down in league one....or maybe let Madkins spend it on more of his shit ex players....but none of those would have made any difference to the club. It would have been another million lost on top of the already lost millions.
So I won't even bother raising questions about whether it would have been a good idea to trust a fuckwit to spend the million pounds on players, or whether the pitch eventually left to Wilder and his team would be a wiser choice. Of course you also choose to ignore that the point about Km was relating to business decisions, not his football ones.
This being a man who is a self made millionaire and very successful businessman. If you think that he, his board and all those other successful businessman spunked a million quid on the pitch without costing it and having a sound business model then there is no hope for you.
You just continue in your own blinkered and misinformed take on how the real world works.

I don't like to just say someone is wrong...but you are. You can't give any evidence or reason for your view, other than your one man crusade to rid Km from the club you claim to support. Though I'm unsure what your definition of support is compared to everyone else's.

 

[Grizzly blade]

We used to have similar debates about the academy......the narrow minded fools would harp on about here and now....wasted money that should be spent on first team....how wrong they were.

It's a lack of foresight and a problem some people can't deal with.

 

[MobileBlade]

I don't really know, to be honest Mobile. Is it relevant? I mean, how many do you have? Can I borrow some? It obviously counts as to how right you are about things and if you chose to ignore explaining stuff.

pommpey

Go on. Have a log on and see. Last time I checked it was just over 30,000 - I checked so I knew when to buy a ticket for the MK Dons game. Gonna miss a few games in September actually so if you want to borrow any to actually go to a game, let me know. You will need to pay though.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

I don't really know, to be honest Mobile. Is it relevant? I mean, how many do you have? Can I borrow some? It obviously counts as to how right you are about things and if you chose to ignore explaining stuff.

pommpey

Why would you need to borrow loyalty points?

 

[B.Lade]

Oh, B.Lade. You need to stop trying to muscle in on debates, unless you have something to contribute. Here, have some real grass to chew on ...

pommpey

OK. In all seriousness. It's simple. It's easier to pass the ball on a better surface. You say you can't go for whatever reason, fine. But pre-Desso our pitch was in truly shocking conditions at times, TV doesn't always do justice to how bad a pitch is. Spending the money from a successful cup run means we have the legacy of a good playing surface going forward. Player sales would happen anyway, we were a league 1 side in case you hadn't noticed. If you genuinely can't see it's a good thing then I can only conclude you have a massive chip on your shoulder, either that or you're a troll. I'll leave you to have your last word.

 

[pommpey]

Does sand all over a football pitch make it
Does an uneven playing surface make it

How have we managed with these surfaces off the Desso? It's the question you pitch-clappers fail ... every single time ... to answer. Explain our away form and the (apparent destructive effect opposition pitches has had on our injury list. See? Empty. No explanation. You can't, because there is none.

When other teams have come to the lane and played well, is it because...

What? Like Southend? They beat us at the Lane, did they not? They must have found it a nightmare. United certainly did.

Kell Brook fight. How much is that bringing into the club? Could that have been held if we were digging up the pitch again as we did every friggin summer?

I don't know. Do you? Will that be put into 'the club' or 'the football club'? Will it result in two or three first team signings this season coming to strengthen our hopes to remain in the Championship and punch our weight? I mean, we were talking circuses at one stage weren't we? Are you suggesting SUFC will see anything from the gate revenue? I'm asking you, because obviously you have the figures right there.

How much does a full renovation of the playing surface cost every summer?

I don't know, but you obviously do. Was it completely relaid every season? You have proof of that?

If it takes 10 years, 20 years to get the initial outlay back in savings then what is the problem? Yes, we could have offered the money to Murphy to stay down in league one....or maybe let Madkins spend it on more of his shit ex players....but none of those would have made any difference to the club.

Imagine if we would have hung onto Murphy (our previous season's top scorer) and not signed Woolford (Murphy's luminary replacement with one goal out of 20-odd appearances)

It would have been another million lost on top of the already lost millions.
So I won't even bother raising questions about whether it would have been a good idea to trust a fuckwit to spend the million pounds on players, or whether the pitch eventually left to Wilder and his team would be a wiser choice. Of course you also choose to ignore that the point about Km was relating to business decisions, not his football ones.
This being a man who is a self made millionaire and very successful businessman. If you think that he, his board and all those other successful businessman spunked a million quid on the pitch without costing it and having a sound business model then there is no hope for you.
You just continue in your own blinkered and misinformed take on how the real world works.

This is the 'real world' in League One for six seasons, readers. You sound like McCabe actually planned a shit season under Adkins and it was all in his gift to get Wilder in at the second helping and the rest was serendipity. Like I say, you are conveniently missing out a whole shitload of detail from the last 120 months.

I don't like to just say someone is wrong...but you are. You can't give any evidence or reason for your view, other than your one man crusade to rid Km from the club you claim to support. Though I'm unsure what your definition of support is compared to everyone else's.

You see, I struggle to remember if and when I have said 'McCabe Out' with any greta conviction, so forgive me, but you are indeed wrong. As much as you like to defend the indefensible, he has been pretty fucking woeful and presided over a particularly disastrous period for this club, stemming right back to when we suddenly lost our striker in the PL and had no real plan B in place. All after that was downhill and up to around October, its been much of the same. But you don't remember that. That's okay, but please don't expect everyone to have the same convenient lack of perspective because you're feeling all happy we've finally made it. It is in spite of McCabe and the Desso, not because of it. I support this team and am disappointed we have underachieved for some ten years but for you, the definition of support is to clap a pitch, even if we lose on it (like we did last year on too many occasions. If I am wrong and you are right about that, good luck to you. For your information ... so you understand ... I don't want McCabe out.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Why would you need to borrow loyalty points?

Fucking hell.

pommpey

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Fucking hell.

pommpey

Unable to answer the question are we?

 

[pommpey]

We used to have similar debates about the academy......the narrow minded fools would harp on about here and now....wasted money that should be spent on first team....how wrong they were.

Yeah. Because the academy is a real moneyspinner. Its what keeps the club above water and pays for itself. I'd rather have a squad of 15-16 year olds than league-ready capables winning the full time game out there on the park.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Unable to answer the question are we?

No. It's your mentality which leaves me questioning.

pommpey

 

[pommpey]

Go on. Have a log on and see. Last time I checked it was just over 30,000 - I checked so I knew when to buy a ticket for the MK Dons game. Gonna miss a few games in September actually so if you want to borrow any to actually go to a game, let me know. You will need to pay though.

Aw cheers. And if I go to games, will it entitle me to voice my opinion on here and gain acceptance from the likes of you? Please answer. It is important to me you see.

pommpey

 

[Tunstall Fred]

No. It's your mentality which leaves me questioning.

pommpey

It appears you are having great difficulty answering the question