A yank who would appreciate some SUFC culture- and general football schooling

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HodgysBrokenThumb said:
You did ask! Read this forum, and you will begin to understand quite a bit. The history is important, along with the tradition, the camaraderie, and self-deprecating humour in the face of repeated failure. Is your chef a committed fan? Or a part-timer? How important are United in his life? If he is committed, read the threads after matches - win and everyone is on a high, lose and it is the end of the world. Football determines mood very strongly.
Football has traditionally been tribal. We hate Wednesday because they think they are Sheffield. We hate Leeds, because they think they are Yorkshire. We hate ManU because they think they are England. Because we are a friendly, local club, we hate all these others. I can't get my head round that contradiction, but isn't that what novelists do?
You will have problems with language. Write it in Sheffield football speak, and American readers will struggle. Write it in American English, and you will get lots of stick here. By all means make your chef look and sound like Sean Bean, but come up with a better plot than When Saturday Comes.
Keep asking questions. We never tire of talking about our favourite subject.
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Think this might be your man.

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Wow! Just . . . wow!!! A girl goes to sleep in the Eastern time zone for eight-ish hours and wakes up to four pages of responses and a couple of private messages.

Let me just say this first: I've joined sheffieldforum.co.uk and two Sheffield-centric FB groups. EVERYONE'S willingness to help has been mind-blowing, especially given the state of things politically in this country and the perception of Americans by the outside world. All I ask is that you please don't lump me with that lot. I am very much my own person. I don't just march to the beat of my own drum. I march to the beat of my own ORCHESTRA!!

That said, thanks for the welcome. You know how to make a 40-year old chick feel warm and fuzzy first thing in the morning.

As for characterization of this guy: If it helps to know this, I come from a working-class, hardscrabble background myself. I've worked since I was 13. And though my character lives a more comfortable life financially now, he's never forgotten his roots. It's why, despite his culinary chops, he refuses to do haute cuisine and believes you can have good food that satisfies at a reasonable price. So I promise not to characterize him as the villain or some story that's egregiously pro-American. He's a bit walking wounded, though, because of something that happened ten years prior to the story's beginning. Something that bonds him with my primary protagonist, despite their difference in background.

To the guy who asked if I have a boyfriend. Yes, I do. Been married to him nearly 18 years now. Guy deserves a frickin' Nobel.

Film rights? Guys, I've only just finished the rough draft of the first chapter. But as I'm the sort who digs my heels in, especially when it comes to my art, I'm willing to take a financial hit in the end if it means things get represented accurately. I'm also content to just let the thing remain in book form only, with no film adaptation, if what I want isn't possible.

And why a chef from Sheffield who's a Blades fan -- closely guarded secret. Gonna keep it that way as long as I can!

Yeah, I'm stubborn like that.

You've no idea how much I'd love to get over and take in the city and a match at Bramall Lane (and, yes, I pronounce it right). It's just not in the financial cards at the moment. But, maybe it will be one of these days. And, honestly, I'm not a beer drinker. At least, I've yet to find a beer/lager over here that I like. Maybe they're different where you are. Over here, they just all taste like, well, the way I imagine urine would taste.

Sean Bean is a first-rate actor. I was absolutely gutted when they canceled his series "Legends" over here. Still am!

Yeah, some Brit-isms and humor get a little fuzzy in translation. I'll figure it out eventually. That's what Google's for, right?

I assure those of you who may be casting a wary eye in my direction, my intentions are nothing but pure. I don't have time or energy or patience for pretense or to go about denigrating another's culture.

Now, gotta go get some food for the felines. They're giving me the stink-eye hardcore!
 
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Jennifer said:
Wow! Just . . . wow!!! A girl goes to sleep in the Eastern time zone for eight-ish hours and wakes up to four pages of responses and a couple of private messages.

That said, thanks for the welcome. You know how to make a 40-year old chick feel warm and fuzzy first thing in the morning!
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Not sure.
'As it got owt to do wi' a rimshot?
 

Jennifer said:
Wow! Just . . . wow!!! A girl goes to sleep in the Eastern time zone for eight-ish hours and wakes up to four pages of responses and a couple of private messages.

Let me just say this first: I've joined sheffieldforum.co.uk and two Sheffield-centric FB groups. EVERYONE'S willingness to help has been mind-blowing, especially given the state of things politically in this country and the perception of Americans by the outside world. All I ask is that you please don't lump me with that lot. I am very much my own person. I don't just march to the beat of my own drum. I march to the beat of my own ORCHESTRA!!

That said, thanks for the welcome. You know how to make a 40-year old chick feel warm and fuzzy first thing in the morning.

As for characterization of this guy: If it helps to know this, I come from a working-class, hardscrabble background myself. I've worked since I was 13. And though my character lives a more comfortable life financially now, he's never forgotten his roots. It's why, despite his culinary chops, he refuses to do haute cuisine and believes you can have good food that satisfies at a reasonable price. So I promise not to characterize him as the villain or some story that's egregiously pro-American. He's a bit walking wounded, though, because of something that happened ten years prior to the story's beginning. Something that bonds him with my primary protagonist, despite their difference in background.

To the guy who asked if I have a boyfriend. Yes, I do. Been married to him nearly 18 years now. Guy deserves a frickin' Nobel.

Film rights? Guys, I've only just finished the rough draft of the first chapter. But as I'm the sort who digs my heels in, especially when it comes to my art, I'm willing to take a financial hit in the end if it means things get represented accurately. I'm also content to just let the thing remain in book form only, with no film adaptation, if what I want isn't possible.

And why a chef from Sheffield who's a Blades fan -- closely guarded secret. Gonna keep it that way as long as I can!

Yeah, I'm stubborn like that.

You've no idea how much I'd love to get over and take in the city and a match at Bramall Lane (and, yes, I pronounce it right). It's just not in the financial cards at the moment. But, maybe it will be one of these days. And, honestly, I'm not a beer drinker. At least, I've yet to find a beer/lager over here that I like. Maybe they're different where you are. Over here, they just all taste like, well, the way I imagine urine would taste.

Sean Bean is a first-rate actor. I was absolutely gutted when they canceled his series "Legends" over here. Still am!

Yeah, some Brit-isms and humor get a little fuzzy in translation. I'll figure it out eventually. That's what Google's for, right?

I assure those of you who may be casting a wary eye in my direction, my intentions are nothing but pure. I don't have time or energy or patience for pretense or to go about denigrating another's culture.

Now, gotta go get some food for the felines. They're giving me the stink-eye hardcore!
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You made the chef say bastard yet? If not then I don't think we can be friends anymore.
 
Kenilworth said:
At a guess, you've shagged one. ....and you miss it like a bastard!
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Nope. Can't say that I have. Sorry!

Kenilworth said:
Good luck with the book, by the way :)
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And thank you. I'm gonna need it. A few things that slow me down are the fact that I work a day job (approx. 30 hrs/week), and I have responsibilities that come with being a wife and mom. The other is the fact that I have epilepsy, and have since I was 11. My seizures are extremely minor and only happen about once every thirty days. But in the 2 weeks or so that follow, my creativity is in the crapper. Which is why I'm doing all this research and background stuff right now. Do something while I'm doing nothing, right?

TonyAgana said:
The key is authenticity. Most of us were turned off by When Saturday Comes because they got the 51 bus route wrong. Run anything and everything by us and you'll not go wrong :D
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I shall, Tony. My guy is an ex-pat, though, who's lived in my neck of the woods for about twenty years. So, there's going to be some assimilation of American idioms and other stuff. But I definitely want to do justice to his background, work ethic, football fandom, and the like. I hate it when Southerners in the US are portrayed in film or in print as ignorant trashy types prone to substance abuse and/or domestic violence with overly dramatic lives. We're not ALL that way. A good lot of us are well-educated, literate, informed people who don't take crap from anyone and try to avoid drama whenever possible. Life's hard enough without going around creating it for yourself.
 
Despite the Microsoft introducing it in icon form, no-one over here would ever say 'trash'. It's 'rubbish'.

'garbage' could be used, but not to describe actual garbage. For instance, Dean Hammond could be widely described as 'fcking garbage'. But you'd never throw your Dean Hammond pannini sticker in the garbage, it'd be thrown in the 'bin'.

Oh and as for beer, I've lived across the UK and spent a lot of time in the States and Europe. Sheffield ale is the absolute dogs bollocks (very good) compared to everywhere I've been. A cut above. Different gravy.
 
seanbeenstattoo said:
So so unbelievably predictable.
Someone posts as a female,maybe is maybe isn't,dosen't matter and every man and his dog comes slavering all over the thread rutting and posturing in testosterone fuelled efforts to impress.
Absolute classic.
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That's just trash talk :cool:

Bollox, Sean - Same happened with NYkr - thread filled up quickly with all sorts of help / opinion and piss take.
 
seanbeenstattoo said:
So so unbelievably predictable.
Someone posts as a female,maybe is maybe isn't,dosen't matter and every man and his dog comes slavering all over the thread rutting and posturing in testosterone fuelled efforts to impress.
Absolute classic.
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So so unbelievably predictable.

Some hot-up-for-it Yank bird comes on here and all the dull old farts whon have run out of viagra get jealous.
 
FlamingLip said:
book title suggestion - 'Different Gravy'.

Sincerely hope this ain't porn....
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I promise you it's not. Haven't the stomach for that.

seanbeenstattoo said:
So so unbelievably predictable.
Someone posts as a female,maybe is maybe isn't,dosen't matter and every man and his dog comes slavering all over the thread rutting and posturing in testosterone fuelled efforts to impress.
Absolute classic.
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Not the first time. But I am not offended. BTW, your handle . . . Are you a member of the LOTR cast as well, or just 100% Blade lol?
 
FlamingLip said:
Despite the Microsoft introducing it in icon form, no-one over here would ever say 'trash'. It's 'rubbish'.

'garbage' could be used, but not to describe actual garbage. For instance, Dean Hammond could be widely described as 'fcking garbage'. But you'd never throw your Dean Hammond pannini sticker in the garbage, it'd be thrown in the 'bin'.

Oh and as for beer, I've lived across the UK and spent a lot of time in the States and Europe. Sheffield ale is the absolute dogs bollocks (very good) compared to everywhere I've been. A cut above. Different gravy.
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And as you know, you end up using Americanisms if you're there for any length of time or they don't understand you. So even a Sheffielder would start saying 'sidewalk' etc because he'd get fed up of explaining what a pavement was.

It would be just as inauthentic for him to talk like he's never gone south of Norton as it would be for him to be full on American.
 
BushBlade said:
And as you know, you end up using Americanisms if you're there for any length of time or they don't understand you. So even a Sheffielder would start saying 'sidewalk' etc because he'd get fed up of explaining what a pavement was.

It would be just as inauthentic for him to talk like he's never gone south of Norton as it would be for him to be full on American.
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Fair point that Bush. Some words never stuck tho, like faucet. I did however get in the habit of asking where the bathroom is. A bit of me dies when on the very odd occasions I have a lapse over here.
 
FlamingLip said:
Fair point that Bush. Some words never stuck tho, like faucet. I did however get in the habit of asking where the bathroom is. A bit of me dies when on the very odd occasions I have a lapse over here.
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Then you get some smart arse like me saying 'why, do you want a piss or a bath?'

I think it's the commonly used ones that stick.

Such as 'where's your board shorts?'
'Eh?, you mean me trunks, they're int boot'
'You mean the trunk?'
 
Jennifer said:
I hate it when Southerners in the US are portrayed in film or in print as ignorant trashy types prone to substance abuse and/or domestic violence with overly dramatic lives.
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Pretty much how the southerners over here portray our down to earth, hard working northerners.

But we know better ;)
 

Jennifer said:
I promise you it's not. Haven't the stomach for that.



Not the first time. But I am not offended. BTW, your handle . . . Are you a member of the LOTR cast as well, or just 100% Blade lol?
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My handle is based purely on Beanie being a long standing mate with whom I've enjoyed some interesting drinking and football. We also have the same tattoo which is the reference within the handle.
I could blather on about having visited 43 of your states and blah blah blah but I won't. I've actually forgotten what your original post asked,for which I apologise. If I can be of any help with regard to what it is you are looking to discover I'll be happy to help. If I have any worthwhile information. Which I probably don't.
Go Blades.
 
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