Promotion party

[Pinchy]

Define proper music, oh wise one.

It defines itself. It's certainly not Hippitty-Hoppitty, Garage Door, Housy-Housy shite. A combination of tuneful singing and playing the right notes on musical instruments was always thought to be a good start. R and B, by the way, stands for "rhythm and blues" which is nothing like the Musical Hoof that masquerades as such these days.

The only notes useless fuckers like Snoopy Dogstyle can recognise are the dollar bills he gets from idiots who kid themselves his noise has any merit.

 

[JJ Sefton]

It defines itself. It's certainly not Hippitty-Hoppitty, Garage Door, Housy-Housy shite. A combination of tuneful singing and playing the right notes on musical instruments was always thought to be a good start. R and B, by the way, stands for "rhythm and blues" which is nothing like the Musical Hoof that masquerades as such these days.

The only notes useless fuckers like Snoopy Dogstyle can recognise are the dollar bills he gets from idiots who kid themselves his noise has any merit.

I know you're just playing a role here, but I was chatting to the wife about this the other day. During the 1990s I had the same sort of view on hip hop as you, I thought it was just mumbling over samples. I listened to Oasis, The Bluetones, Cast, Blur, Pulp etc and thought I was oh so superior.

I now think I was wrong. While the music those indie bands produced was decent enough, it didn't really do anything new for the most part. All Oasis ever were was the lyrics of the Electric Light Orchestra welded to the music of Slade.

For the genuinely innovative music of the 1990s you have to look at stuff I turned my nose up at back then, like hip hop. This, for example, is a more resonant and socially aware piece of music than anything the 1960s tribute acts of the 1990s who travelled under the banner 'Britpop' ever produced. It is them who were the musical dinosaurs and the likes of Tupac who were doing something genuinely new and challenging.



I remember reading an article about 20 years ago where some guy said that, with rappers gunning each other down, they had finally made popular music as dangerous as it had been pretending to be for decades. Certainly, the east coast vs west coast feud that left Notoroious BIG and Tupac dead was a more high stakes affair than the Blur vs Oasis feud which saw Damon Albarn foul Noel Gallagher in a charity football match on Hackney Marshes.

Of course, if you prefer Status Quo, have fun. Anyway, United eh?

 

[Pinchy]

I know you're just playing a role here, but I was chatting to the wife about this the other day. During the 1990s I had the same sort of view on hip hop as you, I thought it was just mumbling over samples. I listened to Oasis, The Bluetones, Cast, Blur, Pulp etc and thought I was oh so superior.

I now think I was wrong. While the music those indie bands produced was decent enough, it didn't really do anything new for the most part. All Oasis ever were was the lyrics of the Electric Light Orchestra welded to the music of Slade.

For the genuinely innovative music of the 1990s you have to look at stuff I turned my nose up at back then, like hip hop. This, for example, is a more resonant and socially aware piece of music than anything the 1960s tribute acts of the 1990s who travelled under the banner 'Britpop' ever produced. It is them who were the musical dinosaurs and the likes of Tupac who were doing something genuinely new and challenging.



Of course, if you prefer Status Quo, have fun. Anyway, United eh?

Not me, mate. They've had a lot of success with one tune and little musicality.

Just as with football, I put a premium on quality. The Stones, Van Morrison, Gregory Porter, Miles Davis, Stan Getz, Crosby, Sinatra, Donald Fagen, pre-pop Roxy. Marvin, Smoky, The Tops, Billy Bragg, Bowie, to name just a handful, all the way round to the classics, the Tenors, Andre Rieu et al. Not much time for country or folk and certainly not the rap stuff but otherwise eclectic to say the least.

In fact I would like us to introduce plainsong and Gregorian Chant as the pre-match music at the Lane. It might relax a few and ease the strangled vocal chords?

 

[Snowman]

Oh Fuck! Pinchy likes some of my stuff. Can I ask where you stand on Muggsy Spanier, Bix Beiderbecke and Thelonius Monk? Later Allman Bros, Cream, Steely Dan. In between Django Rheinhart & the Hot Club.

Sooorrrreeee. Wrong thread.

I want Springsteen to play at the promotion party. Brings back fond memories of the Lane when we had a proper kop and a grass pitch.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Not me, mate. They've had a lot of success with one tune and little musicality.

Just as with football, I put a premium on quality. The Stones, Van Morrison, Gregory Porter, Miles Davis, Stan Getz, Crosby, Sinatra, Donald Fagen, pre-pop Roxy. Marvin, Smoky, The Tops, Billy Bragg, Bowie, to name just a handful, all the way round to the classics, the Tenors, Andre Rieu et al. Not much time for country or folk and certainly not the rap stuff but otherwise eclectic to say the least.

In fact I would like us to introduce plainsong and Gregorian Chant as the pre-match music at the Lane. It might relax a few and ease the strangled vocal chords?

Ah yes, what "tuneful singing" Miles Davis and Stan Getz used to do.

 

[DifferentClass]

If anyone's into 1970s pop and rock, I'm your Blade. Hit me up for promotion parties, weddings, bar mitzvahs, you name it

 

[Chali 2na]

It defines itself. It's certainly not Hippitty-Hoppitty, Garage Door, Housy-Housy shite. A combination of tuneful singing and playing the right notes on musical instruments was always thought to be a good start. R and B, by the way, stands for "rhythm and blues" which is nothing like the Musical Hoof that masquerades as such these days.

The only notes useless fuckers like Snoopy Dogstyle can recognise are the dollar bills he gets from idiots who kid themselves his noise has any merit.

I'm surprised someone as sapient and wise as yourself would get into a 'mine's better than yours' argument about something as subjective as music.

Firstly, I'm not sure why you've brought up Garage, House & R&B? Nobody's mentioned them?

If all you demand from your music is a bit of 'tuneful singing' and 'playing the right notes' (whatever that means) then I'm sure you'd be comfortable listening to the music in a lift or the bland bilge you might hear when put on hold?

Music is more than that, and 2 other important facets are lyrics and cultural significance, something which many good hip hop tracks have in spades.

Just compare the lyrics:

David Bowie - Moonage Daydream

I'm an alligator, I'm a mama-papa coming for you
I'm the space invader, I'll be a rock 'n' rollin' bitch for you
Keep your mouth shut, you're squawking like a pink monkey bird
And I'm busting up my brains for the words
Keep your 'lectric eye on me babe
Put your ray gun to my head
Press your space face close to mine, love
Freak out in a moonage daydream oh yeah

Tupac - Changes

Come on come on
I see no changes wake up in the morning and I ask myself
Is life worth living should I blast myself?
I'm tired of bein' poor and even worse I'm black
My stomach hurts so I'm lookin' for a purse to snatch
Cops give a damn about a negro
Pull the trigger kill a nigga he's a hero
Give the crack to the kids who the hell cares
One less hungry mouth on the welfare
First ship 'em dope and let 'em deal the brothers
Give 'em guns step back watch 'em kill each other
It's time to fight back that's what Huey said
Two shots in the dark now Huey's dead
I got love for my brother but we can never go nowhere
Unless we share with each other
We gotta start makin' changes
Learn to see me as a brother instead of two distant strangers

I'm not trying to marginalise your tastes: I love Bowie, The Stones, Bing Crosby amongst others from your list, I'm just trying to illustrate that different genres offer different things.

Ultimately though, I'm guessing that, despite your strong opinions, you haven't heard much hip hop (or at least only the pseudo-pop shite on the radio) and that your tastes are forged by something different: your age.

The Stones were at one point newfangled noise, as was Billy Bragg. Now they're both considered classics, yet the music hasn't changed. Do you see what I'm getting at?

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Not me, mate. They've had a lot of success with one tune and little musicality.

Just as with football, I put a premium on quality. The Stones, Van Morrison, Gregory Porter, Miles Davis, Stan Getz, Crosby, Sinatra, Donald Fagen, pre-pop Roxy. Marvin, Smoky, The Tops, Billy Bragg, Bowie, to name just a handful, all the way round to the classics, the Tenors, Andre Rieu et al. Not much time for country or folk and certainly not the rap stuff but otherwise eclectic to say the least.

In fact I would like us to introduce plainsong and Gregorian Chant as the pre-match music at the Lane. It might relax a few and ease the strangled vocal chords?

Billy Bragg, tuneful singing ??

 

[Dkc]

To be fair, I haven't tried the new one. I think I'm in the same boat as you: enjoy the ritual of rolling too much.

Another occasional toker here. I dislike rolling, never been able to roll a good spliff. Luckily I live near a place that sells them ready-rolled

 

[Esablade]

It's not all about Snoop Dogg. Would love to see Method Man, Redman, Cypress Hill and Wiz Khalifa live: would be nice to see them all at the same show.

That and the fact that I'm partial to a quick puff now and again.

Nevermind the music...let's Paaaarrrr-TAY!

 

[Chali 2na]

Another occasional toker here. I dislike rolling, never been able to roll a good spliff. Luckily I live near a place that sells them ready-rolled

You should teach your self mate, it's a very satisfying skill!

Nevermind the music...let's Paaaarrrr-TAY!


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Walked straight into that one didn't I? What an own goal

 

[Canterbury Blade]

Slade reforming playing Oasis songs.. Now that would be worth seeing...

Great stuff for a promotion party that.

Wards re-brewing for the day, my hair returning and because we've already won the league a team of
Blades fans, legends and directors playing the second half of the last game of the season..

Make it a day to remember as we look forward to a decent pre season tour that goes to somewhere good..

 

[DifferentClass]

Slade are still going Canters, but without Noddy. One of them had an Alan Knillesque cycling accident though and their tour's been postponed. That rock and roll lifestyle!

 

[Guesty]

Would you all laugh at me if I told you I was gutted when I realised that tour was only hitting North America?

Would go to that in a heartbeat.

I just went through the same painful journey. I have seen Meth and Cypress Hill before at least.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Slade reforming playing Oasis songs.. Now that would be worth seeing...

Be careful what you wish for...

 

[Canterbury Blade]

Slade are still going Canters, but without Noddy. One of them had an Alan Knillesque cycling accident though and their tour's been postponed. That rock and roll lifestyle!

I also don't think Jim Lea is involved anymore and when you think who wrote the songs that's pretty important.

Slade without Noddy is a bit like that night (as a young man) when I 'encountered' a woman who'd had children for the first time, from that over 30's night club in Cleethorpes. Looked about right, promised the same, made the right noises but just didn't quite feel right in so many ways...

 

[Pinchy]

Oh Fuck! Pinchy likes some of my stuff. Can I ask where you stand on Muggsy Spanier, Bix Beiderbecke and Thelonius Monk? Later Allman Bros, Cream, Steely Dan. In between Django Rheinhart & the Hot Club.

Sooorrrreeee. Wrong thread.

I want Springsteen to play at the promotion party. Brings back fond memories of the Lane when we had a proper kop and a grass pitch.

I love jazz mate. It's a rich irony that such a liberated style of music has so many strict demarcations within in it, from bebop through avante-garde, third-stream and modal to cool and back again. It's also right that the greats of jazz have moved through and between (and mixed) all the styles. John Coltrane is a notable example. So how much I like a particular artist rather depends on what he was playing at the time.

The great Charles Mingus once said "...if the free-form guys could play the same tune twice, then I would say they were playing something...". That rather sums up my own preferences.

Steely Dan? I included Donald Fagen in my previous post. Genius, beyond doubt. "Deacon Blues" is one of the great popular songs of all time. Everything you could ask for in a piece of modern music. Always on my playlist.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I love jazz mate. It's a rich irony that such a liberated style of music has so many strict demarcations within in it, from bebop through avante-garde, third-stream and modal to cool and back again. It's also right that the greats of jazz have moved through and between (and mixed) all the styles. John Coltrane is a notable example. So how much I like a particular artist rather depends on what he was playing at the time.

The great Charles Mingus once said "...if the free-form guys could play the same tune twice, then I would say they were playing something...". That rather sums up my own preferences.

Steely Dan? I included Donald Fagen in my previous post. Genius, beyond doubt. "Deacon Blues" is one of the great popular songs of all time. Everything you could ask for in a piece of modern music. Always on my playlist.

That's a lovely and succinct summary Pinchers. I spend far more than I can afford on music, but jazz - Coltrane, Hargrove, Miles, Chet, have you listened to Kamasi Washington's "The Epic" ? Masterful example of classic jazz through the prism of today's sensibility - there's also what I'd loosely describe as black American music, some independent artists (call it a broad church), and I can never listen to enough Chopin, so classical is central to my ever expanding collection. Agree about Fagen, love the mix of influences that flow through the Dan's work. I have a version of "Dirty Work" by The Flirtations that's beautiful. Would love to hear a cd where other artists cover their work.