That Dean Hammond..

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Grizzly blade said:
Players that were expensive. In essence, Brannigan did a good job, as he managed to find a way to get these players in the budget allowed by the board. His was not to question why, but to do or die. When the board realised Adkins was a chump it was too late, we were lumbered with his dross.
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Hang on, I thought Clough signed all the "dross" and Adkins simply "had one arm tied behind his back" ;)
 



Sean Thornton said:
My recollection, rightly or wrongly is that we were linked with him well before but that he was waiting to see if he had a role at Leicester.
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Grizzly blade said:
Adkins gave his list of players to Brannigan. Adkins was trusted, Brannigan was authorised to get those players.

Players that were expensive. In essence, Brannigan did a good job, as he managed to find a way to get these players in the budget allowed by the board. His was not to question why, but to do or die. When the board realised Adkins was a chump it was too late, we were lumbered with his dross.

Adkins, and Adkins alone is responsible. He demanded his players, he made the calls on who he wanted. Thankfully, the plonker has gone. Interesting that his biggest achievement was at a club where they had a policy of identifying players for the manager to work with. Adkins biggest problem is that he thinks he is better than he is.

Anyway, sick of talking about the bloke. We have a man who knows what he is doing.
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Totally agree with that.
But all managers make mistakes. Wilders biggest mistakes so far seem to be Leon Clarke , but at least he has the sense not to play him regardless of form unlike Adkins.
Arrogant Adkins.
Hammond is just typical of some modern day footballers he's still effectively being payed by United and he can't be arsed to work hard get fit and put a shift in . He's a disgrace.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Specifically, what did Hammonds medical show? Were the board appraised of the results? How much did NA demand we signed him?

Does anyone know or is it all supposition on your part ?
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Of course it's supposition. Put my original post in context and stop trying to thundercunt me. What do you think his medical said? That's he's just short of Bolt's record?
 
davidblade said:
Totally agree with that.
But all managers make mistakes. Wilders biggest mistakes so far seem to be Leon Clarke , but at least he has the sense not to play him regardless of form unlike Adkins.
Arrogant Adkins.
Hammond is just typical of some modern day footballers he's still effectively being payed by United and he can't be arsed to work hard get fit and put a shift in . He's a disgrace.
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I have nothing personal with Hammond, and I understand your point that he can't be arsed to put the work in.
But, on the other hand, after probably 20 years of it I can understand that he can't be arsed.
He will be wealthy and set for life. He's not been training, and the problem when you reach your 30's is that as soon as you miss a period through injury or not playing regular you lose your legs.
It becomes very difficult to get them back....Jags is an example.

Not many players manage it, and so don't be surprised to see Jags drop down a level soon, in very good money to ensure he's paid for the end of his career.
Every player pretty much does the same. We just got shafted by one hence our hatred. But some fans somewhere will feel the same about Jags in 18 months time
 
Sean Thornton said:
I may be wrong but I thought the Hammond pants down, sorry deal took some time to get over the line. Possibly because it took him a couple of weeks to complete the 100 m sprint in the medical.
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Well he was fit enough to do this.......................

 
davidblade said:
Totally agree with that.
But all managers make mistakes. Wilders biggest mistakes so far seem to be Leon Clarke , but at least he has the sense not to play him regardless of form unlike Adkins.
Arrogant Adkins.
Hammond is just typical of some modern day footballers he's still effectively being payed by United and he can't be arsed to work hard get fit and put a shift in . He's a disgrace.
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Other than Hammond, who would have played in midfield instead if we couldn't get anyone else in? The always "injured" James Wallace, the out of form/not really fit Coutts or we don't we really know his position Basham?

FYI I think Hammond was shite by the way and he should have had the good grace to tell Adkins that he wasn't up to it last season.
 
BushBlade said:
Of course it's supposition. Put my original post in context and stop trying to thundercunt me. What do you think his medical said? That's he's just short of Bolt's record?
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Exactly. You said the board should intervene despite you having no knowledge of the events. Isn't that thundercunting the board?

I don't know - like you - what his medical said but you seemed to believe it stated he was knacked. And the board did nothing about it.


"What I said was that after he'd had his medical we should have had second thoughts. And then turned round and said 'he's fucking knackered Nige and we're not paying this much for him."

Doesn't seem like supposition "we should have" and "he's fucking knackered" seems pretty definitive.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Exactly. You said the board should intervene despite you having no knowledge of the events. Isn't that thundercunting the board?

I don't know - like you - what his medical said but you seemed to believe it stated he was knacked. And the board did nothing about it.


"What I said was that after he'd had his medical we should have had second thoughts. And then turned round and said 'he's fucking knackered Nige and we're not paying this much for him."

Doesn't seem like supposition "we should have" and "he's fucking knackered" seems pretty definitive.
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I was responding to a specific point made by Gray Blade where he implied that those who carried out the medical were negligent.

I have suggested that he wasn't so injured that he would fail a medical. Then Gray raised the point about his bleep tests and I suggested that, assuming they wouldn't be good - a reasonable assumption given his subsequent performances, we could have reconsidered the nature of the deal we offered him. The rest was just a bit of colour to make my posts more readable.
 
BushBlade said:
I was responding to a specific point made by Gray Blade where he implied that those who carried out the medical were negligent.

I have suggested that he wasn't so injured that he would fail a medical. Then Gray raised the point about his bleep tests and I suggested that, assuming they wouldn't be good - a reasonable assumption given his subsequent performances, we could have reconsidered the nature of the deal we offered him. The rest was just a bit of colour to make my posts more readable.
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I can only go on what you posted.
 
Hammy Hammond gained a conscience?
Or just pre-empting the inevitable to save a bit of face? - i.e. withdrawing from the process before the humiliation of a club as shit as Coventry declining to offer him a contract.
 
Sean Thornton said:
I can only go on what you posted.
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You're just looking for an argument. We signed Hammond, he was shit and off the pace. We paid a lot of money for him. There was supposed to be a process to stop this happening. It didn't stop it happening.

But that's no ones fault but Adkins. Just like Clough before him he was able to circumvent the 'process' but that doesn't mean the process is flawed, we just let him do it because we were frightened he might run away from his lucrative contract. And he's such a nice boy, not like that other Nigel.
 
BushBlade said:
You're just looking for an argument. We signed Hammond, he was shit and off the pace. We paid a lot of money for him. There was supposed to be a process to stop this happening. It didn't stop it happening.

But that's no ones fault but Adkins. Just like Clough before him he was able to circumvent the 'process' but that doesn't mean the process is flawed, we just let him do it because we were frightened he might run away from his lucrative contract. And he's such a nice boy, not like that other Nigel.
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No. I questioned your comments. You got shirty.

You've now made a specific post about the medical into a general one about the "process" as a whole.

No one is saying he wasn't an expensive flop. It turned into a blame scenario. I put it firmly on the head of Mad Nigel, who knows more about football and medicals than any board member and pushed the deal through. With that ridiculous clause which it looks like it might have cost Brannigan his job, or at least the straw that broke the camels back.
 



Alfreton14Blade said:
Hammy Hammond gained a conscience?
Or just pre-empting the inevitable to save a bit of face? - i.e. withdrawing from the process before the humiliation of a club as shit as Coventry declining to offer him a contract.
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Maybe he knew that when it went shit shaped for him there they'd have to take the fuck all they have in their trophy room down to Cash Converters to pay him off ;)
 
Sean Thornton said:
No. I questioned your comments. You got shirty.

You've now made a specific post about the medical into a general one about the "process" as a whole.

No one is saying he wasn't an expensive flop. It turned into a blame scenario. I put it firmly on the head of Mad Nigel, who knows more about football and medicals than any board member and pushed the deal through. With that ridiculous clause which it looks like it might have cost Brannigan his job, or at least the straw that broke the camels back.
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This was Gray's post and my post in response.

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Possibly BB, if he could tackle cleanly, win headers and pass a ball, but for me he had absolutely nothing going for him, at least at this this stage of his career.

My point regarding the docs and physios was that they will have watched him run and timed him before he put pen to paper, and it's hard to imagine how it didn't raise a few eyebrows, assuming they'd looked at videos of him playing for Leicester. He never looked right from day one (in my opinion of course). Adkins more than anybody should have seen what he'd lost, which is why I think the whole deal, especially his 12 month extension option stinks mate.
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It was a poor signing and a big error of judgement from Adkins but we've signed players before who haven't been particularly fit, like Shipperly and McGrath.

What I would question, is how involved are our owners or their representatives in the process. Someone obviously gave Adkins the green light. After Wallace and Hogdon you'd think we'd look at these things, particularly given the amount of money we spent on him. Or do we just give the manager a blank cheque and then whinge when it doesn't work out?

And no, I'm not saying they should be constantly interfering but at some point in their career every manager is told 'no, you can't have him'. How many magic beans will we buy before we realise there's no such thing as a magic bean?


I stand by that, whether you agree or not. It's clearly supposition and I have made no attempt to pass it off as fact or ITK information. It's my opinion. I'm surprised the deal went through considering we've been caught out before. I can't really add to that without repeating myself.
 
He didnt sign for the Whistleblowers because he was afraid of being seen on April the 1st o_O
 
JonnyRed(WCFC) said:
84 likes ... Adkins and his 83 geese
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  1. @gageykev @SUFC_tweets Deffo goin down with him involved absolute waste of a wage# stealingbreath

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  2. Nig Platts ‏@Blademanbornand 16h16 hours ago
    @gageykev @SUFC_tweets Vardy should now get the service he needs to get them out of relegation trouble PMSL. LCFC at BDTBL next season

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  3. david taylor ‏@davbladesblood 18h18 hours ago
    @gageykev @SUFC_tweets Mmm be a good signing for us I recon.
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  4. Andrew Jones ‏@jones5_andrew 17h17 hours ago
    @gageykev @SUFC_tweets tell you mate April 1

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