Merry Christmas Pinchy

[HillmortonBlade]

I didn't need to. I was there. He was a poor, poor footballer. Crude, slow, unskilled.

I was there too, I remember being very pleased he scored but that could not gloss over the fact he was no Brian Deane.

 

[Bert]

I was there too, I remember being very pleased he scored but that could not gloss over the fact he was no Brian Deane.

Wonder if he still wears that bandage on his wrist?
Bergen Blade ought to look into this.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Wonder if he still wears that bandage on his wrist?
Bergen Blade ought to look into this.

I seem to remember one of the goals was "helped" by a handball (might be wrong, what with maturity and the bottle of Macallen)

 

[Bergen Blade]

Wonder if he still wears that bandage on his wrist?
Bergen Blade ought to look into this.

I think I read one time that he only wore it to protect opponents from some screws (or possibly a metal plate) he had in there. There were some games where he didn't wear it, not sure why:

 

[Bergen Blade]

I seem to remember one of the goals was "helped" by a handball (might be wrong, what with maturity and the bottle of Macallen)

His second was scored with his shoulder, rather than his head:

 

[JJ Sefton]

How much did we pay for Flo?

 

[HillmortonBlade]

His second was scored with his shoulder, rather than his head:

Great to see. Thanks

 

[Revolution]

actually Flo scored 10 in 33 prem games in his only season it

which makes him the last blade to have achieved double figures in the prem

No he didn't. He got 9. Deano is the only one to get double figures in one PL season for us.

 

[Bladepicker]

I didn't need to. I was there. He was a poor, poor footballer. Crude, slow, unskilled.

While we had Jostein we got his yougest brother in on trial but, in true United style, decided Tore Andre wasn't up to much and jettisoned him.

 

[JohnDenver]

His second was scored with his shoulder, rather than his head:

I love Flo's second. Huge twist of the bulging neck muscles to bullet it past the keeper. But he misses it completely and it spozzes home off his shoulder.

What a win though.

 

[Nick Jansky]

What a bizarre thread. I think we are all agreed that Pinchy lives in some sort of utopia (dystopia?) in his own head that only ever existed in Barcelona under Guardiola for about 6 months out of pure luck with the personnel & age profile at his disposal, and was certainly not routinely played in the 60s & 70s Blades teams of my memory, who were quite happy to go long when it suited. If we don't agree with him, apparently we "love hoof". Currie was the king of the long ball when it was needed.

Good teams do what they need to do to win, as we are doing at the moment.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

And Eddie Colquhoun liked a fag, (to smoke),

I once had the pleasure of a brief chat with Len Badger. He said it caused him a lot of annoyance that Eddie and Woody smoked like chimneys but could still out run him.

 

[cahill]

I saw Alberto Y Los Trios Paranoias at the Top Rank.

Their support band was The Police.

I'd rather watch Alberto again than Sting & Co. (Or Led Zepp)

Saw them a couple of times, once in Sheffield , and once at the Roundhouse in London, brilliant live act, I think they were from Manchester ?

 

[tyke1889]

Saw them a couple of times, once in Sheffield , and once at the Roundhouse in London, brilliant live act, I think they were from Manchester ?

I believe they were. Never saw them again and can't remember too much about that night tbf as, in the words of Rowley Birkin, I was very very drunk.

 

[blade too long]

No he didn't. He got 9. Deano is the only one to get double figures in one PL season for us.

got 10 according to site I looked at

1993-94 Sheffield United Premier League 33 10
1994-95 First Division 32 6
1995-96 19 4

 

[oldblade]

got 10 according to site I looked at

1993-94 Sheffield United Premier League 33 10
1994-95 First Division 32 6
1995-96 19 4

According to "The Complete Record Of Sheffield United Football Club" as compiled by Denis Clareborough and Andrew Kirkham, Flo got 9 premier league goals in the 1993-4 season. He made 32 starts and one substitute appearance.
Those 9 goals were scored against Wimbledon, Ipswich Town, Queens Park Rangers, Southampton (2), Leeds United, Liverpool (2) and Chelsea.

I think this publication is probably more reliable than Wikipedia.

 

[Pinchy]

got 10 according to site I looked at

1993-94 Sheffield United Premier League 33 10
1994-95 First Division 32 6
1995-96 19 4

Is there any record of how many times he controlled a football as opposed to crudely helping it on? Probably lower than his crap goals ratio. As I've said before, once DD lost Deane he abandoned any refinement of his "style" and reverted to what he was comfortable with at Wimbledon - alehouse football at its crudest.

You Hoofers now try to rewrite history yet again by converting Jostein Flo into something better than the dreadful footballer he was.

 

[Deleted member 875]

Is there any record of how many times he controlled a football as opposed to crudely helping it on? Probably lower than his crap goals ratio. As I've said before, once DD lost Deane he abandoned any refinement of his "style" and reverted to what he was comfortable with at Wimbledon - alehouse football at its crudest.

You Hoofers now try to rewrite history yet again by converting Jostein Flo into something better than the dreadful footballer he was.

Jostien Flo was a footballing revolutionary, as he was first exponent of what was known of the Flo Pass, where the left back picks up the ball and sends a long ball up the field to the right wing where Flo headed it on in to the mixer. Might not have been one for the purists who would have denounced it hoofball, as but it was very effective for Norway, and something that we should have done more with Flo, and it would have been great to watch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flo_Pass

 

[JohnDenver]

Jostien Flo was a footballing revolutionary, as he was first exponent of what was known of the Flo Pass, where the left back picks up the ball and sends a long ball up the field to the right wing where Flo headed it on in to the mixer. Might not have been one for the purists who would have denounced it hoofball, as but it was very effective for Norway, and something that we should have done more with Flo, and it would have been great to watch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flo_Pass

Incoming! Vrrrrrroooooommm! Akakakakaka!

 

[Pinchy]

Jostien Flo was a footballing revolutionary, as he was first exponent of what was known of the Flo Pass, where the left back picks up the ball and sends a long ball up the field to the right wing where Flo headed it on in to the mixer. Might not have been one for the purists who would have denounced it hoofball, as but it was very effective for Norway, and something that we should have done more with Flo, and it would have been great to watch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flo_Pass

An interesting interpretation of "great to watch" mate. Personally I'd sooner get a tin of gloss, open the lid and stare at it constantly looking for changes in consistency.

Also, as I've said for years, there is a world of difference between a "long ball" punted in the general direction of two lighthouses ambling near the opposition penalty area and a "long pass" played by Currie or Hoddle to a team-mate's feet or into his unbroken stride. The former is pub football; the latter a sheer delight. The time has come for Hoofers to stop disingenuously eliding the two. They are chalk and cheese.

 

[grafikhaus]

football being better in the late sixties early seventies is a myth
the better bit was we were in the top flight
the football was as bland as it is now , most of the time
yes Currie lit up the odd game, but to say we played sexy football is a gross distortion of the facts
there were just as many dour games even then

the good bit was just being there, playing with man utd and liverpool
remembering our relegation in 68 our last few home games were bloody abysmal
16 Mar 1968 Sheffield United v Sunderland L 1-2
13 Apr 1968 Sheffield United v Everton L 0-1
15 Apr 1968 Sheffield United v Liverpool D 1-1
23 Apr 1968 Sheffield United v Fulham L 2-3
27 Apr 1968 Sheffield United v West Ham United L 1-2
11 May 1968 Sheffield United v Chelsea L 1-2

Ah yes. Relegation on the last day of the season to a team which had vested interests to keep their near-neighbours up.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

 

[blade too long]

Is there any record of how many times he controlled a football as opposed to crudely helping it on? Probably lower than his crap goals ratio. As I've said before, once DD lost Deane he abandoned any refinement of his "style" and reverted to what he was comfortable with at Wimbledon - alehouse football at its crudest.

You Hoofers now try to rewrite history yet again by converting Jostein Flo into something better than the dreadful footballer he was.

again why slag off what was a decent era in our history ,we didnt revert entirely to hoof, any more than any prem club used direct football
who was more direct than man utd , long balls up field for their thug mark hughes to batter a defender into submission
and they won the league
as did L;eeds with human battering ram Chapman
to say we were the only exponents of it is misrepresenting reality
Harris could be accused of using mick jones and birchenall in the very same way
Personally dont see your gripe, you win whichever you can , your assertion because we had Currie we were the english version of the johann cruff team is absurd
I refuse to write Bassetts teams off as crude cloggers
I enjoyed as many wins through out playing under Harry as I did under Harris

 

[oldblade]

An interesting interpretation of "great to watch" mate. Personally I'd sooner get a tin of gloss, open the lid and stare at it constantly looking for changes in consistency.

Also, as I've said for years, there is a world of difference between a "long ball" punted in the general direction of two lighthouses ambling near the opposition penalty area and a "long pass" played by Currie or Hoddle to a team-mate's feet or into his unbroken stride. The former is pub football; the latter a sheer delight. The time has come for Hoofers to stop disingenuously eliding the two. They are chalk and cheese.

Of course we never ever aimed for Bill Dearden's head, did we?

 

[blade too long]

dave bassett

Sheffield United 21 January 1988 12 December 1995 p 394 w 150 d 43 l 101 win percentage 38.07
John Harris
1959 1968 p 441. w 183 d 105 l 153 win 41 .5

very similar records
but Bassett had to battle against much wealthier opponents , Harris got a much easier ride as all teams werent far off being on a par in transfer and wages

Bassett was up against teams paying 5 to 8 times as much as we were

 

[Pinchy]

dave bassett

Sheffield United 21 January 1988 12 December 1995 p 394 w 150 d 43 l 101 win percentage 38.07
John Harris
1959 1968 p 441. w 183 d 105 l 153 win 41 .5

very similar records
but Bassett had to battle against much wealthier opponents , Harris got a much easier ride as all teams werent far off being on a par in transfer and wages

Bassett was up against teams paying 5 to 8 times as much as we were

Yes, you've said...to the point of tedium. Harris' teams played football and were great to watch most of the time. DD was a Hoofer and so are you. That's it.

 

[Pinchy]

Of course we never ever aimed for Bill Dearden's head, did we?

"The time has come for Hoofers to stop disingenuously eliding the two. They are chalk and cheese."

Oh dear. My hope's shattered. My wise counsel disregarded. T'was ever thus...

 

[blade too long]

Yes, you've said...to the point of tedium. Harris' teams played football and were great to watch most of the time. DD was a Hoofer and so are you. That's it.

werent great to watch every game
currie in 72 73 scored 1 goal all season and again in his last season
your rose tinted view is not backed up by figures

 

[oldblade]

dave bassett

Sheffield United 21 January 1988 12 December 1995 p 394 w 150 d 43 l 101 win percentage 38.07
John Harris
1959 1968 p 441. w 183 d 105 l 153 win 41 .5

very similar records
but Bassett had to battle against much wealthier opponents , Harris got a much easier ride as all teams werent far off being on a par in transfer and wages

Bassett was up against teams paying 5 to 8 times as much as we were

Harris was also our manager from 1969-73. During that time his win percentage was 44.

 

[Pinchy]

werent great to watch every game

You talk nonsense. Please stop it. You are both repeating and frankly embarrassing yourself for no good reason. John Harris played a passing game. Bassett, as the whole world outside S2 knows, was a "long-ball merchant". Your attempt to square the circle is so stupid and futile that even your fellow Hoofers must be cringing.

I've told you before, if you like alehouse football just say so. Be loud and proud about it. It's bizarre but it's your right. Just stop trying to turn base metal into gold. Your touchstone is working about as well as the Bramall Lane fax machine.

 

[Pinchy]

What a bizarre thread. I think we are all agreed that Pinchy lives in some sort of utopia (dystopia?) in his own head that only ever existed in Barcelona under Guardiola for about 6 months out of pure luck with the personnel & age profile at his disposal, and was certainly not routinely played in the 60s & 70s Blades teams of my memory, who were quite happy to go long when it suited. If we don't agree with him, apparently we "love hoof". Currie was the king of the long ball when it was needed.

Good teams do what they need to do to win, as we are doing at the moment.

Long passes (Currie; Hoddle; Charlton) are exquisite, Nick. Long aimless punts (Vinny Jones; Wally Fucking Downes) are excruciating.

Therein lies the disingenuous Hoofers' Fallacy.