A progress report on The Chedler...

[Cerberus Blade]

Not be allowed by who ? And why ? Is this belief based on anything ?

For the record I am not sure a forward is a pripriority. Cover at right wing back, a centre half if eel leaves, and a winger to replace Chapman are more important

Not be allowed to by someone called "Kevin McCabe". Have you heard of him? He's our Chairman and the guy who pulled the plug on him training with us even though he had served his custodial sentence at the time.

(Where do you live btw? Which cave in Derbyshire?)

I think you have been listening to Jonny Leeds on RS. So, a forward isn't a priority then? Who is going to score goals apart from Billy Sharp then? Tell us that one first then we can carry on with the debate?

 

[bartman]

I think you have been listening to Jonny Leeds on RS. So, a forward isn't a priority then? Who is going to score goals apart from Billy Sharp then? Tell us that one first then we can carry on with the debate?

I was giving my opinion which obviously means debate which by your reply disagrees with mineWho is johnny Leeds on RS ? I don't listen to RS as either at matches or at work. What has his opinion got to do with mine ?

 

[Pinchy]

Who'd have thought writing ran the show would be so controversial,
Ched was a constant threat whilst he was ON the pitch, imo everything chezzy had came through him.
Chill out ffs.

Because it's typical Bladey inferiority complex cap-doffing. If you lose 4-1 at home not one of your players has "run the show". It's axiomatic. Try saying it of one of our players next time we get battered at home by three goals.

 

[bartman]

Not be allowed to by someone called "Kevin McCabe". Have you heard of him? He's our Chairman and the guy who pulled the plug on him training with us even though he had served his custodial sentence at the time.

(Where do you live btw? Which cave in Derbyshire?)

I think you have been listening to Jonny Leeds on RS. So, a forward isn't a priority then? Who is going to score goals apart from Billy Sharp then? Tell us that one first then we can carry on with the debate?

Not be allowed to by someone called "Kevin McCabe". Have you heard of him? He's our Chairman and the guy who pulled the plug on him training with us even though he had served his custodial sentence at the time.

(Where do you live btw? Which cave in Derbyshire?)

You don't understand why McCabe pulled the plug ?

Why the sarcasm by the way? Aren't posters allowed to disagree with you or challenge your posts ? What does a cave in Derbushire got to do with anything ?

As you asked no politely I was born and bred in Meersbrook and now live in Halfway. Where do you live ?

 

[Rodley]

This whole thread is the reason why we shouldn't sign him. Because half the support would end up bickering with the other half.

Can't be arsed with the extra baggage.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Well...I don't think you have to be a genius to know the answer to that do you?

The point of the question was:

Some ITK people have suggested that under no circumstances would he come back to United as he felt let down by the club over the training facility decision when he was released pending the CCRC appeal.

You are correct, fans have shown (in general, great support for Ched - but the fans won't make the decision to him coming back.

Wilson/Morgan/McCabe are probably part of a very small circle that do know. I have no idea if he would come back - you seem to believe the £2K (which some say is £1K btw), and that the SUFC support before/during/after trial/CCRC/Appeal is sufficient. Once again, I don't know and don't believe anyone does.

The next installment starts January 1st 2017.

UTB

 

[Fulwood Blade]

This whole thread is the reason why we shouldn't sign him. Because half the support would end up bickering with the other half.

Can't be arsed with the extra baggage.

It wasn't half and half for the fans that went to Chesterfield and witnessed the applause when he went off - seemed the vast majority to me.

UTB

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

I know it's football, and the supporters religion that shall never be questioned etc, etc, but this blind loyalty to a player who, through vast amounts of money thrown at his legal case, managed to find a way of using someone's past to undermine their worth as a human being. Evans was (may still be?) a predatory, self-serving narcissist who managed to weasel his way to the point where he could overwhelm his way to some type of legal victory. I know it goes against the grain to say as much, but the way some on here (and football supporters in general no doubt) seem to have no clue about the difference between a legal victory and a moral defeat is astounding. I guess club before commonsense is taken as read in most circumstances.

I don't care about him or the path his life takes him. If he should return to United I'll still support the Blades, after a couple of years he'll be gone and this will have been the peak of anything that could be regarded as a football career. No doubt those with massive mouths will reply in the way they no best, but if there's a lack of civility the 'ignore' button will be pushed with gleeful abandon, that's a promise UTB

I saw from a poster above the following quote - "If these players are playing well they can do what they like off the pitch" - a perfect summary of what I wrote above.

With civility,your post exhibits a large dose of arrogance as well as being hugely derogative and patronising to football fans generally.
It isn't about fans blind loyalty,its about a bloke who has been found innocent in a court of this land and all your attempts to muddy the waters with vast amounts of money,undermining someones past,(forgive me but the only person to undermine her past was the trollop in question,she did that all by herself) are twaddle.
Sit tall and proud on your moral high horse. After a while your arse will get sore and no-one will give a crap anyway.

 

[Pinchy]

You don't understand why McCabe pulled the plug ?

Why the sarcasm by the way? Aren't posters allowed to disagree with you or challenge your posts ? What does a cave in Derbushire got to do with anything ?

As you asked no politely I was born and bred in Meersbrook and now live in Halfway. Where do you live ?

I'm afraid it was because the media pressure was so intense as to be suffocating the club and making it impossible to function normally as a professional football club. It was becoming an issue way beyond what was acceptable. It wasn't our fault: It wasn't Ched's fault. Personally I felt we should say "fuck 'em" but Kev was in the best possession to assess where it was going and his decision was entirely understandable (he would say inevitable) however distasteful to my liberal-minded principles of fairness, justice and the Rule of Law.

 

[Bladesway]

This whole thread is the reason why we shouldn't sign him. Because half the support would end up bickering with the other half.

Can't be arsed with the extra baggage.

To be fair Rodley it would save it being something else, because it always is. We can't even be 2nd in the table without people deliberately trying to set one half of the support base against the other with a thread that is akin to pouring petrol on an already lit fire.

 

[Bladesway]

With civility,your post exhibits a large dose of arrogance as well as being hugely derogative and patronising to football fans generally.
It isn't about fans blind loyalty,its about a bloke who has been found innocent in a court of this land and all your attempts to muddy the waters with vast amounts of money,undermining someones past,(forgive me but the only person to undermine her past was the trollop in question,she did that all by herself) are twaddle.
Sit tall and proud on your moral high horse. After a while your arse will get sore and no-one will give a crap anyway.

The "trollop" in question never accused him of anything. So adding to your brilliance of pissing down the back of people's legs and being proud of it you now proclaim a woman who gets drunk and sleeps with someone is a trollop.

I believe 1973 just called and wants its attitude back.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

If CW wants Ched, then I want him to come to us
If CW doesnt want Ched, then I dont want him to come to us

All agree?

Thats the way to go.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

The "trollop" in question never accused him of anything. So adding to your brilliance of pissing down the back of people's legs and being proud of it you now proclaim a woman who gets drunk and sleeps with someone is a trollop.

I believe 1973 just called and wants its attitude back.

Oh dear how precious you are. First up I was refering to the use of her past to suggest (successfully as it transpires) that he "behaviour" with Ched and pal was typical. No idea why you bring up her not accusing him of anything given I never suggested she had.

Secondly the pissing issue was tongue in cheek and taken from well known anecdotes from the 30's and 40's when the crowds were so big on the kop were such that it was common for males to relieve themselves in situ. The trousers worn in those days were exceptionally baggy making it unlikely the unfortunate recipient would notice until some time later.
Perhaps your dad was one of the jolly jesters who participated.
Bet you're a right barrel of laughs at the office party eh. FFS.

 

[itsinyerblood]

With civility,your post exhibits a large dose of arrogance as well as being hugely derogative and patronising to football fans generally.
It isn't about fans blind loyalty,its about a bloke who has been found innocent in a court of this land and all your attempts to muddy the waters with vast amounts of money,undermining someones past,(forgive me but the only person to undermine her past was the trollop in question,she did that all by herself) are twaddle.
Sit tall and proud on your moral high horse. After a while your arse will get sore and no-one will give a crap anyway.

Sean, your quality or 'civility' isn't that surprising. By your criteria then 'innocent' men such as O.J. Simpson walk the streets. A court of law, whilst the only reasonable means by which to evaluate someone's innocence or guilt, isn't infallible. You refer to my post as adopting some type of moral high horse, as if posting an opinion (for that's all it is) either subscribes to your own jaundiced view or not. I'm sorry we disagree, but I can live with that. Your words are already erased from my memory, it didn't require 'a while', it took far less time for this to happen. I shan't put you on 'ignore', you often post about topics I find interesting, unfortunately this isn't one such post. Peace and love and reasonable harmony UTB

 

[bartman]

To be fair Rodley it would save it being something else, because it always is. We can't even be 2nd in the table without people deliberately trying to set one half of the support base against the other with a thread that is akin to pouring petrol on an already lit fire.

Totally agree. Sensible and reasoned debate is one thing we all want however the reactions of some on here if you disagree with them goes far beyond that

 

[Bladesway]

Oh dear how precious you are. First up I was refering to the use of her past to suggest (successfully as it transpires) that he "behaviour" with Ched and pal was typical. No idea why you bring up her not accusing him of anything given I never suggested she had.

Secondly the pissing issue was tongue in cheek and taken from well known anecdotes from the 30's and 40's when the crowds were so big on the kop were such that it was common for males to relieve themselves in situ. The trousers worn in those days were exceptionally baggy making it unlikely the unfortunate recipient would notice until some time later.
Perhaps your dad was one of the jolly jesters who participated.
Bet you're a right barrel of laughs at the office party eh. FFS.

Yes the way to have a laugh is to have Chubby Brown as your comedic role model. That should slay em.

You are the best of all worlds. Like a relic stuck in a swamp thrashing about telling everyone it's just banter, PC has gone mad etc, etc.

 

[sportinguista]

A lot of this discussion assumes that Evans is sniffing for opportunities and that SUFC could simply waltz in and whisk him away should it be their desire.
Maybe, just maybe, the player in question might show some scruples and just want to stay where he is regardless of whether others want to buy his services, thereby respecting and repaying the faith shown in him by CFC to offer him a way back into his profession.
Maybe, just maybe, the young man will show some humility and integrity and give CFC his full effort for the duration of his contract.
On the other hand he might just be a mercenary and take the biggest offer anyone will make for him.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Yes the way to have a laugh is to have Chubby Brown as your comedic role model. That should slay em.

You are the best of all worlds. Like a relic stuck in a swamp thrashing about telling everyone it's just banter, PC has gone mad etc, etc.

Goodness me darling. Calm down. Bad period pains? Ah bless.
For the record PC is the worst thing to have happened to this country since The Rubettes. As for Chubby Brown I've only seen about 15 minutes of his garbage so I'll bow to your vastly superior knowledge,you obviously being a big fan and all.
Anyway,I'm sure you're busy writing letters of complaint and being all offended on other peoples behalf.
Again. Sorry you're having a bad case of PMT.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Sean, your quality or 'civility' isn't that surprising. By your criteria then 'innocent' men such as O.J. Simpson walk the streets. A court of law, whilst the only reasonable means by which to evaluate someone's innocence or guilt, isn't infallible. You refer to my post as adopting some type of moral high horse, as if posting an opinion (for that's all it is) either subscribes to your own jaundiced view or not. I'm sorry we disagree, but I can live with that. Your words are already erased from my memory, it didn't require 'a while', it took far less time for this to happen. I shan't put you on 'ignore', you often post about topics I find interesting, unfortunately this isn't one such post. Peace and love and reasonable harmony UTB

Here's the thing. He was convicted by a court of law and subsequently cleared by a court of appeal. Now one either accepts the outcome of the legal process(s) or one dosen't. One can't pick and choose.

I note your post is again peppered with an air of moral superiority. I won't comment on how it makes me feel/dosen't feel. I'll leave that to you.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Yeah but...........

 

[Bladesway]

Goodness me darling. Calm down. Bad period pains? Ah bless.
For the record PC is the worst thing to have happened to this country since The Rubettes. As for Chubby Brown I've only seen about 15 minutes of his garbage so I'll bow to your vastly superior knowledge,you obviously being a big fan and all.
Anyway,I'm sure you're busy writing letters of complaint and being all offended on other peoples behalf.
Again. Sorry you're having a bad case of PMT.

Wasn't it you calling someone a **** the other day as well?

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Wasn't it you calling someone a **** the other day as well?

Oh dear,there you go again,getting all offended on behalf of someone else.
Have a day off petal. The world will manage without you. Hard for you to accept I know but it will.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

I know it's football, and the supporters religion that shall never be questioned etc, etc, but this blind loyalty to a player who, through vast amounts of money thrown at his legal case, managed to find a way of using someone's past to undermine their worth as a human being. Evans was (may still be?) a predatory, self-serving narcissist who managed to weasel his way to the point where he could overwhelm his way to some type of legal victory. I know it goes against the grain to say as much, but the way some on here (and football supporters in general no doubt) seem to have no clue about the difference between a legal victory and a moral defeat is astounding. I guess club before commonsense is taken as read in most circumstances.

I don't care about him or the path his life takes him. If he should return to United I'll still support the Blades, after a couple of years he'll be gone and this will have been the peak of anything that could be regarded as a football career. No doubt those with massive mouths will reply in the way they no best, but if there's a lack of civility the 'ignore' button will be pushed with gleeful abandon, that's a promise UTB

I saw from a poster above the following quote - "If these players are playing well they can do what they like off the pitch" - a perfect summary of what I wrote above.

You don't understand how or why the evidence was presented, yet you use it to criticise him and then embellish it with your moralistic viewpoint

Your post is arrogant, patronising, misinformed and inaccurate

Considering how many words you cram into your posts it's surprising how vacuous they tend to be

 

[itsinyerblood]

Here's the thing. He was convicted by a court of law and subsequently cleared by a court of appeal. Now one either accepts the outcome of the legal process(s) or one dosen't. One can't pick and choose.

I note your post is again peppered with an air of moral superiority. I won't comment on how it makes me feel/dosen't feel. I'll leave that to you.

1: Actually, you can pick or choose, not agreeing is one of the fundamentals of being fortunate enough to live in this country.

2: I'm genuinely sorry you interpret my words with what you refer to as 'moral superiority'. Nothing to do with the fact that I've not shown deference to your own opinions about a player who isn't exactly cloaked in virtue I suppose? As I've written elsewhere, Evans will either be signed to United or he won't, life will go on and the world will revolve, and all the while I'll sleep easily in my bed, which is how life is meant to be UTB

 

[Bladesway]

Oh dear,there you go again,getting all offended on behalf of someone else.
Have a day off petal. The world will manage without you. Hard for you to accept I know but it will.

So the use of that word is fine then? Just a point because I wasn't offended as such, just gobsmacked that people still put words like that out in a public forum.

But keep up the good work, you're (along with a few others) managing to drag this place to a point not unlike the forum you came from.

 

[coolhandluke]

I love posts like this. Now, tell us what the source of your information is coolhandluke? Where have you heard that Wilder doesn't want him and Ched doesn't want to come?

I believe both to be wrong. But I'm prepared to believe that Wilder won't be allowed to sign him.

Cerberus , believe whatever you want to believe .

What i will say is this though . I want Ched back . Seeing him playing against us for Chesterfield convinced me he has a lot to offer us . Hes " Done with goals " for want of a better way of describing my feelings on the matter . Secondly , i believe that on a personal level he owes us for letting us down in the way that he did . If he'd have behaved with an ounce of dignity and morality on the fateful night in question he wouldnt have been jailed . But he behaved like a twat .... the rest they say is history .

But hes not coming back to us . CW doesnt want him and Ched thinks we as a club stabbed him in the back in reneging on an agreement he claims was in place . Whether the two are linked , CW's feeling about him and the agreement he said was in place , i have absolutely no idea . But either way , hes not coming back . Whether he stays at Chesterfield or go's somewhere else i have no idea about . I have a feeling he will be leaving them , but who knows what will happen .

 

[Cerberus Blade]

I was giving my opinion which obviously means debate which by your reply disagrees with mineWho is johnny Leeds on RS ? I don't listen to RS as either at matches or at work. What has his opinion got to do with mine ?

Ok I can explain that to you. His name is Jonathan Buchan and he's a sports journalist on Radio Sheffield (RS). He is adamant, like you, that we don't need any more strikers, even though we've only got one at the club that can regularly score goals. That's what he's got to do with you mate - he's got the same ridiculous opinion. I notice you didn't answer my question btw - i.e. "who else apart from Billy Sharp is going to score the goals?".

I'll respond to your further post as well whilst I'm at it...

Yes I do understand why McCabe pulled the plug. It was because of the shitstorm that was blown up on social media by the Feminazi and the thing that upset McCabe most was the loss of sponsorship. In my view, and maybe this isn't yours ? this was a serious moral issue. A man had been judged by the Courts of this land to be free to be introduced back into to society and have the right to resume his employment, just like any other individual. McCabe offered him that, then took it away when it all became a bit uncomfortable. I don't know about you, but personally, I'm a man of my word. If I say I am going to do something I do it. McCabe didn't. He bottled it. Even worse, he obviously didn't even anticipate it in the first place! Which I find kind of strange! Like, really strange!! Just shows how forward-thinking he is doesn't it?

I'm sorry for the sarcasm btw - (it is a fault of mine) but I just found it incredible that you needed to ask a question like "Not be allowed by who - and on what belief is this based?" because you must have been living down a cave if the events of the previous years had passed you by - and you didn't know that McCabe had blocked his move and for what reasons - that's what I meant.

BTW - I'm from Derbyshire so I know about the caves there. They are very deep and very dark but fortunately I pop out from time to time to find out what's going on.

 

[South Bucks]

I really don't get all this sentimental nostagia for a player who didn't do much for us in our last season in the championship, only 9 goals in 35 appearances is not great and is part of the reason we were relegated. Defenders had him sussed at that level and the championship is probably an even higher standard now and Cheds a few years older and I hear a yard slower. I suspect we would all be disappointed with him next season if we go up. He had his chance to impress at that level and didn't take it. If it was just a deal until the end of the season maybe but historically we often give contracts of several years to has beens and then regret it later.

Shouldn't we be looking for someone who has a better chance of cutting it in the championship and for the team to finish above the relegation places and then build from there in seasons thereafter. Please lets move on and get someone better suited for where we want to go and not harp on about the past and lots of goals against far lesser opponents.

 

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

I really don't get all this sentimental nostagia for a player who didn't do much for us in our last season in the championship, only 9 goals in 35 appearances is not great and is part of the reason we were relegated. Defenders had him sussed at that level and the championship is probably an even higher standard now and Cheds a few years older and I hear a yard slower. I suspect we would all be disappointed with him next season if we go up. He had his chance to impress at that level and didn't take it. If it was just a deal until the end of the season maybe but historically we often give contracts of several years to has beens and then regret it later.

Shouldn't we be looking for someone who has a better chance of cutting it in the championship and for the team to finish above the relegation places and then build from there in seasons thereafter. Please lets move on and get someone better suited for where we want to go and not harp on about the past and lots of goals against far lesser opponents.

Any suggestions?

 

[awblade]

Because it's typical Bladey inferiority complex cap-doffing. If you lose 4-1 at home not one of your players has "run the show". It's axiomatic. Try saying it of one of our players next time we get battered at home by three goals.

Our whole team ran the show the other year against scunny, when we lost 4-0