The value of Done

[spongebobblade]

No. The vast majority were not at the top of their game. It happens. It's a very different proposition to "dogshit". Done was, and is, a poor footballer.

In your opinion. At the moment (and as I've said before maybe not long term) he's regularly being picked by Wilder ahead of others. I prefer to take his expertise over yours

 

[GrayBlade]

If it means we continue to score enough goals as a team and win our matches it can be done that way. But there are other options to look at, the main thing is that we're getting the balance right and have good attacking rhythm.

When I managed the hospital's team we often used our poorest players up front. They were instructed to press and chase, then the rest of the team would challenge/pick up what was often a poor forward pass. It was 7 a side, no restrictions on substitutions in and out, so sometimes we used three players in this forward role, each running riot (Done style) until he was exhausted, subbed with the next guy who did the same.

It often gave us a first half goal or two, very rarely scored by said strikers, but enough for us to win games against teams who found out too late that they were individually better than us.

Yeah I understand where you're coming from mate, I managed my company's team for a few years in the 90's and did the same thing on occasions.

If it's a case of needs must and it's working for now I agree we should just roll with it, but my concern is if it continued as-is beyond January what we'd do if we lost Sharp for the run in? Hopefully Done will get off the mark and kick on, or one of our other strikers will find their scoring boots on a regular basis, but as it is I'd like to see that scenario covered for, and I suspect Wilder will address it in January if nothing changes (if he's allowed to).

 

[BushBlade]

Yeah I understand where you're coming from mate, I managed my company's team for a few years in the 90's and did the same thing on occasions.

If it's a case of needs must and it's working for now I agree we should just roll with it, but my concern is if it continued as-is beyond January what we'd do if we lost Sharp for the run in? Hopefully Done will get off the mark and kick on, or one of our other strikers will find their scoring boots on a regular basis, but as it is I'd like to see that scenario covered for, and I suspect Wilder will address it in January if nothing changes (if he's allowed to).

We'd play Leon and have Done running around for him instead if CW doesn't bring someone in. Although I suspect he will anyway.

 

[Bladesway]

What's the worst that can happen? Chemistry between strikers is naturally going to happen regardless of what type of players they are – it's just a case of persevering for as long as it takes while ignoring all other signs to the contrary.

Consider it similar to the chemistry involved in being able to work out sarcasm on a forum post. It's only a matter of time...

Or the chemistry required to wonder what the fuck someone is on about?

 

[Bladesway]

Perhaps we always have to have a scapegoat? Mebbes that's just our way, despite being joint top and despite being dominant in the first half last night?

I mean, we were wobbly and toss when Done went off, but perhaps he's the scapegoat anyways, eh?

I blame him for putting too much effort in and not lasting 90 minutes. Wanker.

 

[Pinchy]

In your opinion. At the moment (and as I've said before maybe not long term) he's regularly being picked by Wilder ahead of others. I prefer to take his expertise over yours

So do I. It's a pretty safe bet that anything I say on here is my opinion. Quite often it turns out, also, to be the uncomfortable truth. Let's reconvene in the New Year.

If it were done when 'tis Done, then 'twere well it were done quickly.

Macbeth Act I; Scene VII.

Wm. Shakespeare

 

[Pinchy]

Hopefully Done will get off the mark and kick on...

It's very much a hope rather than an expectation though isn't it, Gray? Two in Forty odd games suggests a habit rather than a passing phase. No amount of running around can justify a non-striking striker indefinitely.

Job done, I'm afraid....

 

[spongebobblade]

So do I. It's a pretty safe bet that anything I say on here is my opinion. Quite often it turns out, also, to be the uncomfortable truth. Let's reconvene in the New Year.

If it were done when 'tis Done, then 'twere well it were done quickly.

Macbeth Act I; Scene VII.

Wm. Shakespeare

As I've said numerous times, I'm not saying he's the answer, just the best now and it was certainly working. Results spoke for themselves. Your "uncomfortable truth" was that you wanted Sharp upfront with Clarke and drop "runaround" at any cost. The real "uncomfortable truth" was that didn't work out too well did it? For now maybe but like I say, I'm happy to trust Wilders expertise

 

[GrayBlade]

It's very much a hope rather than an expectation though isn't it, Gray? Two in Forty odd games suggests a habit rather than a passing phase. No amount of running around can justify a non-striking striker indefinitely.

Job done, I'm afraid....

It is mate which is why I think Wilder will address it if he can. Under the new transfer rules we need players in the squad to cover every eventually, and it'd be unthinkable (IMO) to consider going into a promotion winning run with only one striker scoring. We've been there before with strikers more than once, and it still gives me night sweats.

 

[Tyler Durden]

The plain truth is that Wilder isn't going to listen to an arsehole on a forum with a vendetta, he's going to play the team which works and that catagorically includes Matt Done.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

So do I. It's a pretty safe bet that anything I say on here is my opinion. Quite often it turns out, also, to be the uncomfortable truth. Let's reconvene in the New Year.

If it were done when 'tis Done, then 'twere well it were done quickly.

Macbeth Act I; Scene VII.

Wm. Shakespeare

'''Tis possible to have a different view to that"

Pygmalion. Act I: Scene V111

George Bernard Shaw.

 

[Ricky]

We looked more of a threat when Lavery replaced Done. We won the game after Lavery replaced Done. We had a period where we were wide open with them getting space behind our midfield but to pin that on Done being taken off is ridiculous. It was more to do with both teams going for the 2nd goal.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

We are reaching the point where we have to have a secondary stricker that puts the ball in the net.

Done does have value to the team - but few goals

Clarke has value but few goals and the question of whether Sharp is as effective in the partnership.

We have to see if Lavery is the answer - CW has gone on record as saying if the forwards can't cut it - then he will change it or bring in others. I doubt he means Billy.

I am sure the team needs to see Sharp and Lavery to see if it at least works. There were signs last night (v Coventry) that it has potential.

CW has now until the end of January to see if it works and before the JTW closes, so chances are we will see Lavery not just getting 5 minutes near the end. Thought it was quite significant that he came on and had 30 minutes last night, following on from his goal v Swindon and starting v Bolton.

Go on - i'll not sit on the fence and reckon Lavery will start at home v Oldham with Sharp.

UTB

 

[Bartyblade]

We looked more of a threat when Lavery replaced Done. We won the game after Lavery replaced Done. We had a period where we were wide open with them getting space behind our midfield but to pin that on Done being taken off is ridiculous. It was more to do with both teams going for the 2nd goal.

But hadn't we also replaced Coutts by the time we scored?

 

[BushBlade]

But hadn't we also replaced Coutts by the time we scored?

I thought we'd replaced him with Hammond just before kick off.

 

[PokerBlade]

Clearly there's a lot of merit to starting Done. We aren't doing it just for the sake of it and we haven't been winning games in spite of him. Our best line ups have been with him doing the donkey work.

Now, if the question is "can we find a better striker than Done?", I think the answer is clearly yes, but it needs to be someone who doesn't upset the balance of the team. Lavery looks quick, his work rate was good, and he was a real threat, so I think that earns him a chance next game or very soon. Personally, I'd do it on Boxing Day so that we can have a good look at him in a proper game before the JTW opens.

 

[spongebobblade]

Clearly there's a lot of merit to starting Done. We aren't doing it just for the sake of it and we haven't been winning games in spite of him. Our best line ups have been with him doing the donkey work.

Now, if the question is "can we find a better striker than Done?", I think the answer is clearly yes, but it needs to be someone who doesn't upset the balance of the team. Lavery looks quick, his work rate was good, and he was a real threat, so I think that earns him a chance next game or very soon. Personally, I'd do it on Boxing Day so that we can have a good look at him in a proper game before the JTW opens.

Whether it be Boxing Day or soon after I reckon Lavery will get a chance before Wilder dives into the market. He certainly looked capable last night. Can he do it consistently will be the big question

 

[joshua thompson]

You've witnessed it today.

First half they were one of best sides I have seen visit us this year. When allowed to play from back they are dangerous. Done has cut them at the source.

3 nil up and he is pressing them, forcing errors and reclaiming possession.

Even with missing a first half 1 on 1, Superb performance.

... We seem to score goals when he is in the side too! His style of play closing people down and giving no team suits us with the like of Landell in defence winning all the headers and getting back into the oppositions half.

I think he is key for us this season and that is because of his work-rate. Yes he needs work on his finishing, but we are getting goals all round the pitch and Sharp, so whilst it is working and he is playing well lets keep him in the side.

 

[Rodley]

We looked more of a threat when Lavery replaced Done. We won the game after Lavery replaced Done. We had a period where we were wide open with them getting space behind our midfield but to pin that on Done being taken off is ridiculous. It was more to do with both teams going for the 2nd goal.

Who is thy moaning about now?

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

The Valley of Don(e)