Billy and Pens

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7 of 9 eh?...................Hmmmmm........I can think of another 7 of 9 much more convincing as an art form
 
What happened to just trying to take a good penalty? It seems there is more thought going into second guessing the keeper and the pattern of previous pens than there is of actually applying good technique.

Call me old school but putting pens down the middle is a crap pen. It relies so much on chance as opposed to execution. It probably stemmed from years of players aiming for the corners and the keepers starting to guess to give themselves a chance.

To me neither of these leaps of logic made sufficient sense. By not guessing, you probably decrease your chance of saving a few pretty good penalties but there are a lot more not so well executed one you don't start diving out of the way of.

To my original point, if Billy had been practicing going for the bottom or top corners, where if struck hard enough it's not physically possible for the keeper to stop them, then he'd have more chance of scoring but you have to question whether he has the technique. His game is about instinct and anticipation, not necessarily great technique.

I'd give the job to Coutts, given his accuracy with both feet st the corner challenge and his success in preseason and the recent shootout he would be next in line for me. Fleck missed in the last shoot out.
 
There are only two types of penalty - good and bad.

The good ones go in, the bad ones stay out.

Gets on my worryingly enlarging tits when commentators/fans describe a saved/missed penalty as a well struck effort and it 'wasn't technically a bad penalty' - yes it was, it didn't go in.
 
Champagneblade said:
I'd give the job to Coutts, given his accuracy with both feet st the corner challenge and his success in preseason and the recent shootout he would be next in line for me. Fleck missed in the last shoot out.
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Paul Coutts:

292 professional appearances, all as a midfielder
7 goals

I'd rather have Moore take them.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
There are only two types of penalty - good and bad.

The good ones go in, the bad ones stay out.

Gets on my worryingly enlarging tits when commentators/fans describe a saved/missed penalty as a well struck effort and it 'wasn't technically a bad penalty' - yes it was, it didn't go in.
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It takes two though. You can hit a really good pen but the keeper makes a fantastic save. It happens. Keepers are fucking huge these days and are capable of covering almost all the goal.
And you can hit a shit pen but the keeper dives early, the wrong way and it goes in. Doesn't make it a good pen, just lucky.
 



BushBlade said:
It takes two though. You can hit a really good pen but the keeper makes a fantastic save. It happens. Keepers are fucking huge these days and are capable of covering almost all the goal.
And you can hit a shit pen but the keeper dives early, the wrong way and it goes in. Doesn't make it a good pen, just lucky.
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Sorry, have to agree to disagree.

A scuffed bobbling penalty that trickles in is a good penalty, because its gone in.

A brilliantly struck effort heading right in the top corner but amazingly saved is still bad one, because you haven't scored.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
You obviously didn't see the penalties Coutts scored for the U21s/reserves (whatever they are called) last season.100% record.
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I've got a 100% record too. But like Coutts, I have never taken one in league football. We have better candidates than someone who makes Monty look like Alan Shearer.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
Sorry, have to agree to disagree.

A scuffed bobbling penalty that trickles in is a good penalty, because its gone in.

A brilliantly struck effort heading right in the top corner but amazingly saved is still bad one, because you haven't scored.
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I understood what you wrote in your first post but I disagree. I can't really add any more to that because it's my opinion, there isn't really a factually correct answer. But you're wrong, a lucky shit pen is a lucky shit pen. ;)
 
BushBlade said:
Some players just can't take pens. It's not technique, it's mental. Too much thinking about it beforehand and too much pressure; affects the legs.
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I think that was the problem last night, missed his last penalty, late in the match and must score.
 
Revolution said:
I've got a 100% record too. But like Coutts, I have never taken one in league football. We have better candidates than someone who makes Monty look like Alan Shearer.
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After watching Coutts pass when he had a great chance to take a shot from outside the box in front of the Kop last night, I'd put Coutts at the bottom of the list of penalty takers.

Coutts is so shot shy it's unreal.
 
I just hope he hands over the duties to someone else himself. I wouldn't want to knock his confidence any further by having Wilder tell him he's not on them anymore. It would be a lot braver of Billy to say "I'm gonna let someone else have crack next time" then put needless pressure on himself by stepping up for the next one
 
I'd get Fleck on them. Get him practicing hitting the top third of the goal with power 2 or 3 yards either side of centre. I'd trust his technique more than anyone's.

If not him then Duffy.
 
YES Blade said:
After watching Coutts pass when he had a great chance to take a shot from outside the box in front of the Kop last night, I'd put Coutts at the bottom of the list of penalty takers.

Coutts is so shot shy it's unreal.
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You don't have to score goals in open play to qualify as a good penalty taker you know.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
You don't have to score goals in open play to qualify as a good penalty taker you know.
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I realise that, but Coutts doesn't seem to like the responsibility of shooting (probably cause he's got a poor shot), so that doesn't qualify him as a decent penalty taker in my opinion.
 
Ricky said:
I'd get Fleck on them. Get him practicing hitting the top third of the goal with power 2 or 3 yards either side of centre. I'd trust his technique more than anyone's.

If not him then Duffy.
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Agree. The two players players who've got the bollocks to take the game by the scuff of the neck when it's dwindling or the crowd are turning.
Our best player in Fleck or our attacking pivot in Duffy. Give either of them responsbility.
 
What's happened to the Billy that ran Bradford ragged? Not been the same player since the missed pen against Shrewsbury.
 



YES Blade said:
I realise that, but Coutts doesn't seem to like the responsibility of shooting (probably cause he's got a poor shot), so that doesn't qualify him as a decent penalty taker in my opinion.
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I don't get it at all me. He's got great technique, a great driven pass and can usually put it wherever he wants it. If he could just hit it towards goal like a sort of harder driven pass into the corner he'd score a good few.
He seems to let his nerves get to him.
 
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