Billy Dive?

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it was soft.... But we also had 2 absolutely nailed on pens in the second half.
 
It looked soft and what suprises me, why would he dive if he is one on one, but its about time we deserved a bit of luck :rolleyes:
 
Thanks for the clip of this game.

Yes it was a dive, clear and simple.

but its about time we deserved a bit of luck

The problem is, its blatant cheating and needs erradicating from the game.
 
I must admit that I thought that any contact was outside the box but that Billy tripped, rather than dived. I was surprised it was given but then again, I'm always surprised when an official gives a decision our way :)

As for the other two penalty claims... I don't think the Quinny one was a penalty. By the time he was bundled over, the ball had been claimed by the goalkeeper.

The other one... possibly?

Goes to show... teams in form tend to have the luck at the expense of ones who could really do with it.
 
Not in this wide, wide world of sport was that a penalty on Saturday, and I agree with Robbie, in that it was blatant cheating. If he wasn't diving for the penalty, then why claim it?
 
Having just watched the replay for the first time.... Definately not a penalty. But if he was mistakingly giving it, then it had to be a sending off.

The only concellation is that Sharp's appeals were a bit half hearted and he can't have been arguing that it was a pen with the Leicester players, as they didn't seem too incenced with him after their initial "discussions" :)

Hope its not the start of a trend though, theres nothing I hate more from ANY player than blatent cheating.

Hope it doesn't hinder our chances further of gaining genuine decisions too, because we struggle enough as it is (obviously this one being an exception :D)
 
thing is though, he got a tug so hes going to go down.

Mellor did it a preston, got a slight tug and went down in the area why cant billy?

I hate divers but things do even themselves out.

RE the s.quinny pen appeal. was bang in front of me and it was the worst of the lot, he was running with the ball, got tugged in the box then when hes taking a stride to shoot gets a blatant shove in the back.
 
thing is though, he got a tug so hes going to go down.

He got a tug, carried on and then went down.

Mellor did it a preston, got a slight tug and went down in the area why cant billy?

Because that wasn't a penalty either.

However at least there was contact in the area for the Mellor penalty.
 
Gerrard got a penalty for no contact,

Billy got contact, tried to carry on but lost his balance ;)

we should have had at least another penalty even if that wasnt. And if it was a free kick, he had to walk as he was the last defender anyway,
 
Gerrard got a penalty for no contact

We all know what people think to that decision.

Billy got contact, tried to carry on but lost his balance ;)

I would agree if it was in one fell swoop. But he gets pulled, carries on, loses balance, goes down and then claims.

we should have had at least another penalty even if that wasnt.

This not on dispute, but you're right.

And if it was a free kick, he had to walk as he was the last defender anyway,

I do agree.
 
Well, after looking at that again I am pretty disappointed in Sharp for doing that, I really hope we don't start having to lower ourselves to the standard of cheating that goes on in the game today, we're better than that.
 



i dont think iv seen billy play where he hasnt dived in a game? its part of his game and its what he does, its not pleasing to see, but to be honest i know il probably get slated for saying this but if it works and helps us win games then i dont mind!
 
Whats that owd sayin........... if yer can't beat em....join em.

Not that i agree wi 'diving' but in my opinion SUFC have had sum reight bad decisions against us...........another couple of thousand our way will balance things up.......
 
Whats that owd sayin........... if yer can't beat em....join em.

Not that i agree wi 'diving' but in my opinion SUFC have had sum reight bad decisions against us...........another couple of thousand our way will balance things up.......

It seems a sorry state in football but when those at the top do it and get away with it, the others can only follow.

I've read many people saying it was a blatant dive but from where I was on the halfway line, it certainly had me fooled if so. There was contact and his momentum carried him into the box. I've seen worse dives on a Bramall Lane pitch... Jack Lester springs to mind.

The only thing that will eradicate the erroneous decisions by the referees is video playback. Until then, I suppose it's a free-for-all.
 
i for one dont want that sort of technology in the game, although yes it would stop bad decisions and and bring in a general fairness, isn't football to a sense all about injustices against your own team and that bad decision that cost us the game? what would we have to moan about in the pub? Although bad referee's are the most fustrating and annoying things in the world at times, would football be the same with out them?

Its hard to put my point across but I hope you get the jist as to what im saying
 
I remember Kabba's pointless dive against Palace a few years ago when he had sprinted clear of Palace's slow defence, was 1 on 1 with Kiraly and he could have just lobbed the man in Matalan-brand-tracky-bottoms. Then there was Ifill's dive against Rotherham in a friendly.
 
Its hard to put my point across but I hope you get the jist as to what im saying

I do. I've got mixed feelings on it myself.

I think football would become very... robotic if they allowed such technology to come in. Like you said, wrong decisions are all part and parcel of the game. And who's to say what the video referee sees will also be correct (and non-biased)?

On the other hand, when you've been shafted as many time as we have... we could probably only benefit from it. Liverpool on the other hand, I can see them being dead set against it ;)
 
On the other hand, when you've been shafted as many time as we have... we could probably only benefit from it. Liverpool on the other hand, I can see them being dead set against it ;)

oh so very true!!

Its a very difficult topic to comment on, if they do bring it in then into what aspects? goal line decisions? bad challanges? are possible offside decisions allowed to be played to see the outcome then called back after the video ref has viewed it? I think it would be extremely hard to bring into the game and for that reason cant see it happening!

Although you are right, it would defintely benefit us, but then it wouldnt be football if we got treated fairly
 
It seems a sorry state in football but when those at the top do it and get away with it, the others can only follow.

I've read many people saying it was a blatant dive but from where I was on the halfway line, it certainly had me fooled if so. There was contact and his momentum carried him into the box. I've seen worse dives on a Bramall Lane pitch... Jack Lester springs to mind.
The only thing that will eradicate the erroneous decisions by the referees is video playback. Until then, I suppose it's a free-for-all.

Nah. John Greaves (the old kitman) in Dane's testimonial was the finest!

Although Saturday's decision for the penalty (which looked stonewall from where I was at the back of the Kop; the best view clearly!) was obviously wrong from the playback, what I think people miss is what happens afterwards in a game as fast-flowing as football.

What would have happened on Saturday? Linesman awards the penalty after the referee asks an opinion.

Now the referee goes to the video referee as there is uncertainty. The video referee deems that Billy has dived, and so receives a yellow card, but the last defender tugged a shirt as the last man and should be booked for tugging a shirt, but it's a free kick for the original foul. Or should the 'attempt' to cheat a penalty take precedence, and a free kick be given to Leicester for the cheating, or was it a real tug, and so the defender gets a red for a professional foul, or then again .......

This sort of thing could go on forever, and as we all know, even if we're watching a flowing, passing side, or long ball, hoof-it merchants, football is a fast game.

I played Union for years, and I'm obsessed with cricket too, and even in those two sports, which have regular and implemented breaks, videos don't work all the time. Cyclops gets it wrong at Wimbledon, to the human eye. Makes me wonder what's better really.

Personally, I think video technology would muddy waters even more, which are already opaque.

oh so very true!!

Its a very difficult topic to comment on, if they do bring it in then into what aspects? goal line decisions? bad challanges? are possible offside decisions allowed to be played to see the outcome then called back after the video ref has viewed it? I think it would be extremely hard to bring into the game and for that reason cant see it happening!

Although you are right, it would defintely benefit us, but then it wouldnt be football if we got treated fairly

How many offside decisions do you see on Match Of The Day, where people disagree about the video evidence?

Lawro: "Take it from there. His left big toe nail puts him offside."

Dixon: "But you're not noticing the wafting bootlace on the full back which counts as part of his body under the new FA and FIFA directive."

That sort of bollocks.

Goal line decisions? What if a keeper smothers the ball on the goal line, and then is bundled over from a possible foul? Is it a goal or is it a free kick?

I blame America and FIFA.

Actually no. I blame FIFA for being stupid enough to award the 1994 World Cup to the inbreds over the pond. All the silly changes (and constant changes since) have all been after FIFA tried to sell an uncomplicated game to stupid people who insist on complications. You should never over egg the pudding.

Football is not complex, and sport isn't fair, and never has been.

i for one dont want that sort of technology in the game, although yes it would stop bad decisions and and bring in a general fairness, isn't football to a sense all about injustices against your own team and that bad decision that cost us the game? what would we have to moan about in the pub? Although bad referee's are the most fustrating and annoying things in the world at times, would football be the same with out them?

Its hard to put my point across but I hope you get the jist as to what im saying

Agreed entirely.
 
i for one dont want that sort of technology in the game, although yes it would stop bad decisions and and bring in a general fairness, isn't football to a sense all about injustices against your own team and that bad decision that cost us the game? what would we have to moan about in the pub? Although bad referee's are the most fustrating and annoying things in the world at times, would football be the same with out them?

Its hard to put my point across but I hope you get the jist as to what im saying

I get the jist yeah, and i see what you mean. It is all part and parcel of the game as much as it is frustrating like you said.
 
Totally agree with all this. One point to add though! Video evidence is used for incidents that referees haven't seen to impose punishments for fouls etc. why is it not used for diving? Don't stop the game but view incidents afterwards and if it is a dive in the opinionof the panel, a ban. Long bans for serial offenders, big fines for the managers of teams who are regular offenders. The instruction will quickly go out to 'stay on your feet'!
 



his clearances, shooting, crossing all end up in the same place.

Row ZZ! :D:D:D
 

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