Billy and Pens

[Ldn_Rd_Blades]

Didnt include the penalty shootout at Fleetwood in the JPT

You can't include shootouts

 

[Silent Blade]

You can't include shootouts

Of course you can. A penalty is a penalty whether it is during normal time, extra time our shoot out

 

[Silent Blade]

One at Mansfield was he only miss i think when he swapped from his favourite corner

Also missed at Plymouth in April 1980

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Yep. I so wish we had someone else to take those late pressure penalties at Gillingham and Scunthorpe

For me, he's the player I'd trust the most in a high pressure situation, regardless of the few he's missed. I don't actually know who else out of the squad would be best suited to take them either tbh – none stand out as obvious candidates.

 

[Bladesway]

Have the 7 out of 9 looked convincing to you ?

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Stop it for fucks sake. Do they count less if they aren't convincing? Usually you put the bloke who hits the net most on penalties because guess what, he is best at hitting the net. It's not like he is shit is it?

 

[DronnieBlade]

Stop it for fucks sake. Do they count less if they aren't convincing? Usually you put the bloke who hits the net most on penalties because guess what, he is best at hitting the net. It's not like he is shit is it?

Entirely dismissing the valid points I have made. As is your prerogative.

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[Bladesway]

Always puzzles me why footballers don't go for the top corner with pens everytime, no matter who the goal keeper is or if he guesses the right way they aren't saving them if they are in the top corner.

Putting it in the top corner is the highest risk in every sense. As soon as you elevate a ball you lose an element of control. As soon as you aim for a corner you increase the risk of missing. The harder you hit it the harder it is to control.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Stop it for fucks sake. Do they count less if they aren't convincing? Usually you put the bloke who hits the net most on penalties because guess what, he is best at hitting the net. It's not like he is shit is it?

Beat me to it.

What a stupid fucking thing to say.

 

[Bladesway]

Entirely dismissing the valid points I have made. As is your prerogative.

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Because in my opinion your point is null and void. Next penalty we may decide to change because Billy missed. I'd doubt it though.

 

[bartman]

Also missed at Plymouth in April 1980

Ignore. just seen the post above

 

[Silent Blade]

didn't Peter Duffield have a 100% record for us ?

Yes for our 1st team, reserves and juniors

 

[DronnieBlade]

As is evident, when it comes to all things Billy Sharp, opinions are most certainly divided !

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[Lazerblade]

It was only a matter of time before a keeper just stood still.
Billy's goal yesterday was an excellent finish. The keeper got a touch on it but too much power.
When he has time to think about it he isn't as effective, granted his conversion rate is very good but he doesn't look like a natural penalty taker. Blackman, Beattie yes, Billy no. Coutts passes them in he may be an option, whatever CW will make the right decision.

 

[Harry's Game]

Putting it in the top corner is the highest risk in every sense. As soon as you elevate a ball you lose an element of control. As soon as you aim for a corner you increase the risk of missing. The harder you hit it the harder it is to control.

Accept all that, but it's stll the best way of giving the keeper no chance of saving it.

 

[bladesmanluke]

I'm never confident when Billy steps up for a penalty to be honest. It's more of a relief if it goes in. Didn't he miss 2 out of 3 in one game last season?
Quality finish for his goal mind

 

[Bladesway]

Accept all that, but it's stll the best way of giving the keeper no chance of saving it.

There are few good enough in my opinion. I've never seen a player yet who can consistently hit the top corner.

 

[GrayBlade]

How good was his goal? A great pass from Fleck and a superb run and finish from Billy wasn't it? I thought I'd bring it up it as it's barely got a mention, and yet his miss has a 3 page and rising thread to itself.

Sharp has stepped up and scored two penalties late in games when the pressure has been really on and won us points. Do we actually know if anybody else has got the bottle to take them under these circumstances and if they have would they'd have scored? I assume Wilder might do though.

Nothing is broken, why do some keep on trying to fix things until we need to?

 

[bartman]

I'm never confident when Billy steps up for a penalty to be honest. It's more of a relief if it goes in. Didn't he miss 2 out of 3 in one game last season?
Quality finish for his goal mind

Nope. One was saved but the keeper was about six yards off his line when it was taken so the penalty was taken again which he scored. He missed one penalty out of two 'allowed' penalties that game

 

[Tyler Durden]

How good was his goal? A great pass from Fleck and a superb run and finish from Billy wasn't it? I thought I'd bring it up it as it's barely got a mention, and yet his miss has a 3 page and rising thread to itself.

Sharp has stepped up and scored two penalties late in games when the pressure has been really on and won us points. Do we actually know if anybody else has got the bottle to take them under these circumstances and if they have would they'd have scored? I assume Wilder might do though.

Nothing is broken, why do some keep on trying to fix it until we really need to?

A hundred times this ^^^

 

[bladesmanluke]

Nope. One was saved but the keeper was about six yards off his line when it was taken so the penalty was taken again which he scored. He missed one penalty out of two 'allowed' penalties that game

That sounds about right. Still, his penalty technique is a concern.

 

[Roygbiv]

I dont know who would be better? Fleck maybe?

not sure why fleck isn't taking them. smash the ball or place it, i know the lad can do both

Wasn't Fleck the only player to miss in the shoot out against Leicester in the twat cup?

 

[BushBlade]

There are few good enough in my opinion. I've never seen a player yet who can consistently hit the top corner.

I saw someone miss one aimed for the top corner very recently but I'm buggered if I can recall who it was right now. Low and into the side netting for me, unless it's a late pen when you're a couple of goals up and you want to get some variation in your pens so the next time it's a bit harder to read.

 

[BushBlade]

Wasn't Fleck the only player to miss in the shoot out against Leicester in the twat cup?

Some players just can't take pens. It's not technique, it's mental. Too much thinking about it beforehand and too much pressure; affects the legs.

 

[JohnDenver]

It was only a matter of time before a keeper just stood still.

It was, but I've been watching United for 25 years and never seen one saved in the manner it was yesterday.

 

[Hodgyman]

Having been a goalkeeper for a good number of years and a goalkeeping coach for even more I always used the principle of standing up to penalties rather than guessing left or right. In this way, one down the middle becomes easy (as yesterday) and if aimed either side there is still a chance of getting to it unless tucked right into the corners. (This is goalkeeping coaching as per "Hodgy" himself)

More and more keepers today tend to commit to dive one way or the other in the majority of cases. In this situation,the hard shot at head height towards the middle has the most chance of success statistically. Billy chose the best option on the day based on the above.
Research in advance of the game can sway the statistics of success or failure significantly. The likes of "You Tube" makes this job easier these days where goalkeepers or penalty takers can see if their potential opponent has a tendency to favour a particular method.
By making the approach more random, players can deliberately change their method or sometimes teams can change their penalty taker to confuse the opposition keeper and nullify any advance research he has performed.

Here endeth the Sunday Sermon

 

[sheffielder]

L1 top scorer stuff aside. And putting the side ahead of personal goals / targets.

It's time to come off pens fella.

We have better dead ball specialists who should be on pens.

Hit and hope just isn't good enough I'm afraid.

Not a criticism. Probably Tuftys first name on team sheet and rightly so.

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Wind your neck in

 

[Bayingblade]

Billy just needs to vary his penalty taking every now and again and he will be ok. As it was though, I guess there were about 20,000 in BDTBL yesterday who would have stood their ground and saved it. Sorry, 20,001 because their goalie had done his homework and never moved. Pop one in the corner Billy lad and everything will be fine

 

[DronnieBlade]

Wind your neck in

Constructive as I have come to expect

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[Alfreton14Blade]

Got to credit the goalie really. He'd have looked a mug if Billy had slotted it in the corner, but no more so than a goalie choosing which way to dive beforehand & diving the wrong way.

 

[Blade58]

Think there was/is a thread knocking about on 'best Penalty takers'..wonder where Billy would figure?

I'm guessing no one had a 100% record for the club?

Did Blackman?