Adkins to get a pop at ending our unbeaten run?

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Yewsman said:
I have no idea what Hammond is currently doing. Not heard sight nor sound of him. Presumably he is living very comfortably on the proceeds of his pay out by SUFC. Anyone know if he has got another job?
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He's got a job at a leisure centre - he's the one who whistles at you for getting out of the pool not using the steps .
 



I like Adkins, because he's not our manager anymore!!!!!!!!!
 
zablade said:
They will definitely show some endeavour and honesty during their relegation to League two.
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And some 'robustness'. Dont forget the robustness. We were particularly 'robust' at picking the ball out of our own net last season. Whilst Hammond was showing heaps of robustness as he fell over his own feet and continually gave cheap free kicks away. I miss those heady days of 'robustness'.
 
Bladesman said:
Adkins should think again before going to Charlton. He has shown he struggles to cope at clubs with dysfunctional boardrooms.

Good luck to him but he should look elsewhere.
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On the other hand, at Southampton, he took over a squad of good players who were underperforming. I’d say Charlton’s squad is good on paper. It depends on what the dressing room is like though. It might need a real disciplinarian to come in which Adkins is not. But his arm round the shoulder approach might just lift them. Good managers don’t become bad ones over night but they can be wrong for the needs of certain clubs. I’ll watch with interest if Adkins gets a job in our league as I like him as a manager, even if he wasn’t right for us in the circumstances he inherited last season.
 
Funnily enough, if Adkins is boss then I'm not in the slightest bit concerned about charlton beating us
 
1danewhitehouse said:
On the other hand, at Southampton, he took over a squad of good players who were underperforming. I’d say Charlton’s squad is good on paper. It depends on what the dressing room is like though. It might need a real disciplinarian to come in which Adkins is not. But his arm round the shoulder approach might just lift them. Good managers don’t become bad ones over night but they can be wrong for the needs of certain clubs. I’ll watch with interest if Adkins gets a job in our league as I like him as a manager, even if he wasn’t right for us in the circumstances he inherited last season.
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a squad of good players is a bit of an understatement. I think your right that good managers dont become bad overnight but I think he never was a good manager. He was just lucky to get good squads when he took over clubs and the players pretty much did it themselves. From experience at the Lane he was fucking clueless from pretty much day one and showed no signs of any tactics or management skills and he was terrible in the transfer market.
 
Ted Danson said:
a squad of good players is a bit of an understatement. I think your right that good managers dont become bad overnight but I think he never was a good manager. He was just lucky to get good squads when he took over clubs and the players pretty much did it themselves. From experience at the Lane he was fucking clueless from pretty much day one and showed no signs of any tactics or management skills and he was terrible in the transfer market.
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Doesn't explain rebuilding Scunny after relegation and taking them back up though.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Doesn't explain rebuilding Scunny after relegation and taking them back up though.
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dont know enough about the Scunthorp team at that time but lots of people put the team building down to Laws. All I can really have an opinion on is what Ive seen and my eyes tell me that Adkins is a shite manager, just someone full of meaningless words and business man speak where they say lots but actually say nothing.

Also league 1 is actually a very shit league and it doesnt take much to get out of it, how we've manged to fuck it up so hard is remarkable. just look at Barnsley last season, you can be around the bottom of the league at crimbo and still get promoted, all you need is a good run. So maybe he had a little luck and got promoted, he certainly didnt cement them as a championship club
 
Ted Danson said:
dont know enough about the Scunthorp team at that time but lots of people put the team building down to Laws. All I can really have an opinion on is what Ive seen and my eyes tell me that Adkins is a shite manager, just someone full of meaningless words and business man speak where they say lots but actually say nothing.

Also league 1 is actually a very shit league and it doesnt take much to get out of it, how we've manged to fuck it up so hard is remarkable. just look at Barnsley last season, you can be around the bottom of the league at crimbo and still get promoted, all you need is a good run. So maybe he had a little luck and got promoted, he certainly didnt cement them as a championship club
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He took over from Laws mid-season to get them up. Then they went back down at which point he rebuilt the team with about 10 new players and took them back up before Southampton came knocking. He also had success at Bangor. Yes, I know it's Bangor but success is success.

With us, yeah he talked shit at times but he never got a chance to make a team in his own image due to the albatross of a 40 man squad round his neck with little quality.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
He took over from Laws mid-season to get them up. Then they went back down at which point he rebuilt the team with about 10 new players and took them back up before Southampton came knocking. He also had success at Bangor. Yes, I know it's Bangor but success is success.

With us, yeah he talked shit at times but he never got a chance to make a team in his own image due to the albatross of a 40 man squad round his neck with little quality.
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Just as a devils advocate type thing, if you could go back to that time and you could hire Wilder or Adkins at that time knowing what you know now who would you have chosen?
 
Ted Danson said:
a squad of good players is a bit of an understatement. I think your right that good managers dont become bad overnight but I think he never was a good manager. He was just lucky to get good squads when he took over clubs and the players pretty much did it themselves. From experience at the Lane he was fucking clueless from pretty much day one and showed no signs of any tactics or management skills and he was terrible in the transfer market.
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Back to back promotions is lucky. Dave Bassett was one lucky bastard,

1danewhitehouse said:
On the other hand, at Southampton, he took over a squad of good players who were underperforming. I’d say Charlton’s squad is good on paper. It depends on what the dressing room is like though. It might need a real disciplinarian to come in which Adkins is not. But his arm round the shoulder approach might just lift them. Good managers don’t become bad ones over night but they can be wrong for the needs of certain clubs. I’ll watch with interest if Adkins gets a job in our league as I like him as a manager, even if he wasn’t right for us in the circumstances he inherited last season.
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I think he was the right man just at the wrong time for us especially with the club wanting a clear out of players.
 



Bladesman said:
Back to back promotions is lucky. Dave Bassett was one lucky bastard,

I think he was the right man just at the wrong time for us especially with the club wanting a clear out of players.
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so you think when Basset took over we had players of the quality of Lallana, Shniderlin, Oxlade Chamberlin, Lambert, Antonio, Punceon etc?

We may have had one as good as Dean Hammond

Which of his qualities makes you think he was the right man but the wrong time. Just what was his best quality? I couldnt see any.
 
Ted Danson said:
so you think when Basset took over we had players of the quality of Lallana, Shniderlin, Oxlade Chamberlin, Lambert, Antonio, Punceon etc?

We may have had one as good as Dean Hammond

Which of his qualities makes you think he was the right man but the wrong time. Just what was his best quality? I couldnt see any.
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You mean that great team of quality that Pardew couldn't get promoted?

Building successful teams, promoting young players, improving the overall fitness of players (Dean Hammond an exception but thats more old age than fitness). I think they are his best qualities and I think we would have seen them shine through had he been given longer. It is clear we don't have time for long term planning, we want out of this division yesterday. So managers like Adkins at this moment in time are no good for us but if we were a Championship club it maybe a different story.

It is pretty clear where it went wrong last season and I don't disagree Adkins takes his share of the blame for it. Although like I have said what went against him was the retained list, the musical chairs going on in the boardroom and a squad of players most who knew they would be gone at the end of the season if not before.

Anyway we could debate this at length forever, I hope he goes on to redeem his reputation. Good luck to him.
 
Bladesman said:
You mean that great team of quality that Pardew couldn't get promoted?

Building successful teams, promoting young players, improving the overall fitness of players (Dean Hammond an exception but thats more old age than fitness). I think they are his best qualities and I think we would have seen them shine through had he been given longer. It is clear we don't have time for long term planning, we want out of this division yesterday. So managers like Adkins at this moment in time are no good for us but if we were a Championship club it maybe a different story.

It is pretty clear where it went wrong last season and I don't disagree Adkins takes his share of the blame for it. Although like I have said what went against him was the retained list, the musical chairs going on in the boardroom and a squad of players most who knew they would be gone at the end of the season if not before.

Anyway we could debate this at length forever, I hope he goes on to redeem his reputation. Good luck to him.
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Tbf, Pardew did have a points deduction to contend with.

But overall, Adkins record at Scunty and Southampton is too good to be just luck.
 
Nigel Adkins was an absolute unmitigated disaster as United manager. He was absolutely abysmal in the transfer market, tactically he was very very poor, and he made some absolutely shocking decisions. Most matches i went to last season i would hear his comments and wonder if he had actually been to the same game as me.

He had a lengthy period of grace, during last season the side progressively got worse, and after his comments after the last match of the season he was rightfully sacked.

And i don't miss shite like him going about the biggest room in his house being the room for improvement, pressure making diamonds, and the wisdom of geese.

It was a huge shame it ended up like it did, as i really did want him to do well and thought we had bagged ourselves a great manager, but he turned out to the biggest dud going.
 
BushBlade said:
Tbf, Pardew did have a points deduction to contend with.

But overall, Adkins record at Scunty and Southampton is too good to be just luck.
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Adkins got Scunny promoted, relegated and then promoted again then kept them in the Championship before moving to Southampton. That was only 5 years or so ago but obviously pure luck mate, any of us could have done that.

Wilder's right hand man Alan Knill had a go at it and failed though. Must be that bad luck McCabe keeps going on about.
 
My take on this:

- it's very hard to tell before you hire a manager whether he will do a good job or not, even if they have previous experience

- there are a few managers who do well or over achieve wherever they go (Ferguson and Pulis spring to mind) but it is not clear why this is

- even great managers have bad spells on their CVs (Clough at Leeds and Brighton)

- managers can be great at certain clubs and poor at others. Check out Paul Jewell's career - great at Bradford and Wigan, no good at Wednesday and Derby.

- managers can "lose it" (see Haslam, Harry) or be good managers defeated by circumstances beyond their control.

- its a very hard job and hard to do it well.

My conclusion? Nigel Adkins was a good manager at Scunthorpe and Southampton, and a bad one for us, and there's nothing particularly unusual about that.
 
Bladesman said:
Adkins got Scunny promoted, relegated and then promoted again then kept them in the Championship before moving to Southampton. That was only 5 years or so ago but obviously pure luck mate, any of us could have done that.

Wilder's right hand man Alan Knill had a go at it and failed though. Must be that bad luck McCabe keeps going on about.
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I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or you've misread it but I'll give it a like anyway.
 
elgoog44 said:
Just as a devils advocate type thing, if you could go back to that time and you could hire Wilder or Adkins at that time knowing what you know now who would you have chosen?
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In the summer of 2015 you mean? If so, it’s a difficult one. On the one hand, Wilder has done exceptionally well so far and the logical reaction therefore seems that we should have appointed him. However, I think last season was such a clusterfuck for reasons beyond Adkins that I wonder (a) how well Wilder would have done with that awful squad stuck on contracts and (b) whether we’d have sacked him if he didn’t succeed. The danger then being that we wouldn’t have the benefit of him here this season.


During the summer, I was annoyed we’d sacked Adkins because I didn’t think he got a fair crack given the circumstances last season. I was interested to see how he would do with a chance to rebuild the squad. As it turns out, Wilder has done very well so with hindsight, it’s probably the right call (though none of us know how well Adkins would have done).
 
Slug said:
How anyone can even attempt to defend Adkins is beyond me. The guy was a fraud of the highest order
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It’s strange that Adkins and Clough are looked on with such disparity. Clough seems to have a lot of fans here still (and a fair share of detractors I know). He had a chance of a complete rebuild having been here the season before and controlling a retained list meaning he had a similar clean slate to Wilder and was afforded the luxury of signing 20 odd players including paying £1.5-2 million for one of them. Adkins inherited a squad not of his choosing, had his star player (Murphy) sold straight away and was without the next best player (Brayford) for most of the season through injury. He was able to sign less players than any other league 1 club during his one season here (Only paying one fee- allegedly £500k). On top of the Murphy sale, he moved out, either on loan or permanently, around 20 players to get the wage bill down during the course of the season. Despite all of that, I think he amassed something like 6 or 7 points less than Clough. Sure he dropped a bollock with Woolford, Hammond and Sammon but Clough gave us James Wallace, Butler, Higdon, Lollipops McCuntly, McGahey, McEveley, Alcock etc.


Overall, they both came up short, Adkins a little more than Clough but in far more difficult circumstances.


I think the one big difference is that a lot of blades just didn’t like him. Didn’t like his clichés and endless positivity when we were so pissed off.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
During the summer, I was annoyed we’d sacked Adkins because I didn’t think he got a fair crack given the circumstances last season. I was interested to see how he would do with a chance to rebuild the squad. As it turns out, Wilder has done very well so with hindsight, it’s probably the right call (though none of us know how well Adkins would have done).
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That was my thought too at the time, though while Adkins would have had a far better chance at reshaping the squad, in reality there would have been very little patience based on the experience of his previous season were an improvement absent early on. Indeed we saw what sort of patience there was on here after three games for Wilder, who had a completely clean slate rather than the weight of last season's big failure.

As things stand though, you'd be mad to exchange the reality of what we have right now for the gamble of what might have been under Adkins had he been kept. I suspect it would have been better than his previous season, but I can't say with any certainty that it would have been. And I wouldn't rule him out succeeding elsewhere if given the opportunity. We have to see how this all pans out, but Wilder for me has already exceeded expectations in how quickly he's managed to make us a much stronger club.
 



1danewhitehouse said:
It’s strange that Adkins and Clough are looked on with such disparity. Clough seems to have a lot of fans here still (and a fair share of detractors I know). He had a chance of a complete rebuild having been here the season before and controlling a retained list meaning he had a similar clean slate to Wilder and was afforded the luxury of signing 20 odd players including paying £1.5-2 million for one of them. Adkins inherited a squad not of his choosing, had his star player (Murphy) sold straight away and was without the next best player (Brayford) for most of the season through injury. He was able to sign less players than any other league 1 club during his one season here (Only paying one fee- allegedly £500k). On top of the Murphy sale, he moved out, either on loan or permanently, around 20 players to get the wage bill down during the course of the season. Despite all of that, I think he amassed something like 6 or 7 points less than Clough. Sure he dropped a bollock with Woolford, Hammond and Sammon but Clough gave us James Wallace, Butler, Higdon, Lollipops McCuntly, McGahey, McEveley, Alcock etc.


Overall, they both came up short, Adkins a little more than Clough but in far more difficult circumstances.


I think the one big difference is that a lot of blades just didn’t like him. Didn’t like his clichés and endless positivity when we were so pissed off.
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People prefer Clough because he did achieve some things. 2 cup semi finals, saving us from relegation and getting in the playoffs were all real achievements. Adkins did worse in every respect.

Both underachieved in a sense, but Clough left a lot of good memories.
 
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