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Am I missing something here?
Kevin mc bobar stated not so many moons ago that loans were a thing of the past and not value for money.
I hope to God that the sales will not be swallowed up by paying so called bigger wages to the higher earning championship starlets.
Negative equity.
Over to you kev.
 



We use Wonga to buy players? :eek:

Well even I know that's gonna cost us a lot in interest.
 
gavtheblade said:
Am I missing something here?
Kevin mc bobar stated not so many moons ago that loans were a thing of the past and not value for money.
I hope to God that the sales will not be swallowed up by paying so called bigger wages to the higher earning championship starlets.
Negative equity.
Over to you kev.
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Yeah Short term loans were seen that way, but also filling the team with longer term expensive loans was something which he bemoaned.

So what do we have now? 3 long term loans - Chapman, Lafferty and Ebanks-Landell. Two are young lads and one an international Fullback.

Football and the Transfer window has changed a bit since then
 
Apart from a few silly money transfers the majority of yesterday's business was loans, so it's not only us. Without the loan window long term loans will become more of the norm I fear unless you have 10mil to flash at every passing player you fancy.
 
KM stated 4 months ago there would be a clear pathway for youth............ not now there ain't.

KM stated he does not like loans ...................... he does now.

CW stated Hussey was the best LB in league one ......................... he ain't now.

Things have changed very quickly at our club, something we all wanted, but never be under any illusions that we are always told what they think we want to hear, on any given day.
 
Loans didn't do Wednesday too much damage when they got promoted to the Championship with a team full of loan players (well as many as they were allowed)

I was convinced that they would come straight back down when they had to replace all the loanees.

Alas it was not to be
 
Maidenhead said:
Loans didn't do Wednesday too much damage when they got promoted to the Championship with a team full of loan players (well as many as they were allowed)

I was convinced that they would come straight back down when they had to replace all the loanees.

Alas it was not to be
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This year hopefully, especially when foresteri gump, or whatever his name is leaves.
 
"Pathway for the youth" was always misleading. If they're good enough then they'll play...if we have signed better then what are we worrying about? I don't want us throwing our young players into a team just for the sake of having one of youth players in the team.

Also there's a huge difference between a season long loan and short term loan, it's essentially a one year contract which plenty of 'permanent' signings have had before. Especially with Lafferty who I believe is out of contract at the end of this season anyway.

Edit: as is Ebanks Landell too apparently.
 
ThroughThinAndThinner said:
"Pathway for the youth" was always misleading. If they're good enough then they'll play...if we have signed better then what are we worrying about? I don't want us throwing our young players into a team just for the sake of having one of youth players in the team.

Also there's a huge difference between a season long loan and short term loan, it's essentially a one year contract which plenty of 'permanent' signings have had before. Especially with Lafferty who I believe is out of contract at the end of this season anyway.

Edit: as is Ebanks Landell too apparently.
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If the are 17 and dont play how do you know they are good enough. It is the only way any of us will know if they are good enough.

The youth player will not get a chance simply because at this present time we can't risk giving them the chance.

No new manager will do it. They will not put their job on the line. I am not saying that is wrong, its just where we are.
 
I think the mistake the OP made was taking notice of anything McBullshit said to start with.

I no longer believe a word he says from the off and I am now a much more relaxed person because of it.
 



BladeFisher said:
No the 'Notts County' of Yorkshire. I thought Rovrum were the Oldham, with Donny being Bury.
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No, that would involve relegation. Our plan will hopefully achieve stagnation, at least (unless Wilder is truly Mickey Adams Mark II)
 
larkymasher said:
KM stated 4 months ago there would be a clear pathway for youth............ not now there ain't.

KM stated he does not like loans ...................... he does now.

CW stated Hussey was the best LB in league one ......................... he ain't now.

Things have changed very quickly at our club, something we all wanted, but never be under any illusions that we are always told what they think we want to hear, on any given day.
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Kevin McCabe also proclaimed "gamechanging investment" would be made. Still to see any change - apart from us getting worse every year that is.
 
With the various statements from those at the club and then reading between the lines, we've gone from:

Looking to bring new players in, to
Need to move some out to bring new players in, to
Need to sell/get off the wage bill players just to help pay the running costs

If the third statement is true I wish the club would just come out and say so. They won't because they want to hoodwink the support into thinking we are an ambitious club, when anyone with half a brain can see through their actions we are anything but.
 
bladeinbolton said:
With the various statements from those at the club and then reading between the lines, we've gone from:

Looking to bring new players in, to
Need to move some out to bring new players in, to
Need to sell/get off the wage bill players just to help pay the running costs

If the third statement is true I wish the club would just come out and say so. They won't because they want to hoodwink the support into thinking we are an ambitious club, when anyone with half a brain can see through their actions we are anything but.
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McCabe said quite clearly the club had to stand on its own two feet. It was obvious that the budget would be cut and with all the pay offs to Adkins and the dead wood, player sales would be necessary as well as letting others go.
 
gavtheblade said:
Am I missing something here?
Kevin mc bobar stated not so many moons ago that loans were a thing of the past and not value for money.
I hope to God that the sales will not be swallowed up by paying so called bigger wages to the higher earning championship starlets.
Negative equity.
Over to you kev.
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You mean Kev told a lie? It is not like him to do that.
 
Sean Thornton said:
McCabe said quite clearly the club had to stand on its own two feet. It was obvious that the budget would be cut and with all the pay offs to Adkins and the dead wood, player sales would be necessary as well as letting others go.
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Sean - assuming for the sake of argument that McCabe does not have severe cash flow problems (in which case he would have no choice), do you think that making the club "stand on its own two feet" is a sensible strategy?

It's going to get more expensive to fund a promotion push as the seasons roll on, isn't it? He's harming his investment, isn't he?
 
Wilder's top targets couldn't be convinced to drop down a division, and to be fair, not many experienced pros that we might have wanted did so. Murphy remained at Leeds, Morsy stayed in the Championship as did all the centre backs we were linked with, aside from Webster, whose club refused to sell him to a rival.

Therefore loans for players featuring further down his list seemed the most sensible approach. (Whether we needed to sell DCL is another debate, thought you'd question if privately Wilder rates him).

Offering permanent deals to players who were further down the list only compounds the issue. I'd rather be committed to paying a percentage of their wages until June than be splashing out a transfer fee, a signing on fee and a wage over three years to a player I'm not 100% sold on.

Maybe if we are there or thereabouts in Jan, we can achieve more, but for now, loans are fine if we can't fully get what we want.
 
Revolution said:
Sean - assuming for the sake of argument that McCabe does not have severe cash flow problems (in which case he would have no choice), do you think that making the club "stand on its own two feet" is a sensible strategy?

It's going to get more expensive to fund a promotion push as the seasons roll on, isn't it? He's harming his investment, isn't he?
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I think it is. Due to the trading position money that could be used for player investment is having to be used to cover losses. Until that stops its going to be wing and a prayer stuff that one day a manager will find the magic formula.

If he can achieve break even is another thing though.
 
Revolution said:
Sean - assuming for the sake of argument that McCabe does not have severe cash flow problems (in which case he would have no choice), do you think that making the club "stand on its own two feet" is a sensible strategy?

It's going to get more expensive to fund a promotion push as the seasons roll on, isn't it? He's harming his investment, isn't he?
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Since when has getting any business to "stand in its own two feet" been anything other than a good idea?
 
Sean Thornton said:
I think it is. Due to the trading position money that could be used for player investment is having to be used to cover losses. Until that stops its going to be wing and a prayer stuff that one day a manager will find the magic formula.

If he can achieve break even is another thing though.
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As we are now Sean, putting your best guessing hat on, how far off standing on our own two feet do you think the club is if the financial year started the day after the transfer window?

Almost there, or you think offloading the likes of Sharp and Coutts and utilising players more on the wages of McNulty is still required?
 
Champagneblade said:
As we are now Sean, putting your best guessing hat on, how far off standing on our own two feet do you think the club is if the financial year started the day after the transfer window?

Almost there, or you think offloading the likes of Sharp and Coutts and utilising players more on the wages of McNulty is still required?
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"Look at the accounts"

Is the standard answer

pommpey
 
Champagneblade said:
As we are now Sean, putting your best guessing hat on, how far off standing on our own two feet do you think the club is if the financial year started the day after the transfer window?

Almost there, or you think offloading the likes of Sharp and Coutts and utilising players more on the wages of McNulty is still required?
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It can only be a guess because the 2016 accounts aren't out and no one knows the wage bill or the effect on the trading results of the pay offs to Adkins, his staff and players. I'd guess it might still need an input of capital but it is a guess.
The problem for McCabe in this scenario is that other than selling players, the income stream isn't likely to increase any more save a genuine sustained promotion push when gates will increase slightly. The costs though are fixed and dependent on the wage budget are likely to exceed current income again. That's why the notion that he's happy losing a few million in L1 and doesn't want promotion is absurd. Promotion means more income, which we desperately need. I still think the club will aim to stand on its own two feet though, and then we wait with baited breath for the promised player investment from the Prince.
 



HillmortonBlade said:
Since when has getting any business to "stand in its own two feet" been anything other than a good idea?
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It's a great idea.

Unfortunately, that's not how professional football clubs in England survive. 90% of them do not stand on their own two feet.
 
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