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noticed naysmith was out of position and got beaten easily for there goal :rolleyes:

Why should armstong play in front of naysmith when he is classed as a left back? robson tried making him a central midfielder which didnt work. he tried his best but it wasnt meant to be.

and now i cant tell the difference from a horse to a football player! Do you get to many games CFA?
 

Think its interesting that whilst Armstrong has been slated by many for inept defending and being turned inside out by even average strikers.. he's seemingly rated as far better than serial top-flightist and international Naysmith.
 
ive slated armstrong for getting turned inside out. But his is a better defender and better going forward than naysmith. armstrong has pace which is very handy as a fullback, naysmith hasn't.
 
Foxy said:
Think its interesting that whilst Armstrong has been slated by many for inept defending and being turned inside out by even average strikers.. he's seemingly rated as far better than serial top-flightist and international Naysmith.
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Shows how poor Naysmith is then really doesn't it.
 
Robbie said:
Shows how poor Naysmith is then really doesn't it.
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No. It shows how poor people think he is.

I don't think you can do what he's done in his career and be anywhere near as bad a player as people make out.

Perhaps he's losing/lost the credentials that have given him such a successful career...

perhaps he's not suited to the league?...

perhaps he isn't happy here?...

Who knows, but he's out of form at the moment, he's also showed signs of being useful at times. Think its a bit quick/harsh to label him as shite and to ask why he's at the club. After all, fair do's put Stretch there, but what about when he's injured?
 
keenzy said:
noticed naysmith was out of position and got beaten easily for there goal :rolleyes:

Why should armstong play in front of naysmith when he is classed as a left back? robson tried making him a central midfielder which didnt work. he tried his best but it wasnt meant to be.

and now i cant tell the difference from a horse to a football player! Do you get to many games CFA?
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Like Stretch was against the pigs?
Naysmith has been below par definatley and whether it needs Stretch to have a few games there to show Naysmith that the positions not rightfully his i don't know.
 
like naysmith has on numerous occasions this season :p

so we should be playing naysmith on his reputation of being a decent player in the past?

if hes not in form or just past it, why is he playing? Ill have him as backup but id play armstrong over him.
 
Foxy said:
No. It shows how poor people think he is.

I don't think you can do what he's done in his career and be anywhere near as bad a player as people make out.

Perhaps he's losing/lost the credentials that have given him such a successful career...

perhaps he's not suited to the league?...

perhaps he isn't happy here?...

Who knows, but he's out of form at the moment, he's also showed signs of being useful at times. Think its a bit quick/harsh to label him as shite and to ask why he's at the club. After all, fair do's put Stretch there, but what about when he's injured?
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It's irrelevant the reasoning for him being poor to be honest, the fact is he has been poor. So for this reason and this reason only is why he should be dropped. Whether he gets his position back in the future is another matter.

I do think he is wrong for this league, but I suppose a good footballer should be able to play in any league.

I think Armstrong should be given a few games, if he does well then there is no reason to bring Naysmith back in. You can't live in fear for players getting injured to be honest. But if he does get injured, then yes bring Naysmith back in.
 
keenzy said:
like naysmith has on numerous occasions this season :p

so we should be playing naysmith on his reputation of being a decent player in the past?

if hes not in form or just past it, why is he playing? Ill have him as backup but id play armstrong over him.
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Not saying Naysmith should be playing but......

If the player has been a decent player in the past and does well enough, in the opinion of the manager, in training(we assume they are to be picked) why shouldn't he be playing?? Otherwise no one would get into the team......would they??

:)
 
Didn't they have this problem with England? picking the names instead of players in form?

If he's doing well in training why is he not picking up men and hoofing the ball anywhere in games?
 
keenzy said:
Didn't they have this problem with England? picking the names instead of players in form?

If he's doing well in training why is he not picking up men and hoofing the ball anywhere in games?
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Fine but if we dropped all United players out of form we'd be playing the kids!

:D:D:D
 
Neighsmith was a decent player many moons ago but alas his days are past.

Whats that owd sayin : yer as good as yer last game...... Neighsmith yer off to the knackers yard..................
 
Robbie said:
It's irrelevant the reasoning for him being poor to be honest, the fact is he has been poor. So for this reason and this reason only is why he should be dropped. Whether he gets his position back in the future is another matter.
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Its very far from irrelevant why a player is playing poorly. I'm not saying he shouldn't be dropped, i'm just saying his whole career suggests differently from him being "shite" and he's clearly at the club for his experience/quality in a position we don't have masses of choice in.

Robbie said:
You can't live in fear for players getting injured to be honest. But if he does get injured, then yes bring Naysmith back in.
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Theres a big difference between living in fear and having a strong squad. I hardly see that having an international left back on the books who has played the most of his career in the top flight is living in fear, certainly as there isnt masses of competition for the place.

Theres plenty of players who we could say have been "shite" and ask why they are at the club this season, thats part and parcel of being out of form and playing badly... if only it was as simple as deciding someone is "shite" and then dropping them.
 
international.... lets face it its only Scotland :D:D:D:D
 

keenzy said:
international.... lets face it its only Scotland :D:D:D:D
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It's still international class football, playing against the best in the world. You don't get to that stage and play so regularly as a core part of the team by being a mug :)
 
Foxy said:
Its very far from irrelevant why a player is playing poorly. I'm not saying he shouldn't be dropped, i'm just saying his whole career suggests differently from him being "shite" and he's clearly at the club for his experience/quality in a position we don't have masses of choice in.
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The irrelevance remark is more aimed at him being dropped. He should be dropped for him being poor.

Foxy said:
Theres a big difference between living in fear and having a strong squad. I hardly see that having an international left back on the books who has played the most of his career in the top flight is living in fear, certainly as there isnt masses of competition for the place.
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Where did I state living in fear was because he was on our books? It was saying that even if we put Armstrong in and we didn't have another left back its not that bad, but even then we do in Naysmith.

It's irrelevant he has played the majority of his career in the top flight, it really is. Look at the amount of players who drop in to this league because they can no longer hack it at the top. But it seems he can't hack THIS league it seems, whether or not he can hack it still at the top is another matter. For the reason he needs to be dropped.

Foxy said:
Theres plenty of players who we could say have been "shite" and ask why they are at the club this season, thats part and parcel of being out of form and playing badly... if only it was as simple as deciding someone is "shite" and then dropping them.
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I don't know where you're getting the word "shite" from. I don't put it in my posts (well rarely) ;)

But yes, you're correct, there have been too many people playing poorly. It is as simple as saying he has been poor a consistent basis and dropping him. Not because of a one off.
 
Robbie said:
The irrelevance remark is more aimed at him being dropped. He should be dropped for him being poor.
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You mean just like I said? :) All i'm trying to get across are there are more reasons a player can perform poorly other than them simply being crap :)


Robbie said:
Where did I state living in fear was because he was on our books? It was saying that even if we put Armstrong in and we didn't have another left back its not that bad, but even then we do in Naysmith.
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I said that if he wasn't here then we'd be short if Armstrong was injured. To which you said you can't live in fear of players getting injured. I'm merely saying we have to have squad players to enable us to cover injuries... I personally think its worth having someone of Naysmiths calibre and experience around for this very reason, given that we don't have them lining up.

Robbie said:
It's irrelevant he has played the majority of his career in the top flight, it really is. Look at the amount of players who drop in to this league because they can no longer hack it at the top. But it seems he can't hack THIS league it seems, whether or not he can hack it still at the top is another matter. For the reason he needs to be dropped.
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It "seems", is it not more sensible to give him a bit more time before writing him off? He's been playing in a team that isn't exactly in a rich vein of form in a league that people say takes time to adapt to. That's exactly why i'm refering to his past career, because its the best benchmark of what we can hope to expect from him.



Robbie said:
I don't know where you're getting the word "shite" from. I don't put it in my posts (well rarely) ;)

But yes, you're correct, there have been too many people playing poorly. It is as simple as saying he has been poor a consistent basis and dropping him. Not because of a one off.
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The word shite is not quoted from you :), just because i've quoted and responded to your points doesn't mean everything included in the post is a direct response to you personally :)

Thats exactly what I mean, the majority of our squad have been poor on a consistant basis, we'll struggle dropping them all!
 
I have to agree with a point that SF made earlier in this thread regarding dropping everyone that has had a few bad games that we'd soon run out of senior players. I know that many people on here have been calling for Tonge's head for some time but give him a couple of games under a manager that he responds to and all of a sudden he's man of the match. Now for me, that's a reason why Tonge won't ever be a top-class player but he's certainly good enough for us for the time being.

At this time more than at any other I think we've got to give players and staff a little bit more time before we start labelling them as shite. If the form of the team turns around but individuals still under-perform then fair enough, maybe then we should look at replacing them. Nearly every Blade, towards the end of his tenure, agreed that Robson was failing as a manager to get the best out of the players that oh-so-nearly kept us in the Premiership or the players with "Premiership pedigree" so let's stick by our convictions and afford everyone on our books the opportunity to prove us all right.
 
but TA naysmith has been poor all season.

and for tonge getting the man of the match? man of the last 15 mins it should be.
 
keenzy said:
but TA naysmith has been poor all season.
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So has pretty much everybody though! That's my point. He hasn't been shite all his career, just under Robson! EVERYBODY deserves a new chance under a new manager, surely. Particularly those who we know have the ability.
 
not bother about what he has done prior us, im bothered about what he does for us. and whiles hes been with us he has been poor. Pretty much everyone else? Most have put in good performances where as naysmith i really dont recall any from.

Ah well, onward and upward :D:D
 
I must admit I can barely recall a good performance from Naysmith. Armstrong certainly should be playing at left back at the moment.
 

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