Expectation

[Top Cat]

Must have missed the bit where I said we were making money.

It's a pretty well known fact that most clubs outside the premier league make a loss.

Do you think they cannot or do not spend money?

So you ignore the losses. You separate them. Great accounting principles. Did you ever watch Mike Bassett England Manager? If I'm not around push a note under the door. "There's one here from Ron Greenwood"

Push the losses under the carpet. They will go away.

 

[Barney]

So you ignore the losses. You separate them. Great accounting principles. Did you ever watch Mike Bassett England Manager? If I'm not around push a note under the door. "There's one here from Ron Greenwood"

Push the losses under the carpet. They will go away.

You are quite obviously a bit of a fruitcake without a clue about anything much really, but if you can point me to the bit where I advised ignoring losses, I'd be most grateful. It has to be there though, not just in your head.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The point was just that losses don't mean a club cannot spend. Which of course is true and something I presumed was obvious. If you knew most clubs outside the premier league make a loss and still spend, why mention losses with regards to spending in reply to pommpey's post?

If the club us losing money then it cant spend. Unless.......

 

[Top Cat]

You are quite obviously a bit of a fruitcake without a clue about anything much really, but if you can point me to the bit where I advised ignoring losses, I'd be most grateful. It has to be there though, not just in your head.

"All I'm saying is that spending of transfer money etc. shouldn't be affected by the losses from other areas of the club. I'm saying the two should be kept separate, which they should. Or at least "treated" as such."

 

[Barney]

"All I'm saying is that spending of transfer money etc. shouldn't be affected by the losses from other areas of the club. I'm saying the two should be kept separate, which they should. Or at least "treated" as such."

And that says to ignore the losses, where?

 

[Sean Thornton]

At the end of the day the claim was that the playing side should be kept separate from the loss making side. We still don't have the explanation if how this will work. Apart from the comment that PL clubs lose money, which means nothing.

 

[Barney]

If the club us losing money then it cant spend.

You believe this?

 

[Sean Thornton]

And that says to ignore the losses, where?

It may not. Still bollocks though.

 

[Barney]

At the end of the day the claim was that the playing side should be kept separate from the loss making side. We still don't have the explanation if how this will work. Apart from the comment that PL clubs lose money, which means nothing.

As I've said, it was to make the point that losses don't mean a club cannot spend.

Do you agree with this? Yes/no. If no, there's really not much point in continuing.

 

[Sean Thornton]

As I've said, it was to make the point that losses don't mean a club cannot spend.

Do you agree with this? Yes/no.

If no, there's really not much point in continuing.

And I've asked you how a club can achieve this.

 

[Barney]

And I've asked you how a club can achieve this.

How clubs make a loss and still spend? Seriously?

 

[Top Cat]

I don't know any simpler way to explain this for tiny brain. I will exaggerate.

Club A loses 50 million. And this is separated and has no affect on how much you have to spend.

Jesus swept

 

[Sean Thornton]

How clubs make a loss and still spend? Seriously?

Yes. Tell us rather than procrastinate whilst thinking you look intelligent *


* quite the opposite.

 

[Barney]

Yes. Tell us rather than procrastinate whilst thinking you look intelligent *


* quite the opposite.

10 seconds for one example.

Btw it's not about "looking intelligent" whatever that is, it's about explaining something relatively simple.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/derby-county/story-29026273-detail/story.html

Did they not spend anything that year then?

 

[Sean Thornton]

10 seconds.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/derby-county/story-29026273-detail/story.html

Did they not spend anything that year then?

Did they split the playing side from the loss making part of the club? Which is what you said should happen originally even though you've tried to move the goalposts Len Lite?

 

[Top Cat]

[QUOTE
="Barney, post: 1088395, member: 16314"]10 seconds for one example.

Btw it's not about "looking intelligent" whatever that is, it's about explaining something relatively simple.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/derby-county/story-29026273-detail/story.html

Did they not spend anything that year then? [/QUOTE]

They "separated" the debt?

They spent money. Can't see anything them separating the debt.

 

[Barney]

Did they split the playing side from the loss making part of the club? Which is what you said should happen originally even though you've tried to move the goalposts Len Lite?

"the point was that losses don't mean a club cannot spend"

Hopefully this will sink in soon.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'll leave you with this Barney, which show your true colours

What I said


"If the club us losing money then it cant spend. Unless......."



What you suggested I said

"If the club us losing money then it can't spend"


"You believe this?"

Loser.

 

[Sean Thornton]

[QUOTE
="Barney, post: 1088395, member: 16314"]10 seconds for one example.

Btw it's not about "looking intelligent" whatever that is, it's about explaining something relatively simple.

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/derby-county/story-29026273-detail/story.html

Did they not spend anything that year then?

They "separated" the debt?

They spent money. Can't see anything them separating the debt.[/QUOTE]


He's a poor mans Len. TC. Without the intelligence.

 

[Barney]

What you suggested I said

"If the club us losing money then it can't spend"

Which was the point you were making by mentioning losses in reply to pommpey's post, no matter how much you want to ignore you did it, now you realise how silly it was.

 

[Top Cat]

You failed miserably to move the goalposts. "All I'm saying is that spending of transfer money etc. shouldn't be affected by the losses from other areas of the club. I'm saying the two should be kept separate, which they should. Or at least "treated" as such."

To "clubs make losses"

You don't understand, do you.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Which was the point you were making by mentioning losses in reply to pommpey's post, no matter how much you want to ignore you did it as you now realise how silly it was.

Why misquote me if you are so sure of your position?

Where did Derby split the playing side off.

Why can't you answer a direct question Little Len?

 

[Barney]

Why misquote me if you are so sure of your position?

Where did Derby split the playing side off.

Why can't you answer a direct question Little Len?

It's you that can't explain why you initially mentioned losses, despite later admitting that clubs actually do make losses whilst spending. Although you're now pretending you haven't posted it.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

What I cannot really comprehend is where in the accounts the costs of mistakes are manifested - eg paying off Managers and their acolytes, agreements to terminate unwanted players contracts etc How much have we shelled out in the last few years for these?

The Board make these appointments and, allegedly, oversee contacts. Do they put extra into the club to finance the costs of their mistakes or do they form the backdrop against which the new Manager has to work with - ie Wilder is having to work within financial constraints for non-beneficial costs accumulated over the Clough Adkins era. Probably not phrased that right but hopefully you get my drift.

 

[Top Cat]

Surreal

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's you that can't explain why you initially mentioned losses, despite later admitting that clubs actually do make losses whilst spending. Although you're now pretending you haven't posted it.

I've never mentioned that post. In any event it relates to the smaller the loss the less McCabe had to put in.

Now how does he split the playing side off?

 

[Barney]

I've never mentioned that post. In any event it relates to the smaller the loss the less McCabe had to put in.

It's still not sunk in?

And let's not fib. You said it in relation to why we weren't spending the Adams money.

It's all there in the previous pages.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Surreal

You'd probably be the same if you lived with your mom an

What I cannot really comprehend is where in the accounts the costs of mistakes are manifested - eg paying off Managers and their acolytes, agreements to terminate unwanted players contracts etc How much have we shelled out in the last few years for these?

The Board make these appointments and, allegedly, oversee contacts. Do they put extra into the club to finance the costs of their mistakes or do they form the backdrop against which the new Manager has to work with - ie Wilder is having to work within financial constraints for non-beneficial costs accumulated over the Clough Adkins era. Probably not phrased that right but hopefully you get my drift.

They have to fund their mistakes. And have for years.

If only they'd thought of seperating the football side from the loss making part we'd be loaded.

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's still not sunk in?

And let's not fib. You said it in relation to why we weren't spending the Adams money.

It's all there in the previous pages.

Link please.?

 

[Barney]

Link please.?

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/expectation.48697/page-2#post-1088313