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Blade56 said:
If you were Nade not just a fake you would know what it's like you were shit!
F'ing abuse at the fans in your post is hardly being constructive or rational reasoning
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If he were the real Christian Nade, he would remember how loud the lane was when he scored that goal v Arsenal and Sky had to turn the microphones off because of the volume. How I miss those days….
 
This debate seems to crop up with increasing frequency and intensity with every passing season. Of course the fans affect the players, just as the players affect the fans. The fans are still turning out in numbers but the patience is very thin, the belief fragile and the frustration and anger growing. I don't get to as many matches as I would like but it is noticeable how increasingly morgue-like and unforgiving the ground is becoming. I said in another post I think our away results will be better than our home ones this season and I doubt our home record will improve on last season's 12th best in the division. Is this because of the fans? Not primarily. The fans can only react. The players can actively affect it, as can the Manager and Directors. But this players or fans debate conveniently diverts discussion from deeper matters concerning the way the club is run, financially, directionally and in terms of player sales, acquisition and development. There seems little confidence, trust or unity throughout all levels of the club and the constant wholesale shift changes are leading to us spiralling downwards. In short the club is a mess from top to bottom and is reaping the rewards of years of that -nothing to do with luck..

If we want to get out of this division (or, more likely, avoid the drop) we have to change the results at home. Simple as that. Anything we can do to change what must be a great day out for opponents who have little to lose and find it easy to silence the crowd or turn them against their own team is worthy of consideration - the trouble is it is not easy to rebuild the dynamic between frustrated and angry supporters and a group of players who are scared of them (at worst) or disdainful of them at best. Results are the only way I am afraid and that will call for performances by players with character and not a group of shrinking violets. Players cannot expect respect as of right, respect is earned.

UTB
 
Nade said:
At least my post makes sense, with reasoning and things like that. What you offering here?

I'm saying the fans should stop pissing and moaning and just fucking stop going if you want to do something about it. If you're going and just booing and moaning at individual players then yeah, I would say you are absolutely contributing to it. If I was still playing at Bramall Lane and I got that shit from my own fans then it'd mess my right up. It's ruinous.
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You've never played at the Lane. Your opinion is worth no more than ours. You're someone pretending to be a former Blades player.

Don't worry, the fans will stop fucking going soon enough.
 
It can turn out in four ways really;

1. Big crowd - supportive, motivational encouragement
2. Big crowd - fans getting on players backs, high pressure environment

3. Small crowd - Relaxed environment bringing out the best in players
4. Small crowd - Minimal encouragement, less incentive to perform

Because of the volatility of our fanbase, and what all fans have been through for the past 5 years, the pent up frustration etc. it's a world of extremes with the big crowds. And because the team isn't good enough anyway, it is always more likely to be no.2 as opposed to no.1 in the list above.


I have always held the opinion that if 2 teams are as good as one another and one has a big crowd one has a small, the team with the big crowd would turn out to be better than the one with the small on average. If 2 teams were equally as bad, one has a big crowd, one has small, the one with the big crowd would be significantly worse off than the one with the small.

In other words, I think the extra advantage of having a big crowd over a small crowd when you're good is slimmer than the extra disadvantage of having a big crowd over a small crowd when you're bad.
 
One thing I have notice with our fan base is almost all our players are rated as rubbish especially any new signings.

Then when they've been sold they're suddenly highly rated talent.

I predict that if we sold Long for £100K most of our fanbase will be slagging off the club for letting our homegrown talent leave in the cheap because Long is potential PL standard.

We have a high proportion who try their best to put a negative slant of everything. We sign players on big wages and the complaint is we've over spent. We don't pay out big wages and that player doesn't sign then it's the board should overspend and be ambitious.

It's not the methods that matter, it's simply down to results.

I'm so pleased most of our fans don't run the club, manage the club or play for the club because many have given up already and are convinced well struggle no matter what we do.
 
Sheffsteel said:
One thing I have notice with our fan base is almost all our players are rated as rubbish especially any new signings.

Then when they've been sold they're suddenly highly rated talent.

I predict that if we sold Long for £100K most of our fanbase will be slagging off the club for letting our homegrown talent leave in the cheap because Long is potential PL standard.

We have a high proportion who try their best to put a negative slant of everything. We sign players on big wages and the complaint is we've over spent. We don't pay out big wages and that player doesn't sign then it's the board should overspend and be ambitious.

It's not the methods that matter, it's simply down to results.

I'm so pleased most of our fans don't run the club, manage the club or play for the club because many have given up already and are convinced well struggle no matter what we do.
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Just thought I'd highlight that.

Two losses and a draw so far. Almost bottom of the league. Don't wanna be all negative and all that but ... just sayin' ...

pommpey
 
Sheffsteel said:
We have a high proportion who try their best to put a negative slant of everything
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Sheffsteel Trouble is, mate, we have an equally high proportion who seem to suffer from blind faith, clap like seals at every last thing the club does, and become furious at the slightest criticism of our precious club, however valid.

All about opinions, blah blah blah - sure, but the idea that we're being brought down by the enemy within in the form of the 'slashers' is simply not right. The fucking 'clappers' are just as much to blame.
 



Unfortunately we have got ourselves in the mindset of as soon as things don't go our way lets wreak havoc (or a small section have). I understand completely the frustration and the fact that we all pay a lot of our wage to watch what at the moment is well below what we expect from a united team! But booing and singling out players during the match is only going to turn out one way. I couldn't believe the stick George Long was getting directed at him, he's only 21 and whether he's paid to do it or not he's still a young lad who's learning his trade... I bet the lad wanted to get as far away from the pitch as possible, to be fair to him the goals where more defensive errors than goalkeeping ones. Also if I was a player and one of my colleague were getting that kind of stick and the boos were ringing out it would definatly effect my game too! Get behind the lads for ninety minutes if you don't like what you see go shopping with the missus instead!!! It's only 3 games!! Utb
 
Personally I believe that what you are saying is used as a cop out by the players and management. I dont suppose it helps much but when they play away at say pigsborough they dont cave in, and play even worse. Even though they get even worse stick than at the lane. Its a good thing to pick on, and we as supporters dont have the mouthpieces to vent our feelings as they the players and mangement do with the media. Its too easy for them to blame the 'toxic atmosphere' ie the crowd, when in reality if they played and showed a bit of passion and get up and go the supporters would support . most players these days arent bothered as long as they get their pay checks! But they need to do something to get the support and keep it going. Its just like life Give a Little, Take a little. Its not hard.
 
We have a very loyal fan base - no doubt about that. But loyal doesn't equal good.
As many have said, the knob heads are far more vociferous than the patient majority.

At home we generally have a dreadful atmosphere. Virtually no singing, very little encouragement. I sit in the South Stand and no one around me (apart from myself) can ever be arsed to sing the GCB. Its woeful. I appreciate factors like all seater and no away fans don't help, but we seem to have slid into terminal apathy. And increasingly we have people barracking players who are hitting form problems - which clearly doesn't help.

Away we have great turn outs but still plenty of knob heads who want to bully and break things and many others who feel entitled to get on the players backs even quicker than at home. The atmosphere is definitely better than at home, because there is more of a siege mentality away, but nothing like what it used to be.

We can pat our selves on the back when attendances are read out and tell ourselves how great we are. But when it comes to backing the side on the pitch and becoming the 12th man we really are nothing special nowadays.
 
True the only way you can show the players your displeasure is to vent the anger at matches but their is a difference with booing at half time ( which I wouldn't do myself) and then literally attacking players through the match by shouting abuse and cheering sarcastically when you young goalkeeper catches the ball!!! The atmosphere at the lane after the first goal went in on Tuesday night became toxic!!! Why would the players want the ball when you have grown men shouting abuse before they have even done anything with it!! It's three games into a season with 7 new players in the first team and a new manager and backroom team. Also how many kids ( the future of United ) go to matches, what are you teaching them, as soon as things don't go our way act like complete animals and intimidate your own team!!! That sounds like a great idea.
 
spadge said:
Unfortunately we have got ourselves in the mindset of as soon as things don't go our way lets wreak havoc (or a small section have). I understand completely the frustration and the fact that we all pay a lot of our wage to watch what at the moment is well below what we expect from a united team! But booing and singling out players during the match is only going to turn out one way. I couldn't believe the stick George Long was getting directed at him, he's only 21 and whether he's paid to do it or not he's still a young lad who's learning his trade... I bet the lad wanted to get as far away from the pitch as possible, to be fair to him the goals where more defensive errors than goalkeeping ones. Also if I was a player and one of my colleague were getting that kind of stick and the boos were ringing out it would definatly effect my game too! Get behind the lads for ninety minutes if you don't like what you see go shopping with the missus instead!!! It's only 3 games!! Utb
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Maybe if we didn't pick a bloke 'who's still learning his trade' in such a pivotal position, the fans wouldn't be so critical? We've known where he problem areas are in the team but Wilder is only just waking up to it. FWIW, where I sit (centre South Stand) the fans are mostly silent and accepting. It would be very hard at the moment to 'get behind the lads for ninety minutes' as we're witnessing the worst, most embarrasing performances I can remember. Critical or silent, it would seem us fans can't win.
 
I think we need start realising we are not premiership or championship Sheffield United we are league 1 and have been for enough years!! The " wilder has come to massive sheffiels United " doesn't cut it anymore! He got a Northampton side who had nothing, to be he best team in the league below by a country mile. So he deserves a shot with us... It's been three games!!!! If at the end of the season we are below half way I'd say fair enough!!! But got let him and the team settle. We sound worse than the pig half of Sheffield with how we go off! We don't deserve to go up because of who we have been previously or because we have a good fan base!!
 
A lot of people use this old chestnut "What other profession do you get booed and abused and have to accept it"

I think if you turned up to a rock concert or the theatre every day for several years and the band or the actors still hadn't learned their lines they'd get booed

The fact that these groups of people do not constantly fluff their lines suggests they have a level of professionalism that Sheffield United players don't have
 
Chali 2na said:
It's a subject as legendary Sam Morsy or Diego's private plate, I am of course talking about whether the negativity from the fans adversely affects the players.

I for one think it does.

Reason I thought I'd bring it up is because I've seen a few comments all loosely saying the same thing; that the fans were behind the players until we started conceding on Tuesday.
This is not true: I could hear ironic cheers for Long cathing the ball before the first goal.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy at times: we go in thinking/knowing they're going to be shit, make our feelings known, and unsurprisingly, they're shit.

To be clear, I don't think it's the biggest factor in our demise. I think board incompetence, manager incompetence and most of all player incompetence have played a much bigger part. But I still think as fans we should be shouldering some of the blame.

Is anyone proud of the atmosphere at the lane? It's library-esqe unless we have the chance to boo someone a far cry away from the "glory days"

I made a point on another thread that it will be extremely hard to bring young players through or get talented young loans in while the atmosphere remains toxic. It also plays a factor in games: how many times have you heard the opposition say "we knew we had to keep it tight, and the fans would eventually get on their backs"? (Or words to that effect.)

And before someone says it, the fact we still have ~18000 fans showing up after 6 years in league one doesn't absolve us. I'd sooner play in front of 500 fans than 18000 critics.

So let's try (as hard as it is at times), to get behind the players. I'm not saying you can't boo, I'm just saying it doesn't help. UTB
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no. i'll tell you what .. i'm considering a flounce. perhaps 10000 others might want to do the same. then we'll see what the players blame it on next. fact is they are shit
 
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