The fan's fault.

[Flatulent_Bob]

In today's game that's peanuts, if he can't hack it sell it

So we just have to find someone to buy the club and be willing to lose £10 Million a season.
You expecting a lot of applicants?

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

People on here have quoted games where Bramall Lane has been literally on fire with supporter enthusiasm and celebration. It is a wonderful place when that happens and that energy flows down from the terraces onto the pitch. If some expect that same flow looking at the goals conceded in 15 minutes on Saturday then I am afraid it is wishful thinking.

I think the OP was trying to say that the flow of energy you talk about can be positive or negative in terms of inspiration. Has to work both ways, if it's a 12th man for us it can also be another man for the opposition.

 

[Chali 2na]

The problem is, there's no way to prove it definitively. So it will always be a matter of opinion. There are plenty of supporters of all clubs who are happy to believe their support helps to drive their team on but very few fans who want to contemplate that their negative actions may, at times, have a negative effect.

And really, there's not much can be done about it.

All true, and admittedly this thread won't change anything, unfortunately.

 

[Blade56]

So we just have to find someone to buy the club and be willing to lose £10 Million a season.
You expecting a lot of applicants?

Plenty of Russian, African and Chinese business people needing to have a legitimate uk based business so yes

 

[Revolution]

So we just have to find someone to buy the club and be willing to lose £10 Million a season.
You expecting a lot of applicants?

Sure, if McCabe will actually loosen his grip on the ground (which I doubt he will). There are a number of foreign businessmen looking to get into our game for whom 10 million is peanuts.

 

[SB_90]

I think the OP was trying to say that the flow of energy you talk about can be positive or negative in terms of inspiration. Has to work both ways, if it's a 12th man for us it can also be another man for the opposition.

i was thinking the same as i put on southend reaction thread that i thought our problems stemmed alot more than just what we see on the pitch. As i think its psychological & mentality issue from everyone at the club fans & players. Because after our many embarrassing results v minnows of league 1 under the last 4 managers. When was the last time we turned up to the lane expecting a victory as players fans if like me are going into every game with trepidation what's going to go wrong today

No surprise. We are going to make mistakes because of the lack of patience & frustration thats mounted up of the last 6 yrs. Which i understand the boos i think we are now the longest serving "big team" in 3rd tier for the last 20 years as Leeds took 5yrs other teams like leicester norwich man city forest all took 1 or 2 yrs. we are desperate for success.

 

[Rodley]

Sure, if McCabe will actually loosen his grip on the ground (which I doubt he will). There are a number of foreign businessmen looking to get into our game for whom 10 million is peanuts.

Couldn't name on one hand how many teams in League 1 have been taken over by serious clout in the last decade.

Bournemouth had the Russian (?) chap but only really because he already had a pad on Sandbanks.

 

[Chali 2na]

They owe us. Players and board.

They owe you nothing. There is no gauruntee and therefore there should be no expectation of performance when buying your ticket.

There's a large amount of naviety in the OP in assuming that Sheffield United fans are different to any other fans in the country.

Go to any ground and you'll hear ironic cheers for players, the likes of Giggs and De Gea had it at Man United, half the Chelsea team at some point, and pretty much every single club in the country.

What I do know, is that if United get on the front foot, string some passes together, have the odd SHOT ON PISSING TARGET, then they'll get a better backing than any other club in this league.

Show me the fans of any club that let in 3 goals at home to Southend and let's see how positive they are.

Us being the common denominator since we've been shit doesn't stack up either. Much like there's been passengers on pretty much every plane crash in history, but I'm pretty sure it's not their fault that planes keep crashing.

While I accept that nobody wants to lose 3-0 to Southend, I reject your assertion that football fans aren't different.

One difference between us and most (if not all) teams in this division, is the expectations of the fans, wouldn't you agree?

 

[raul]

You can tell how much people love Kev by the amount they tell us he loses every year. At the moment Bob is winning, but the bloke up in Whitby has nearly finished gnawing his shackles off......

 

[PeteBlade]

While I accept that nobody wants to lose 3-0 to Southend, I reject your assertion that football fans aren't different.

One difference between us and most (if not all) teams in this division, is the expectations of the fans, wouldn't you agree?

In the same way that bigger clubs with bigger budgets, able to pay higher wages have better expectations than smaller clubs with smaller budgets who can pay lower wages, yes.

But the point stands, all fans of all clubs, respond in pretty much the same way.

If your club offers nothing by way of attacking intent then you aren't going to get the backing you want.

That's the same for all clubs, whether you like it or not.

 

[Bladepicker]

This is like a load of loyal customers going to the same restaurant week in, week out then, when the chef starts to burn their main course and serve raw vegetables, you blame the customers for going in bug numbers and complaining because they expect something edible.

Yes some fans are nobs. Yes some probably boo at inappropriate times but this isn't a Sheffield United thing - any club our size with our fan base would be the same given what we have had to put up with.

 

[Dellas Cowboys]

Totally disagree with the OP. Tuesday summed up perfectly why the atmosphere is quiet/poisonous at home games.

Despite utterly disgraceful performances in the two previous home games (Crewe & Rochdale), approx. 17,000 United fans decided to turn up regardless. The atmosphere was, if anything, nervous. I certainly didn't hear any booing before the first Southend goal - which was quickly followed by two more. Then there was abuse from some - a very few - fans behind the dugouts, which was directed at Wilder and was - given the tactics, display and general shittiness of the performances so far this season - understandable. This discontent didn't last long, in fact the subdued booing as the disastrous first half ended was remarkably tolerant given what had gone on before. The second half was played out in front of stunned disbelief, especially as this spineless team didn't even try to wrest the game back.

A caller on Radio Pig last night (he was definitely a Blade as he didn't feel the need to intersperse every other word with "Yeah?" as those denizens of Pitsmoor and Southey Green tend to) commented on the booing. I don't know where in the ground he was but, in the second half, Long was halfway into our half and looking to play another misplaced clearance forward. Some in the crowd sarcastically shouted "Shoot!" which may have been mistaken for boos (as in "Root!" in the cricket).

Some fans in the middle of the kop managed to get a "United" chant going which was amazing given that most people - including the team - had long given up on us.

The fans are the very last reason we are so bad.

many on the Kop were on at GL, sarcastically cheering anything he did - though it seemed to me it was Hussey and O'Connell that had messed up for the goals - the whole defence looked affected by the calamitous errors but I suspect also by the abuse.

 

[Revolution]

Couldn't name on one hand how many teams in League 1 have been taken over by serious clout in the last decade.

Bournemouth had the Russian (?) chap but only really because he already had a pad on Sandbanks.

Well, it's trickle down. If they can't get the PL they'll go for the championship, and so on down. It's coming to this division too.

I used to say I preferred McCabe's stewardship but he's lost it completely since about 2012.

 

[Revolution]

They owe you nothing. There is no gauruntee and therefore there should be no expectation of performance when buying your ticket.

Oh, so they can let us down, but shame on us for not clapping like seals as we slip to our latest embarrassing home defeat.

There is no guarantee or expection of crowd backing. If you want it, play better. Try harder.

It's too late for all that rah rah bollocks. They need to show us something.

 

[BushBlade]

Well, it's trickle down. If they can't get the PL they'll go for the championship, and so on down. It's coming to this division too.

I used to say I preferred McCabe's stewardship but he's lost it completely since about 2012.

We've already had two clubs in L1 still on parachute payments who could spend daft money, Wolves and Wigan. Brentford were well backed as were Bristol City. The game seems to be changing year on year at the moment.

 

[Rodley]

Well, it's trickle down. If they can't get the PL they'll go for the championship, and so on down. It's coming to this division too.

I used to say I preferred McCabe's stewardship but he's lost it completely since about 2012.

Where is it coming? I'm seeing no evidence of it.

 

[Revolution]

We've already had two clubs in L1 still on parachute payments who could spend daft money, Wolves and Wigan. Brentford were well backed as were Bristol City. The game seems to be changing year on year at the moment.

Yes, and as I said elsewhere, McCabe still thinks its 2001 and it's worth accepting bids of a million quid and change for good players when the rewards for promotion are vastly greater.

 

[Rodley]

We've already had two clubs in L1 still on parachute payments who could spend daft money, Wolves and Wigan. Brentford were well backed as were Bristol City. The game seems to be changing year on year at the moment.

Yep Brentford is one but that's a London club. Bristol have had Lansdowne in charge and he's worth serious, serious wedge.

 

[Revolution]

Where is it coming? I'm seeing no evidence of it.

It's coming because the Chinese and others are running out of clubs to buy higher up.

 

[BushBlade]

Yep Brentford is one but that's a London club. Bristol have had Lansdowne in charge and he's worth serious, serious wedge.

Yes, I know where Brentford is, I live about three miles from their ground. But I confess that when we played them in 82 at the Lane I had to ask my mates' dad where Brentford was

 

[Chali 2na]

But the point stands, all fans of all clubs, respond in pretty much the same way.

If your club offers nothing by way of attacking intent then you aren't going to get the backing you want.

That's the same for all clubs, whether you like it or not.

Sorry mate, going to have to disagree, I think there's plenty of factors that make fans of one club different to fans of another. Location, demographics and history are just some of the factors.

You could argue that Milwall are similar club to Brentford in terms of size, yet their fans are completely different.

On a side note; I miss your old avatar

This is like a load of loyal customers going to the same restaurant week in, week out then, when the chef starts to burn their main course and serve raw vegetables, you blame the customers for going in bug numbers and complaining because they expect something edible.

Yes some fans are nobs. Yes some probably boo at inappropriate times but this isn't a Sheffield United thing - any club our size with our fan base would be the same given what we have had to put up with.

I think that's a poor analogy mate, the chef's been shit for years, and we never learn: we keep coming back and eating the shit up more like!

 

[Chali 2na]

There is no guarantee or expection of crowd backing. If you want it, play better. Try harder.

I never said there was, feel free to boo them: I'm saying if we want to be successful, then a positive atmosphere would help.

Maybe not all of us want us to be successful though?

 

[Bartleby]

A good OP that has shown how divided opinion is.

My own view is that right now it is the team that needs to give the fans a gee up and fans will then reciprocate. I do think Chris Wilder sees it that way as well from his interviews.

From the one this morning he seems to have picked himself up from Tuesday so that might bode well as an indication that he is capable of lifting the players as well. He doesn't seem to blame the fans for George's form either, but I still abhor giving individual players abuse.

 

[Revolution]

I never said there was, feel free to boo them: I'm saying if we want to be successful, then a positive atmosphere would help.

Maybe not all of us want us to be successful though?

Speak for yourself. I want us to win every single game.

The idea that Blades fans don't want us to do well is silly. Some people will never understand it is possible to want to club to do well and be critical of the way it is run. I feel sorry for people who follow blindly without questioning anything.

 

[Nade]

Fans are fucking stupid if they think they don't impact the players. Of course they do.

Fans pay their money, of course, but they essentially have zero responsibility for anything. The only thing they're responsible for is sitting on their seat, and it is oh-so easy to be the expert when you have no experience of anything relevant whatsoever.

Fucks me right off when people harp on here about our wondrous fans and how they should be allowed to give verbal abuse to players. If you don't like the way we're playing, vote with your wallet. Don't fucking turn up and give verbal because the players aren't robots. It's fucking toxic.

 

[Sheffsteel]

95% of league clubs would have held protests and demonstrations aplenty by this point..

Demonstrations for what?
United have just signed a goalkeeper for half a mill.
In the past some of our Chairman wouldn't sign anyone and say we've no money and will only bring in free transfers.

Demonstrations are usually at the way a club is being run?
It's a lot more that just results on the pitch
Take Coventry, Charlton or even Hull City.

Hull are in the PL but their fans are fed up with their owner who isn't bothered about the fans.

We are always the club with the biggest wage budget making sure we can compete every year.
We always show ambition by bringing in managers other league clubs could only dream of.
I remember the 80's and early 90's and we were a joke off the pitch then.
Now it's on the pitch we're a joke but off the pitch we're are much much better off, no comparison.

I've used the same arguement many times.
If the board appointed Jose Mourinho and signed Messi and Ronaldo
And we got off to a poor start not winning a match, the do you think there should be demonstrations?
And would you say the board have f**cked up again because everyone knows Mourinho, Messi and Ronaldo are past it and would clearly not be able to motivate themselves in league 1?

 

[Chali 2na]

Speak for yourself. I want us to win every single game.

The idea that Blades fans don't want us to do well is silly. Some people will never understand it is possible to want to club to do well and be critical of the way it is run. I feel sorry for people who follow blindly without questioning anything.

Your implication that I have no criticisms of the blades or "follow blindly without questioning anything" are wrong.

I'm simply saying, a negative atmosphere on the pitch is detrimental to performance.

I'm rapidly losing faith in your ability to read.

 

[Revolution]

Your implication that I have no criticisms of the blades or "follow blindly without questioning anything" are wrong.

I'm simply saying, a negative atmosphere on the pitch is detrimental to performance.

I'm rapidly losing faith in your ability to read.

I can read. You said that some fans didn't want us to be successful. That is utter nonsense, and I responded to that point.

 

[Slim Man]

Demonstrations for what?

Demonstrations at the way a club is being run?
It's a lot more that just results on the pitch
Take Coventry, Charlton or even Hull City.

Hull are in the PL but their fans are fed up with their owner who isn't bothered about the fans.

We are always the club with the biggest wage budget making sure we can compete every year.
We always show ambition by bringing in managers other league clubs could only dream of.
I remember the 80's and early 90's and we were a joke off the pitch then.
Now it's in the pitch we're a joke but off the pitch we're are much much better off, no comparison.

I've used the same arguement many times.
If the board appointed Jose Mourinho and signed Messi and Ronaldo
And we got off to a poor start not winning a match, the do you think there should be demonstrations?
And would you say the board have f**cked up again because everyone knows Mourinho, Messi and Ronaldo are past it and would clearly not be able to motivate themselves in league 1?

We are a joke off the pitch as well. How long it takes us to get deals done is embarrassing.

 

[pommpey]

I can read. You said that some fans didn't want us to be successful. That is utter nonsense, and I responded to that point.

Amen

I want us to get promoted and win games

Fucking aint gonna happen is it? Why should I be positive?

pommpey