When was the last time we turned down bids and held on to a player?

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Genuine question, not intended as club bashing or a wind up. I genuinely can't remember the last time that we turned down several bids for a key player and said "he's going nowhere, he's too important and we're trying to build something here and be successful".

It may have happened in recent years and I've forgotten. Any ideas?

 

[David Lee's first touch]

Joe bloggs

 

[Roygbiv]

Jagielka was the last one I can think of.

 

[ThroughThinAndThinner]

Ryan Flinn I think...no wonder we're so keen to sell.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Jagielka was the last one I can think of.

I thought as much mate, wasn't it during or just prior to the premiership season. Interest from Pompey, was it?

 

[spongebobblade]

I thought as much mate, wasn't it during or just prior to the premiership season. Interest from Pompey, was it?

Might have been Pompey as well but weren't Burnley in for him at some point?

 

[bladesmanluke]

We rejected a £4m bid for Phil Jagielka in the summer of 2005. 11 years ago.
Following doing this we reaped the rewards with promotion to the premier league and all the financial gains that came with it. Ever since we have sold our better players and been incapable of replacing them with better or even equal ability. Hence why we have been in decline for 11 years.

Yet some still defend the club when they sell our better players for "massive" fees (anything over £1m) because being little old sheffielders they can't get their heads around such sums of money whilst the rest of football leaves us behind, rejecting offers of £10m+ for their better players.

Whilever we have fans accepting this backwards, old fashioned approach we will never get back to the upper echelons of the game.

 

[Esablade]

....the other night wasn't it!?!?

 

[metalblade]

We rejected a £4m bid for Phil Jagielka in the summer of 2005. 11 years ago.
Following doing this we reaped the rewards with promotion to the premier league and all the financial gains that came with it. Ever since we have sold our better players and been incapable of replacing them with better or even equal ability. Hence why we have been in decline for 11 years.

Yet some still defend the club when they sell our better players for "massive" fees (anything over £1m) because being little old sheffielders they can't get their heads around such sums of money whilst the rest of football leaves us behind, rejecting offers of £10m+ for their better players.

Whilever we have fans accepting this backwards, old fashioned approach we will never get back to the upper echelons of the game.

Always been the same at the lane think small time, act small time, end up small time, and that includes a lot of the fans too.

 

[Harry's Game]

Billy Gillespie

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

We rejected a £4m bid for Phil Jagielka in the summer of 2005. 11 years ago.
Following doing this we reaped the rewards with promotion to the premier league and all the financial gains that came with it. Ever since we have sold our better players and been incapable of replacing them with better or even equal ability. Hence why we have been in decline for 11 years.

Yet some still defend the club when they sell our better players for "massive" fees (anything over £1m) because being little old sheffielders they can't get their heads around such sums of money whilst the rest of football leaves us behind, rejecting offers of £10m+ for their better players.

Whilever we have fans accepting this backwards, old fashioned approach we will never get back to the upper echelons of the game.

Agree with the vast majority of that mate - apart from the last sentence. I can't think of one single Blade that accepts this. I can think of one "bigger Blade" at boardroom level that thinks we are all happy with it though.

Instead, every time an initial bid comes in, the board seem to be uber surprised and snap it up, rather than being resolute and getting what a player is worth, or above the odds. I imagine the board room as a giddy bunch of naive idiots, all as excited as small children that a bid has come in...

TAKE IT, TAKE IT, TAKE IT!

 

[Droppingwell]

Dominic Calvert-Lewin.

 

[Bert]

Whilever we have fans accepting this backwards, old fashioned approach we will never get back to the upper echelons of the game.

It's all the fans fault.........

 

[BushBlade]

We rejected a £4m bid for Phil Jagielka in the summer of 2005. 11 years ago.
Following doing this we reaped the rewards with promotion to the premier league and all the financial gains that came with it. Ever since we have sold our better players and been incapable of replacing them with better or even equal ability. Hence why we have been in decline for 11 years.

Yet some still defend the club when they sell our better players for "massive" fees (anything over £1m) because being little old sheffielders they can't get their heads around such sums of money whilst the rest of football leaves us behind, rejecting offers of £10m+ for their better players.

Whilever we have fans accepting this backwards, old fashioned approach we will never get back to the upper echelons of the game.

Please name one L1 club that has turned down a £10m bid?

 

[Superblades]

Who was it who bid 4mill for Jagielka in 05?

 

[BushBlade]

Who was it who bid 4mill for Jagielka in 05?

I thought it was after we'd won promotion, hence the relegation clause in the new contract we had to give him after turning down Wigan's bid.

 

[Rodley]

We rejected a £4m bid for Phil Jagielka in the summer of 2005. 11 years ago.
Following doing this we reaped the rewards with promotion to the premier league and all the financial gains that came with it. Ever since we have sold our better players and been incapable of replacing them with better or even equal ability. Hence why we have been in decline for 11 years.

Yet some still defend the club when they sell our better players for "massive" fees (anything over £1m) because being little old sheffielders they can't get their heads around such sums of money whilst the rest of football leaves us behind, rejecting offers of £10m+ for their better players.

Whilever we have fans accepting this backwards, old fashioned approach we will never get back to the upper echelons of the game.

Of course, it's not that simple. Some notable sales have turned out very well for us, others less so. I think the catastrophic recruitment of managers / MD's has had been far more detrimental effect than the sale of players in the last 11 years.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Probably loads of times but they were private bids so not in the public arena.

There were rumours we received at least 1 bid for Che Adams last year
But we refused as it was too low.

 

[Bladepicker]

Gareth Taylor to Utrecht, so we sold Deane and Fjortoft on the same day instead.....

 

[Sheffsteel]

In order to get Jags to sign for us his agent insisted on a clause otherwise be was going.

The gaurantee of sale if the club were relegated is reasonable and normal
BUT his agent wanted a clause that we would sell for the very low fee of £4 million.

It wouldn't surprise me if Everton were sniffing around before the Wigan game.
As they only had to pay £4 million then they could easily afford to pay Jags massive wages.

It does make you wonder during the Wigan game if Jags knew that if we lost then Everton
Were in to double or treble his wages.

It's a conspiracy theory but Jags handball in the 2nd half was that stupid it almost looked deliberate.

 

[Clarkey87]

Yet some still defend the club when they sell our better players for "massive" fees (anything over £1m) because being little old sheffielders they can't get their heads around such sums of money whilst the rest of football leaves us behind, rejecting offers of £10m+ for their better players.

Whilever we have fans accepting this backwards, old fashioned approach we will never get back to the upper echelons of the game.

Because it's always as straight forward as saying no isn't it........?

Whilever there are people spouting rubbish like those two paragraphs, there will always be entertainment on this board.

As someone already points out, there won't be any (or very many to say the least) fans that will defend a club that sells its best players cheaper than the going rates. I can't think of a player that fans have been happy to sell - aside from Jordan Slew which was a fine bit of business to get as much we did for someone so unproven (and ultimately it paid off and we came out best in that deal).

And again to reiterate what someone else has mentioned - point me to a league one club that has so far turned down a £10m+ bid for one of their "better" players......

 

[BushBlade]

Because it's always as straight forward as saying no isn't it........?

Whilever there are people spouting rubbish like those two paragraphs, there will always be entertainment on this board.

As someone already points out, there won't be any (or very many to say the least) fans that will defend a club that sells its best players cheaper than the going rates. I can't think of a player that fans have been happy to sell - aside from Jordan Slew which was a fine bit of business to get as much we did for someone so unproven (and ultimately it paid off and we came out best in that deal).

And again to reiterate what someone else has mentioned - point me to a league one club that has so far turned down a £10m+ bid for one of their "better" players......

The other problem is that there isn't a going rate. It's a process of negotiation that has to account for numerous influencing factors. The best you can do is try to find close comparables. And even then you can't account for a manager being prepared to pay a larger than normal amount to buy a specific player they really want. For example, just because Brayford cost us £1.5m (or whatever) it doesn't mean that all full backs in L1 are now worth £1.5m.

 

[Mickey Jupp]

I agree with the implied sentiments of the OP. I would once, just once, love to see the club say "no, sorry the player is under contract until June 2018 and he is legally obliged to fulfil his contract". Ok so we might lose £1m. Not a big deal - imaging what would have happened if we'd kept hold of Beattie, Walker, Blackman etc etc. We'll never know will we? because we took the money and look how far it got us.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Please name one L1 club that has turned down a £10m bid?

The clubs in league one haven't left us behind. The championship has however. Do you need me to point out the big money bids going around in that league? The league that we're miles behind because we sold any player with any kind of quality for peanuts?

 

[BushBlade]

The clubs in league one haven't left us behind. The championship has however. Do you need me to point out the big money bids going around in that league? The league that we're miles behind because we sold any player with any kind of quality for peanuts?

No, I'm fully aware of the money in the championship and also the PL, which we've been in twice.
But I don't really get your point. A championship club will earn more in transfer fees if it sells a good player but has to pay a much greater amount in wages and fees for replacement players. It comes in and goes straight out again. Apart from the clubs with parachute payments who've been able to sort out their wage bills after relegation, few clubs are in any better position financially than we are.

 

[SHOREHAMST.com]

Who was it who bid 4mill for Jagielka in 05?

Wigan.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The other problem is that there isn't a going rate. It's a process of negotiation that has to account for numerous influencing factors. The best you can do is try to find close comparables. And even then you can't account for a manager being prepared to pay a larger than normal amount to buy a specific player they really want. For example, just because Brayford cost us £1.5m (or whatever) it doesn't mean that all full backs in L1 are now worth £1.5m.

And the vast majority of posters on here are experts at negotiating football contracts remember....

 

[BushBlade]

And the vast majority of posters on here are experts at negotiating football contracts remember....

It's pretty obvious which posters on here actually negotiate contracts as part of their job or business and those that don't.
But everyone is entitled to an opinion, however ill-informed and it is a basic human right enshrined in the constitution of the UK to air it on a message board.

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's pretty obvious which posters on here actually negotiate contracts as part of their job or business and those that don't.
But everyone is entitled to an opinion, however ill-informed and it is a basic human right enshrined in the constitution of the UK to air it on a message board.

and if necessary post "FACT" for validation?

 

[BushBlade]

and if necessary post "FACT" for validation?

It's rarely necessary. Just try to be a bit vague and maybe throw in a couple of sentences that aren't grammatically correct so the meaning gets partially lost but add a headline figure and say 'that's the going rate'.
'FACT' is a bit BM and rather passé.