Wilder grateful for boards support

[1danewhitehouse]

I'm not aware of any posters who think McCabe is a hero. Name us one or two. Nobody I ever recall said that, just said he was someone who tried and failed, but some thank him for trying at least, others hate him for failing. There's a whole world of sentiment between the two extremes.

The last sentence is nicely put and a sentiment I agree with. There has to be an in between. My point is probably closer to the “hate him for failing” than “thank him for trying” but is still somewhere in between and I have, on occasion defended him believe it or not. I don’t think he’s the crook some paint him to be as others have said. I just think he’s an utterly shit chairman of a football club who doesn’t learn from his mistakes, deceives his paying public and refuses to accept responsibility for his actions blaming luck and the last fall guy he’s decided to axe.


But as for those who exalt him as a hero, I can’t remember every poster that has done it but you need look no further than blade too long for someone who seems to think he and the board do little wrong other than put their faith in poor managers who let them down. Over the years I think I’ve also seen the following quotes from others (or words to this effect)


“best chairman we’ve ever had”


“thank god we have McCabe to bail us out”


“I dread to think where we would be without McCabe”

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Good question, mixed feelings. I fear for clubs with 100% foreign owners who might not see things through. For example Wednesday, if things don't work out during the next couple of years where will they stand? All it takes is for them to have misjudged this current manager who will spend about £50m by the end of next season and yet could well fail, likely will fail. Then they choose another manager, spend another £50m and where will they be if he fails too, as we all know that can easily happen.

I like the fact McCabe is a Blade but he hasn't chosen a really good manager EVER IMO !! He has not had proper value for his money and we have all suffered as a result.

No bad luck ( apart from Tevez which was a scandal) just bad managers who haven't got it all together to achieve what was there for the taking. Warnock, Robson et al; mostly unambitious choices apart from one who was way over-ambitious and even more unrealistic, plain stupid in fact, though I understand the motivation to 'step up a level or two into the big league'.

I'm a similar age to McCabe and I like peace of mind and contentment that I am preserving my kids' inheritance while enjoying my retirement and the remainder of my life. McCabe must be all over the place, racked with guilt about the losses and really sorry that he has reduced his kids' inheritance by £60m or so and maybe more to follow. Added to that he will feel guilt as a Blade who failed fellow Blades. All football club owners are misguided egotists and what has happened with us will keep McCabe awake at night, no doubt about that whatsoever.

I would be please if he could release himself from our club with a face-saving legacy of a brilliant new owner. Yes I'd like him to leave for his sake as well as ours. Nobody successor could achieve so little with so much investment, or could they?

Largely agree with the sentiment here but I think you perhaps place too much emphasis on the managerial choices. They have been more bad than good but other decisions such as the timings of the sackings of Wilson and Blackwell, the Walker sale, Beattie Flu, Jacob Esan, The spiel about ending Jan 2013 stronger than we started it right before the sale of Blackman, the comments when the prince came on board about “no longer have to sell our young stars” followed by a blueprint of selling a young star every year, the constant change of approach with each new manager, the lack of a settled scouting system… the list goes on. It almost defies belief that he could get so much wrong. He seems worse than a stopped clock.


But I do agree that he will be haunted by the mess he has made of things and I don’t wish him ill. I want him to either succeed with us or find a way to brokering a deal that sees us go forward whilst he moves on with his life. We all want the same thing, but some of us fundamentally disagree with how it should be achieved. I have found myself disagreeing with McCabe so much over the years.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Absolutely agree with you. But Wilder was indicating a couple of weeks ago we would have to see a few of those listed go before he could anymore over the line.

I would be interested to know what percentage of the wage budget was cut in those ten released alone.

I think he said


3 x CB

1 x CM (left footed)

1 x winger (after Duffy) and

1 x target man


To come in and any more on top of that had to be facilitated by those on the list departing. Hammond and Diego have gone but we have presumably had to pay a certain amount to get rid of them. Not sure if what will create room for one more.

 

[blade too long]

When you say “moan about” do you mean the sales that significantly weakened us? If so, since the summer of 2012:-


Lowton

Quinn

Blackman

McDonald

Maguire

Murphy


That’s 6 key players sold in four years. That is not “occasionally”. That’s the best player every season. Probably Chesterfield and Swindon have sold more. I’d be interested if you could tell me any other club who has sold more than 6 key players in the last 4 years in our league? Who are the clubs? Who are the players?

I said 5 .cant count blackman hes only had one 3 month purple patch since he left.failed to score so far in 2016.most of those he scored for us were from a rash of penalties

 

[blade too long]

Where do you think the dislike of McCabe comes from? Do you think we all just wake up one day and decide we don’t like the look of his face?


Or do you think it has something to do with the lies, arrogance, contempt he has shown to the fans, all whilst presiding over the worst period in our history?


I agree that some go too far with the claims he’s making money out of us when all the evidence shows he’s been losing money (like 90% of chairmen) but his reign has been disastrous and he still wants to sit about blaming luck, not coming up with any sort of meaningful strategy and assuming it will all come good in the end because we are Sheffield United. He deserves an awful lot of criticism.

He desrves criticism in hindsight after some managers failed. He cant be criticised for Ched costing us a rapid return .that set us back more than we could have realised.Adkins on paper was worth a punt who knew his real quality rhymed with punt

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I said 5 .cant count blackman hes only had one 3 month purple patch since he left.failed to score so far in 2016.most of those he scored for us were from a rash of penalties

Can't count Blackman? In the top 2 and derail our season by selling our top scorer but we can't count it? Go on then, tell me the clubs that have sold more key players in that period other than Chesterfield and Swindon? You seem to think it's the majority so you should be able to reel off loads.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

He desrves criticism in hindsight after some managers failed. He cant be criticised for Ched costing us a rapid return .that set us back more than we could have realised.Adkins on paper was worth a punt who knew his real quality rhymed with punt

No hindsight needed to see that Robson was shite.

He can be criticised for us not having any sort of viable back up option for when Ched got sent down.

Adkins was only worth a punt if we were going to give him a proper crack at it. As we weren't, we might as well have let Clough have another season trying to finish the job.

 

[Rodders]

No hindsight needed to see that Robson was shite.

He can be criticised for us not having any sort of viable back up option for when Ched got sent down.

Adkins was only worth a punt if we were going to give him a proper crack at it. As we weren't, we might as well have let Clough have another season trying to finish the job.

As a point of pedantry, I agree with all your last 500 posts on this thread, but in my view the Club did make plans for Evans but they blew up; everyone was excited about Beattie coming back, no-one could have for-seen just quite how shit he eventually was and Hoskins wasn't on the face of it the worst signing, he was someone cheap who had some promise but couldn't get fit. O'Halloran was bobbar, I'll give you.
I think we could have brought Brian Deane circa 89/90 and still not gone up; the players looked shot from the MK Dons match onwards.

 

[I should coco]

Adkins was only worth a punt if we were going to give him a proper crack at it. As we weren't, we might as well have let Clough have another season trying to finish the job.

1DW

I agree with your sentiment, but given his signings of Hammond, Woolford and Sammon (50%) I dread to to think what a 'proper crack' might have looked like.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Largely agree with the sentiment here but I think you perhaps place too much emphasis on the managerial choices. They have been more bad than good but other decisions such as the timings of the sackings of Wilson and Blackwell, the Walker sale, Beattie Flu, Jacob Esan, The spiel about ending Jan 2013 stronger than we started it right before the sale of Blackman, the comments when the prince came on board about “no longer have to sell our young stars” followed by a blueprint of selling a young star every year, the constant change of approach with each new manager, the lack of a settled scouting system… the list goes on. It almost defies belief that he could get so much wrong. He seems worse than a stopped clock.


But I do agree that he will be haunted by the mess he has made of things and I don’t wish him ill. I want him to either succeed with us or find a way to brokering a deal that sees us go forward whilst he moves on with his life. We all want the same thing, but some of us fundamentally disagree with how it should be achieved. I have found myself disagreeing with McCabe so much over the years.

In amongst all these posts dane and the list of McCabe's mistakes you quote are you saying each manager was not given the tools to do the job, surely not.

Blackwell inherited a squad with a £23m wage bill and then managed a £17m wage bill the year after. Each and every manager since 2009 has had a really generous budget for the league we were in, with the exception of Weir who was given an austerity brief.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

As a point of pedantry, I agree with all your last 500 posts on this thread, but in my view the Club did make plans for Evans but they blew up; everyone was excited about Beattie coming back, no-one could have for-seen just quite how shit he eventually was and Hoskins wasn't on the face of it the worst signing, he was someone cheap who had some promise but couldn't get fit. O'Halloran was bobbar, I'll give you.
I think we could have brought Brian Deane circa 89/90 and still not gone up; the players looked shot from the MK Dons match onwards.

I take your point mate. Perhaps we should have built a better side not so reliant on one player that we knew was going to trial before the end of the season? But I can give McCabe a little slack on the "bad luck" for that season and Prem relegation/ Tevez affair. It doesn't make up for all the other years though. Let's also bear in mind that without the trial hanging over him, Evans would have been sold much earlier and we probably wouldn't have even been in the mix for automatic promotion.

 

[I should coco]

Let's also bear in mind that without the trial hanging over him, Evans would have been sold much earlier

That's brilliant pessimism/anti-McCabeism and I'd never even thought of that.

I wonder if Che Adams knows any budget hotels in North Wales.......

 

[1danewhitehouse]

In amongst all these posts dane and the list of McCabe's mistakes you quote are you saying each manager was not given the tools to do the job, surely not.

Blackwell inherited a squad with a £23m wage bill and then managed a £17m wage bill the year after. Each and every manager since 2009 has had a really generous budget for the league we were in, with the exception of Weir who was given an austerity brief.

Yes and no. A huge wage bill is all well and good but if it's huge because of the massive wages paid to players signed by the previous manager who don't fit the new manager's methods then it might as well not be huge.

They aren't given the tools in the following ways:-

they are undermined by the sale of a key player every season making it very difficult to build anything.

there is no scouting set up or continuity of style independent of the manager meaning they each need time to rebuild the squad in their own image.

They are not given that time.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

That's brilliant pessimism/anti-McCabeism and I'd never even thought of that.

I wonder if Che Adams knows any budget hotels in North Wales.......

Do you disagree? £20k a week in league 1 wouldn't have been allowed to continue. Henderson and other big earners were moved on when takers came. Nobody would touch Evans because of his trial. There was lots of talk about Ipswich/ Leicester/ Southampton/ Cardiff being ready to pounce if a not guilty verdict surfaced.

 

[I should coco]

Do you disagree? £20k a week in league 1 wouldn't have been allowed to continue. Henderson and other big earners were moved on when takers came. Nobody would touch Evans because of his trial. There was lots of talk about Ipswich/ Leicester/ Southampton/ Cardiff being ready to pounce if a not guilty verdict surfaced.

I'm generally prepared to cut McCabe a bit more slack than you, but I can't disagree with your suggestion we'd have flogged him. Having said that the trial was after the JTW and so a 'not guilty' would probably have meant we went up. We may still have sold him, but it would have been as a 'championship' striker with a bag full of goals to his name.

 

[Grappler]

Meanwhile, another good signing going elsewhere while our board probably never put a bid in, wake up United!!!!

Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SkySportsNewsHQ 4m4 minutes ago
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[Worksop II]

I'm generally prepared to cut McCabe a bit more, and agree with your suggestion to have him flogged.

fixed that for ya ...

 

[blade too long]

Can't count Blackman? In the top 2 and derail our season by selling our top scorer but we can't count it? Go on then, tell me the clubs that have sold more key players in that period other than Chesterfield and Swindon? You seem to think it's the majority so you should be able to reel off loads.

tell me what have we missed
a good penalty taker ,we didnt get 3 penalties or more all last season, so his ratio would be down
and as I said hes at derby and hasnt scored in 2016
how on earth are we missing a non scoring forwartd

it didnt derail our season , results did and the fact we got hardly any penalties
weve been top 2on other occasions since and didnt sell blackman as he wasnt here

 

[blade too long]

No hindsight needed to see that Robson was shite.

He can be criticised for us not having any sort of viable back up option for when Ched got sent down.

Adkins was only worth a punt if we were going to give him a proper crack at it. As we weren't, we might as well have let Clough have another season trying to finish the job.

how could mccabe be responsible for having no back up
good god wasnt him missing 3 games that cost us the whole squad was in shock their mate had got sent down , was like someone had died
had he missed the last 3 through injury we would have coped but it knocked the club for 6
we only had Beattie as back up
what twaddle you come out with

 

[Rodders]

tell me what have we missed
a good penalty taker ,we didnt get 3 penalties or more all last season, so his ratio would be down
and as I said hes at derby and hasnt scored in 2016
how on earth are we missing a non scoring forwartd

it didnt derail our season , results did and the fact we got hardly any penalties
weve been top 2on other occasions since and didnt sell blackman as he wasnt here

Outstanding.

 

[blade too long]

Adkins was only worth a punt if we were going to give him a proper crack at it..

what bollocks are you spouting there

a proper crack
a full season with a squad that had just finished 5th , sold just one player , who wanted away
was given the backing but chose not to use it
wasted 7 months chasing unavailable players

the man was a buffoon

 

[raul]

Jamie Murphy lost in the playoffs. Just goes to show.

 

[blade too long]

Yes and no. A huge wage bill is all well and good but if it's huge because of the massive wages paid to players signed by the previous manager who don't fit the new manager's methods then it might as well not be huge.

They aren't given the tools in the following ways:-

they are undermined by the sale of a key player every season making it very difficult to build anything.

there is no scouting set up or continuity of style independent of the manager meaning they each need time to rebuild the squad in their own image.

They are not given that time.

so you want quality players in , that cost in wages , but if we just miss out on a play off they become big mistakes and a millstone round our necks
Say if we blew 2m now and bought for arguments sake Bradley Dack for 2 m and 20 k a week
people would be happy , until we finish 3rd and lose in a play off again
then the next managers inherited that seasons crap

its a vicious circle

 

[blade too long]

Jamie Murphy lost in the playoffs. Just goes to show.

didnt turn up for us in either game v Swindon for us

 

[Pollingtonblade]

how could mccabe be responsible for having no back up
good god wasnt him missing 3 games that cost us the whole squad was in shock their mate had got sent down , was like someone had died
had he missed the last 3 through injury we would have coped but it knocked the club for 6
we only had Beattie as back up
what twaddle you come out with

That is the biggest load of fucking shit I've ever read and that includes the guardian!

 

[blade too long]

That is the biggest load of fucking shit I've ever read and that includes the guardian! ,,dont read your own posts then

how does mccabe become responsible , which was the point , even if there was no back up with beattie being injured
he only funds the team which he did
Wilson had cover, we missed going up due to a keeper missing a penalty

and if a team loses their star man to jail , you think they just shrug it off , really
the team at mk dons was flat, devastated
if one of your mates got sent down , youd carry on as normal

 

[Pollingtonblade]

how does mccabe become responsible , which was the point , even if there was no back up with beattie being injured
he only funds the team which he did
Wilson had cover, we missed going up due to a keeper missing a penalty

and if a team loses their star man to jail , you think they just shrug it off , really
the team at mk dons was flat, devastated
if one of your mates got sent down , youd carry on as normal

I'm on about Blackman

 

[blade too long]

I'm on about Blackman

well why did you respond to something else

Blackman scored some penalties in a short spell with us
since leaving us in january 2013 hes scored 18 goals in 3 and a half seasons 8 of them penalties
thats 5 a season

what the fuck have we missed out on
had he scored double that 10 a season might start to look viable ,just

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I'll join you in excitement if we sign another 3 good players - central defence, box to box midfield and target man striker. As yet we are a good bit short.

yes we are probably short - but the way football is now, I am sure Wilder has "offered" players contracts - but agents are no doubt holding out for a bit more else where. Problem with CW is he is really likely to tell them to fuck off if they dilly dally with him.

He doesn't appear to suffer fools gladly and agents even less - he'll do for me.

All action football will probably end up with more strains etc than injuries, so yes we do need some more bodies.

UTB

 

[Darthblade]

Or to look at it another way, for the last ten years we have been fed on a diet of shit and more shit. Now when someone turns up with cake it might just take a while to get the taste of shit out of your mouth. I truly hope things and times have changed but until we actually see it on the pitch then isn't it to be expected that many will be sceptical?

If you tell me I'm being unreasonable then fair enough, but as someone who has been fed on a 40 year diet of false dawns I would hope you had enough respect to at least understand why.

Have 11 likes mate ....... pretty much sums me up ....... I'm a self-confessed cynical old bas**rd after supporting the Blades for 52 years ......

UTB & FTP