Chris Basham, center mid,?

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I'm a bit concerned that Wilder thinks that Basham could be our main center mid! He doesn't have the quality I think needed for promotion. His commitment is not in question, but is he good enough? I think we desperately need more goals from midfield. Fleck is a good player but is not a big goal scoring midfielder.
 



My concern with Basham is that he has the typical utility player problem of being average and awkward in every position. Got some good qualities, no doubt, but he's had spells of looking strong in both defence and midfield and longer spells of being okay to poor in them too.

Longer term he's one I'd look to move on unless his performances improve (which they may well do), but he's not a priority. Probably okay for now while we address other areas.
 
Antonb said:
I'm a bit concerned that Wilder thinks that Basham could be our main center mid! He doesn't have the quality I think needed for promotion. His commitment is not in question, but is he good enough? I think we desperately need more goals from midfield. Fleck is a good player but is not a big goal scoring midfielder.
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Lets see what CW does first but i agree Basham isn't good enough, although we could see a different player under CW with Basham playing around more energetic and ultimately better players.
 
I think if he has creative players around him, he can be ok. If he's disciplined and sticks to his role he will be fine i'm sure. It's if they put him RM or Attacking-Midfield, then we're screwed.
 
Bottles it when he gets to the box, desperately looks to off load to someone else. Needs to be braver and start shooting when no other options available. Basham and Fleck will mean no goals (or very few) from the middle
 
I think based on Stocksbridge and CW,s pressing system he will go with 4 2 3 1 formation.

Also based on last weekend the best player in a holding 2 was J Wallace, by a mile. Put Fleck next to him and you have 2 ball playing midfielders who will come and take the ball off the centre backs and start play off.
Basham and Brookes did not come and take the ball, just sitting and waiting for things to happen.

Add the pace to close defenders down and make things happen you have to say the 3 in front of them would be Duffy, Done and Adams.

My team would be Long, Brayford, McFadzean, O'Connel, Hussey Fleck J Wallace Done, Adams, Duffy Sharp
 
St Annington said:
If CW plays 4-2-3-1 then Bash can do a very capable holding job with Fleck playing quarterback next to him in the 2. If Bray and Hussey push on and we lose possession Bash could then drop into a back 3 while we recover.
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Can see that working to be fair pal....
 
larkymasher said:
I think based on Stocksbridge and CW,s pressing system he will go with 4 2 3 1 formation.

Also based on last weekend the best player in a holding 2 was J Wallace, by a mile. Put Fleck next to him and you have 2 ball playing midfielders who will come and take the ball off the centre backs and start play off.
Basham and Brookes did not come and take the ball, just sitting and waiting for things to happen.

Add the pace to close defenders down and make things happen you have to say the 3 in front of them would be Duffy, Done and Adams.

My team would be Long, Brayford, McFadzean, O'Connel, Hussey Fleck J Wallace Done, Adams, Duffy Sharp
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Who the fuck is this J Wallace you so highly speak of? When did we sign this player? And does he come with any insurance? :)
 
Antonb said:
I'm a bit concerned that Wilder thinks that Basham could be our main center mid! He doesn't have the quality I think needed for promotion. His commitment is not in question, but is he good enough? I think we desperately need more goals from midfield. Fleck is a good player but is not a big goal scoring midfielder.
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Agreed ...... Basham is a squad player in a "promotion" side ....... the question is .......

Will the Board continue to support Tufty to assemble a realistic promotion chasing squad ?

UTB & FTP
 
mattbianco1 said:
I think if he has creative players around him, he can be ok. If he's disciplined and sticks to his role he will be fine i'm sure. It's if they put him RM or Attacking-Midfield, then we're screwed.
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Problem is that he's not the same sort of ball winner that Doyle and monty were
 



4 1 4 1 would suit us with the players we've brought in,Basham playing between defence and midfield,fleck + another new cm to complete the middle of the park.Best of both worlds for bash playing sweeper.
Really looking forward to this season.
 
The No.1 question of any formation/team is how many players a going to defend; and how many players are going to attack?

7 - 3?
6 - 4?
5 - 5?
4 - 6?
3 - 7?

and then which players do you have and where do they fit?
 
Thanks for the replys, this is my first post on this board. It seems there is a few out there that think the same as me. As for the stocksbridge game, I don't think you could gage anything from that game. Stocksbridge were, in my opinion, a poor side.
 
Basham will be effective in an anchoring midfield role in the right quartet. He's a solid enough if unspectacular footballer that can get about the pitch and provide a presence. With the likes of Duffy and Fleck foraging ahead of him we will carry enough threat as an attacking force to make Basham's job a little easier.

He looked distinctly average in midfield playing for a crap team last year, I think he would be one to play much better and benefit from better team mates. I'm happy with him there but he does need competition.

He's not a defender in my opinion. Only if you're out of options.
 
I think Basham can be turned into a defensive midfielder. He needs to have the positional discipline and awareness coached into him and needs to get used to channeling his energy in a different way.

As he is now I think he'd be good sharing the defensive responsibility in a deeper lying two along with Fleck, with someone in front of them.

Ultimately I'd prefer him to do the defensive job on his own with two other midfielders sat in front of him or just one alongisde in a 4-4-2. He can offer something going forward but he's not creative enough and he's never scored enough goals to make you feel like you'd be sacrificing too much by keeping him in a more defensive area and mindset.
 
Fleck needs a tall and strong central midfield goalscorer at the side of him to make up for his lack of physicality and goals. I'm not sure how hard it's going to be to find that player, and we might have to shell out for it, but if there's anything worth shelling out for it's a player like that. Basham is decent cover but that's all.

I think we ought to be willing to pay up anyway but If DCL or Adams end up going, that money will make things easier. That's assuming it actually goes on inward fees of course and doesn't just get used to pay wages until it runs out, in order to allow the owners not to put as much in.
 
My issue with basham in midfield is that he never wins the ball on the front foot facing the opposition goal and generally it's more of a recovery tackle.

Wilder is all about systems and he appears to be saying that basham will work in his system so interested as to what changes.

Matt partridge the fitness guy has a very good reputation of getting players on the park and Wallace stands a chance of partnering fleck. What a midfield two that would be.

I have adorned my tin hat. You all may start now...
 
Here comes the science part, concentrate (as Jennifer Aniston used to say) ;)

Each half of the pitch at Bramall Lane is approx 50m long.
CW wants to play a pressing game.
Our CB's can only push as far as the half-way line and still be able to use the off-side trap.
It is approx 32m from the half-way line to the penalty area (50 - 18 = 32) which is about as far as our forwards will realistically press
If we play with three banks of players i,e 4 - 4 - 2 that leaves approx 15m of space between our 'lines' - far too much space to allow the opposition to play in, if they can get the ball past us.
BUT if we play with four banks of players i.e. 4-2-3-1 (or 4-1-4-1 etc), we can now play a high pressing game but only leave approx 10m of space between our 'lines'
This minimises the available space for the opposition to play in, and leaving our players not to have to run so far to get a tackle in.

So I am convinced that CW will play with four banks of players, whatever the actual formation is.
 
I think the midfield area still needs strengthening - Basham's range of passing and heading isn't great - but I do think the MF will be helped by the arrival of decent CH's and LB ( a luxury they haven't had since Maguire left). I agree Basham needs help to sort out his positioning.

At the moment I would favour us using a similar formation to the one Wales employed in the Euro's unless we can get a bit of defensive steel and attacking threat in CMF which will allow a 442. To put any stake on J Wallace represents a massive gamble given his history in my view, though I do think K Wallace has a good engine and he did ok at LB tackling wise - could possibly develop into the midfield destroyer we are missing - but with the current crop of CMF's I suspect we are a way off managing with just two in there - hence the 352. That said though I think a lot will depend on Hussey and Brayford getting forward effectively for it to work.
 
sheffielder said:
My issue with basham in midfield is that he never wins the ball on the front foot facing the opposition goal and generally it's more of a recovery tackle.

Wilder is all about systems and he appears to be saying that basham will work in his system so interested as to what changes.

Matt partridge the fitness guy has a very good reputation of getting players on the park and Wallace stands a chance of partnering fleck. What a midfield two that would be.

I have adorned my tin hat. You all may start now...
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Basham to me is a good squad player . One thing we have to watch is falling in to the trap of having more good squad players than the first 11.

Wallace as we all know and appreciate could be the missing link , with same said for Coutts . I won't hold my breath on both . Matt Partridge may be good but the players need to want it , and previously due to the work ethic at the Lane , they have just wanted the easy option IMO.

It's a sad state of affairs that we have 2no very talented players who have yet to prove themselves to there known full potential .

Wilder will either nurture them or bin them . No room for sentiment at the Lane or young Tel would still be on the books.

No tin hat needed as we all will go with Wilders judgement.
 
Impossible to dislike Basham, because of his top class attitude. But...

As said in a post above: can Wilder make him a braver player than he currently is?

No problem with his tackling, full-blooded as it often is - but he needs to stop treating the ball like a hot potato, needs to offer for the ball more, and he needs very much to shoot more.

If Wilder sees him as one of his many captains on the pitch, then Bash needs to start taking a bit more responsibility.
 
I mentioned this elsewhere but I genuinely think if Brayford goes or doesn't live up to his former glories, Basham could do great at Right Back. Also Basham in a midfield with a proper defence behind him might be an improvement on what we saw last year.
 
sheffielder said:
My issue with basham in midfield is that he never wins the ball on the front foot facing the opposition goal and generally it's more of a recovery tackle.
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What you mean just like Claude Makelele? (Now i'll don my tin hat .........) :(
 



Been saying all week that we need to sign a midfield general far more than we do Mcfadz, or any other CB for that matter.

Basham is much better at CB than he is in midfield and can certainly act as 3rd or 4th choice CB.

I can also see him starting a lot in his best position, RB, if Brayford still isn't 100%
 
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