Don't sell our future and optimism.

[FTPE]

Talking to a friend at the Stocksbridge game we both agreed that we were more than happy with the squad Wider is pulling together.
Where we did disagree is how to bring in the finishing touches, maybe a winger, a fourth centre back and a target man. Long story short- my friend would cash in on both Che and DCL.
At first it was hard to disagree. If we received 2-3m for two extremely raw talents we could have brought in the player who was top of my wish list- Kemar Roofe. Wilder could have easily paid the asking price for his first choice centre back in Macfadzean, even the newly available Lee Gregory would be doable.
The main thing that put me off this idea was the fans optimism and positiveness. We've taken a beating over the last few years and worryingly we seem to lose our prospects earlier and earlier in their careers every time. We don't even get a few years out of them any more, they show some potential and get snapped straight up.
The best way I could describe it is the signing of Woolford. You can't buy enthusiasm and desire. We might not see the best out of Lewin next year but the excitement and promise of the lad will give the fans a much bigger lift than any Woolford type signing ever will. Woolford could be an unfair example for obvious reasons but even players like Duffy (a signing I'm extremely happy with) have probably reached their peak. Yes it's a high peak and next season he could be the difference, but long term Che at least could go on to much, much bigger things.
Fans are excited by the Unknown, they get even more excited by potential, add in a cool name like Diego or Che and they get a lot more press and coverage than a player called Martin.
Yes, United need a squad strong enough to get out of this league first be we can not get the reputation of a club that sells its youngsters without getting the odd success out of them first. The more we achieve the longer we will be able to fight the bigger clubs off but right now I'd like to draw a line in the sand and hang on to some of these exciting kids and see what they can do.
If wilder can get an extra 10% out of our regulars, bring in some shrewd signings and motivate the older lads then I also believe he can bring on the likes of Che and DCL tenfold in just a few months.
I would love another 2,3 signings but personally if it meant selling two of our biggest assets then I'd rather go into the new season with the squad we already have. 3 years and even the pigs might not be able to afford our top homegrown stars.

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[David Lee's first touch]

To let adams go for anything under 5mil and with a large percentage sell on fee would be total lunacy.

 

[I should coco]

To let adams go for anything under 5mil and with a large percentage sell on fee would be total lunacy.

To BUY Adams for anything overr 5mil and with a large percentage sell on fee would be total lunacy.

There you are, corrected it for you.

The Adams agaist Spurs was a raw talent and maybe worth a gamble at £1-2m. Last season's Adams was an unintelligent footballer with no ability to read a game or any positional nous.

Somewhere there is a Bournemouth forum (www.bh77af.com?) going into meltdown

 

[Trueblade]

I think the issue is we are in League One. As fans we are all dismayed by the fact we cannot get out of this league, we consider it as not being good enough for the club. You imagine being Adams or DCL. If fans think it's a shit league then why on earth would they want to stay if club in a higher division comes in for them.

First and foremost we have to accept better players may get poached, but we have to make sure we do the right business at the right time, and have processes in place that we can identify players who can come in and do a job for us. Wilder should really be prepared for the possibilty that Adams is out the door and have an idea of who can replace him. We all know that it's likely interest will grow, so I'd be bloody disappointed if we are not out there identifying potential replacements already.

I wouldn't blame either player if there heads were turned, we are quick to lynch them when they want to go. They have aspirations as does everybody else, it's just sad when they go to clubs and rot on the bench or in the reserves which we have seen time and time again.

 

[Barney]

Depends on the price entirely.

It'd be absolutely crazy to turn down £1m for DCL.

 

[David Lee's first touch]

To BUY Adams for anything overr 5mil and with a large percentage sell on fee would be total lunacy.

There you are, corrected it for you.

The Adams agaist Spurs was a raw talent and maybe worth a gamble at £1-2m. Last season's Adams was an unintelligent footballer with no ability to read a game or any positional nous.

Somewhere there is a Bournemouth forum (www.bh77af.com?) going into meltdown

I'll give you Deeney and benteke both had 30 Mil plus bids. Makes 5mil for Adams sound like a bargain for a premier league club. As for last season martial and rashford would have looked unintelligent playing with the shower of shite we had. Che has a lot to learn footballing wise but the talent is there.

 

[sheffielder]

Selling DCL would help financing the completion of this team.
In regards to Adams, if Bournemouth have paid £15m for Lewis Cook from Leeds and Ibe from Liverpool, then I am not letting him go for at least 3m,

On a business level I think we should keep adams another year before thinking about selling because i think Wilder can get more out of him, which benefits us going up and double/tripling his value,

 

[PokerBlade]

All I've seen of DCL is his few home appearances, and while I'm not reaching any conclusions about the lad yet I also haven't seen much to get excited about. Adams still has a lot of qualities I think could make him a star, but equally I'm not going overboard about his potential. For every Sharp you regret letting go there's a few Slews and Fortes that you wish you'd cashed in on while you could. There are very few in the mould of Walker that looked like a complete, and top quality, player the moment they stepped into the first team. Even Maguire hasn't progressed since leaving us (granted, we'd have been much better served by holding on to him).

I wouldn't want to lose Adams right now. I think his physique means that if he can learn to use his strength in the hold up game that he could be a real quality all-round forward. That said, I think there's a price at which we wouldn't be doing badly from a deal. The main concern is that quality strikers are hard to find and if we do sell then I don't want it to be typical United selling at the last hour ending up with no replacement. Adams and Sharp are the first choice strikers for me, and unless another comes in selling one would be a big mistake.

 

[Jesus_was_a_Blade]

Wouldn't want to sell Che for anything short of "Daft Money"

With regards to DCL, if we got an offer in excess of £1million it would make so much more sense to sell, assuming it would be re-invested.

Yes he might have potential, but in reality he's probably our 5th choice striker. If selling him means we can bring in Mcfadzean and either another midfielder or target man than I'd be more than happy to let him go.

 

[David Lee's first touch]

Depends on the price entirely.

It'd be absolutely crazy to turn down £1m for DCL.

I haven't seen enough of him to say either way. For someone who sold there season ticket 2 months into last season I'd suggest the same could be said of you.

 

[Dnblade]

I'm hoping we can hang onto both,as it would be good to see how they develop this season,but I expect a few will be moved on,and as long as we get a good deal it's not the end of the world,...Hopefully Che can get that inconsistent first touch sorted out,and improve his fitness,and hopefully a lot more to come from DCL ..looks to have grown another couple of inches in that photo on the other thread.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Someone's bound to be going (to raise funds). We've got a glut of strikers. And we're meant to be creating a leaner squad in which everyone is kept involved and has a shot at a first team place.

All about Wilder IMO. If he believes a sale will help him, rather than hinder him, in his squad building ambitions then fine with me. But if we're getting players sold against his wishes, then that's another matter entirely. With Wilder, we'll be able to tell.

 

[cooperblade]

With the way Premier League transfer fees are going after the latest TV deal, I think you have to work out what's a good price and then multiply it by 3. The current situation is like nothing that's gone before and you just have to suspend logic when looking at prices.

James Tomkins for £12,500,000 is probably as good an indication as any.

If we need to sell, then I could live with DCL going but I think we need to keep Che (just think how short of pace and unpredictability we'd be without him). If they are both going, I'd say DCL is worth £300k to £500 so we should be looking for £900k to £1.5m and Che is worth £1m to £1.5m so we'd want £3m to £4.5m.

 

[wizadry]

Great OP FTPE and great thread.

 

[grafikhaus]

I'll give you Deeney and benteke both had 30 Mil plus bids. Makes 5mil for Adams sound like a bargain for a premier league club.

Comparing apples with pears. Benteke - Belgian International and has done it in the Premier League (42 goals in 89 apps. at Villa, 9 goals in 29 apps. at Liverpool). Deeney 90 goals in 243 apps. at Watford has done it in the Premier League. Adams, struggling to become established at Third Division level, 11 goals in 46 apps. Lots of promise but his career could go either way. A £1.5-£2m punt based on appearances at best.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

To BUY Adams for anything overr 5mil and with a large percentage sell on fee would be total lunacy.

There you are, corrected it for you.

The Adams agaist Spurs was a raw talent and maybe worth a gamble at £1-2m. Last season's Adams was an unintelligent footballer with no ability to read a game or any positional nous.

Somewhere there is a Bournemouth forum (www.bh77af.com?) going into meltdown

I just don't know were to go on this one . Putting aside what's best for the club and what's best for the player syndrome , it makes nice reading that after the last 2 seasons debacle , we have at least 2 players , which other clubs are interested in.

With the daft money floating around and clubs with more money than sense , the only thing I don't want us to do is sell ourselves short as we usually do.

With Wilder at the helm , whatever happens , we won't have our leg lifted anymore , and no doubt will come out smiling .

Difficult one for manager , board , fans , but let's not forget we are a established league 1 club , hopefully going for promotion this season.



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[sheffielder]

Great OP FTPE and great thread.

Wanker post

 

[Chali 2na]

To BUY Adams for anything overr 5mil and with a large percentage sell on fee would be total lunacy.

There you are, corrected it for you.

The Adams agaist Spurs was a raw talent and maybe worth a gamble at £1-2m. Last season's Adams was an unintelligent footballer with no ability to read a game or any positional nous.

Somewhere there is a Bournemouth forum (www.bh77af.com?) going into meltdown

I think you may forgetting the silliness of PL fees. Had you have said £1-2m two years ago before the new TV deal I'd tend to agree, but with the money swilling around at the minute, I think double that would look more reasonable.
I agree with you that Adams isn't the most intelligent footballer, but despite this he still managed 11 goals in his first full season playing league football.

2 things that PL clubs look for, therefore driving up a player's value, is physicality and being English. 2 things Che has in his favour.

Comparing apples with pears. Benteke - Belgian International and has done it in the Premier League (42 goals in 89 apps. at Villa, 9 goals in 29 apps. at Liverpool). Deeney 90 goals in 243 apps. at Watford has done it in the Premier League. Adams, struggling to become established at Third Division level, 11 goals in 46 apps. Lots of promise but his career could go either way. A £1.5-£2m punt based on appearances at best.

He's not saying Che is as good as Deeney or Benteke, he's using them as an example of the madness of transfer fees.

Deeney scored 13 goals last year, his first and only PL season, and Watford still rejected £25m.

 

[David Lee's first touch]

Comparing apples with pears. Benteke - Belgian International and has done it in the Premier League (42 goals in 89 apps. at Villa, 9 goals in 29 apps. at Liverpool). Deeney 90 goals in 243 apps. at Watford has done it in the Premier League. Adams, struggling to become established at Third Division level, 11 goals in 46 apps. Lots of promise but his career could go either way. A £1.5-£2m punt based on appearances at best.

Bad example's I agree. The point I'm trying to make is that the money in the pl is crazy,even more so because of the new TV deal. In my opinion anything under 5 Mil for che wouldn't be a good deal.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Bad example's I agree. The point I'm trying to make is that the money in the pl is crazy,even more so because of the new TV deal. In my opinion anything under 5 Mil for che wouldn't be a good deal.

There is so much money swilling around in the premiership you could payback £5m for a flop and not really miss it . We need to take advantage of this . With che being young and English , then this should be a bonus.

He will go I am sure , but let's not embarrass ourselves in doing a Harry .

 

[Bladesway]

To BUY Adams for anything overr 5mil and with a large percentage sell on fee would be total lunacy.

There you are, corrected it for you.

The Adams agaist Spurs was a raw talent and maybe worth a gamble at £1-2m. Last season's Adams was an unintelligent footballer with no ability to read a game or any positional nous.

Somewhere there is a Bournemouth forum (www.bh77af.com?) going into meltdown

Lets fucking hope our board don't buy into your thought process. We have Premiership clubs wading around with money burning a hole in their pocket. Che is young and English. That appears to carry a fair weight in transfer fee in itself. Raw yes, but if we drop our knickers for any less than £5m + clauses then we are no further forward than we were when we sold Beattie to Stoke and effectively gave up any hope of promotion.

 

[grafikhaus]

I read at the weekend that every PL game will net £11m for the home team (thank fuck Wendy didn't make it). Man. U. want Pogba for £100m and a five-year, £300,000 per week contract.

Agree. Let's see what we can get for Che but, based on previous transfers, don't hold your breath.

 

[BushBlade]

If we all trust Wilder so much why don't we let him set what he thinks is the right fee and tell the board not to accept any less?

 

[Sheffsteel]

Some good points here.

In the real world our youngsters are worth 1 million max based just on potential.
DCL has the look of a good player but has done nothing so far.
CA looked a real talent at the beginning of last season but since he signed his big contract tying him to the club surprise surprise he's stagnated and looked very average for most of last season.

However the PL ISN'T the real world.
PL teams can easily afford a token 5 million gamble for a player that has achieved nothing but has some potential.

So although CA is no where near worth 5 million I expect the club to hold out and only sell for ridiculous money.

 

[BushBlade]

It's about demand and potential.

Who wants him and how good they are.

If there top end PL clubs want a player, you might get £5m, as they believe he has the potential to play at that level and if he proves he can, he's worth more.

If one PL club is interested, he's worth less as they are taking a gamble others won't so presumably it's considered a bigger gamble.

If it's championship clubs, again, he's worth less.

When looking at comparables, you have to look at the closest, like for like if you can ie a player of the same age in the same position going to a similar club from the same league as you're in, similar number of games and with a similar length of contract remaining.
If you can't find that, you look at the closest and make allowances for the differences.

 

[wizadry]

Wanker post

Which hand though?

 

[sheffielder]

Which hand though?

Your 'other hand' as it fumbly and feels like how your wife used to do

 

[wizadry]

Your 'other hand' as it fumbly and feels like how your wife used to do

How the fucking fuckity fuck fuck do you know my wife and how did you know she's a fumbling dozy twat?

And I don't want to see a reply with just the winking icon.

 

[Sean Thornton]

£5 million for Che?

Really?

 

[Sean Thornton]

How the fucking fuckity fuck fuck do you know my wife and how did you know she's a fumbling dozy twat?

And I don't want to see a reply with just the winking icon.

I told him.