Potential replacements for Robson

[keenzy]

yeah they shouldnt have been singing it when they scored but in truth i didnt hear them until the second half. i was too busy screaming come on blades

i would love to be a fly on the wall in the board room, because i really dont see why we should stick with robson.

 

[happyhippy]

The list of managers people want here seems to be growing. Let's analyse them.

Ince - why? Miserable moaner.
Davies - neither use nor ornament.
Hoddle - I don't know what we anybody did in a previous life to deserve this pillock.
Speed - does anybody think Robson would really be stupid enough to go out and find his own replacement? No experience.
Allardice - hoofball (TM) specialist.
Keegan - hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Dalglish - bought one title, done nowt else.

Any more candidates? Most if not all of the decent managers are either doing well or won't come. Who really would want to come to a club where the fans are on the manager's back?

I'm not sure that Allardyce or Davies would be that bad. I wanted Coleman here all along, but we haven't a snowball's chance of that now. Micky Adams and John Collins look to be the only two others at the moment.

I can't see us poaching anyone in particular.

 

[happyhippy]

Thats all well and good, but you didn't appoint the bloke, nor do you hold the power to sack him. You don't know who he has lined up in the transfer window and you don't know whats going off behind the scenes. You don't know if Ince would come, nor if he's ever been talked to.

Many people said that if we stuck with Warnock we'd never be promoted and he'd ruin the club, it didn't happen that way did it?

To be fair Foxy, we're in a much different position from when St Neil took over. Tablewise, we're better, just; squadwise (on paper) much better; moneywise, immensely better.

Nobody was running round singing "Oh! What a beautiful morning!" when Warnock turned up, and I can remember the interview with Kevin Titterton from BIFA on Five Live the day he was appointed, when he said "It's all good and well being a Blade, but you've got to deliver.". When Warnock turned up, there was no option but to wait and hope. What did happen was way above what we expected. Warnock took over a floundering side, second bottom of the table in December, and skint.

A thoroughly different situation from when Sornob took over. I don't think the two are comparable.

I agree with you that something has to change and at the present time Robson is failing at doing so, but i'm not sure sacking him/paying him off and paying someone else as inexperienced as Ince is the right method to take.

Sacking him is fine, but I totally agree that taking an inexperienced manager is a bad idea. I'd even take Venables at the moment.

McCabe seems to me to have got Sornob like a gambler who wants to buy money on an odds-on shot. I've seen horses lose at 1/10 in a three horse race.

In my mind its absolutely clear that the board will not remove Robson from the position until at least the end of the season unless he does something really really stupid or totally out of order. McCabe has never been a trigger happy kinda guy and the Blades we see today and solid base we all moan about being wasted has been made up by continuity and not chopping and changing staff every few weeks.

I totally agree with you about Sornob not going before the end of the year, but I think that's a bad idea. I'm a big McCabe fan. Thinking back to some of our recent head honchos, he's been a hero, and I'm sure he will continue to be one. I do think, however, that he WAS being trigger happy by getting a 'name' in too quickly. I didn't want St Neil to go, but ......... at least there would have been some continuity, which could have offset the tottering caused by our 'weird' close season.

As bad as everyone thinks it is, its been far far worse just in my time as a Blade and rarely can I remember a time when people have been so impatient and venomous. What happened to supporting a club and not acting like spoilt brats/chanting the name of the oppositions manager when we go a goal down? Even the usually so cool Stead/Hulse are clearly being affected by the pressure, how about giving them a lift rather than booing them for missing?

Perfect words.

I can remember being dragged up from London to an atrocious FA Cup replay at Altrincham when I was 7. Things have been a hell of a lot worse than now. Oh, what fun it was going to school, infant school for that matter, and people taking the right royal because we'd been beaten at Colchester 5-2, when surrounded by Arsenal, Tottenham, West Sham, Manure, Liverpool, Palace, Chelsea, Charlton, Orient and Brentford fans all about. All above us in the league at the time, by a Division.

Thankfully nobody supported Millwall.

What must be remembered is that there are people who jumped on the bandwagon (let's face it, loads did), who expect a lot more than fans did 17 years ago when we were promoted last time. Whether they should or not is maybe a moot point.

 

[happyhippy]

we get our vote in who we want in charge of the country,

You don't get to choose who runs your local Sainsbury's though, no matter how much you spend.

 

[happyhippy]

Bloke next to us talks total crap all match.....is it his choice too?

Oi! I don't sit next to thee

 

[Foxy]

A thoroughly different situation from when Sornob took over. I don't think the two are comparable.

Whilst I agree its a totally different situation, one of the problems is, many many people are comparing the two in every little detail.

The same people who used to moan about Warnock "ranting like an idiot" are now complaining that Robson doesn't.
People who wanted Warnock out, sing "we want our warnock back" and join in with the Palace celebrations.

The most recent comparison I have in terms of fans demanding the board take action is over Neil Warnock, hence my comparison. Many wanted him out before we got promoted. Many never wanted him in charge. The reality is, at the time the board didn't listen to the vocal ones and we ended up with a 7 year reign with bad times, but some of the best times in recent blades history.

Sacking him is fine, but I totally agree that taking an inexperienced manager is a bad idea. I'd even take Venables at the moment.

The problem with getting someone with experience is either they'll want a fortune (and it'll also cost us plenty in getting rid of Robson) or they are already employed in what they would see as a better job than the lane. Perhaps someone coming in to help Robson would be the ideal, just like he's had Venables in the past. I think the powers that be however, thought the man to step up to that plate would be Kidd.

If we'd have stayed up, I think maybe Warnock would have been out on a high and we'd have ended up with a team such as Robson & Dalglish.

I totally agree with you about Sornob not going before the end of the year, but I think that's a bad idea. I'm a big McCabe fan. Thinking back to some of our recent head honchos, he's been a hero, and I'm sure he will continue to be one. I do think, however, that he WAS being trigger happy by getting a 'name' in too quickly. I didn't want St Neil to go, but ......... at least there would have been some continuity, which could have offset the tottering caused by our 'weird' close season.

It may indeed be a mistake, but is there anything else out there that would be less of a risk to take?, can anyone think of anyone realistically available that we could be sure will turn things around?
Lets face it, they'd have to hit the ground running, something very difficult to do in such a situation.
I think your right in that he may have rushed the appointment, but that was probably due to the weird close season and the way in which we were relegated. I think in terms of continuity, they thought Kidd would have done a lot more on that side. Whether we'd have been better off having a total clearout/change we'll never know.
I definately think we are missing the bad guy within the coaching team, someone that will have a real go at the players and who has a more aggressive approach to things. I have heard however that Mr Robson can be very different to his public persona on this side of things.

What must be remembered is that there are people who jumped on the bandwagon (let's face it, loads did), who expect a lot more than fans did 17 years ago when we were promoted last time. Whether they should or not is maybe a moot point.

I think its a very difficult balance between expectation and realism. Of course we should expect the best, but some of the reactions all over at times are nothing short of ridiculous. Its a problem in football all over these days and probably brought along with the money men and the big boys trying to buy instant success.

 

[keenzy]

"You don't get to choose who runs your local Sainsbury's though, no matter how much you spend."

1 i dont shop at sainsbury's
2 if i was to put in a complaint about the manager doing a bad job i think something would happen. if lots of people were complaining he would be outed.

"I have heard however that Mr Robson can be very different to his public persona on this side of things."

i have herd from a very reliable source that he lets kid do the coaching, turns up says a few words then goes into his office. he's pretty much the same as his public side.

 

[Devil Blade]

Everyone is saying things need to change......

Personal abuse and supporting the away team manager is not the way forward.

Up The Blades!

OK then let's stick with Robson no matter what cos that makes sense. yeah right Here we come Div 1.

 

[Foxy]

i have herd from a very reliable source that he lets kid do the coaching, turns up says a few words then goes into his office. he's pretty much the same as his public side.

Does the reliable source watch him drive from the academy back to his office then? I don't see however what this has to do with him not publicly displaying passion?, my point was that he can and has blown up at his players and isn't as laid back and none passionate as his appears.

Whilst i've not been down to watch them for a good while, I have seen him on camera training with the team and putting balls into the box for Beattie to head in.

He's still got a far better cross on him than any of our wingers

I've also heard from the inside that he puts in more than his fair share of work and has been often the last person to leave and that he's also a lot more hands on in training than Warnock ever was (he used to leave most training sessions to his coaches).

Perhaps thats where Robbo is going wrong, he should leave them all to it and go shopping

 

[Monty's_Girl]

"You don't get to choose who runs your local Sainsbury's though, no matter how much you spend."

1 i dont shop at sainsbury's
2 if i was to put in a complaint about the manager doing a bad job i think something would happen. if lots of people were complaining he would be outed.

"I have heard however that Mr Robson can be very different to his public persona on this side of things."

i have herd from a very reliable source that he lets kid do the coaching, turns up says a few words then goes into his office. he's pretty much the same as his public side.

i've heard that too

 

[Foxy]

OK then let's stick with Robson no matter what cos that makes sense. yeah right Here we come Div 1.

Why bother quoting a post that has absolutely no relevance to your reply?

Where in the post about personal abuse does it say that we should stick with Robson?

 

[silverfox]

OK then let's stick with Robson no matter what cos that makes sense. yeah right Here we come Div 1.

Read my post.......i think i said something needs to change.

 

[Greasy Chip Butty]

IF Robson is still here after January then i do think he should be given until the end of the season to see how he gets his new signings and the rest of the team in general playing.
If theres no significant improval, have to be with the way we're playing at the moment, then he should go as it would be considered 'his' team with his players and he hasnt got them playing.

 

[Devil Blade]

Everyone is saying things need to change......

Personal abuse and supporting the away team manager is not the way forward.

Up The Blades!

If YOU read your post you will find that you DON'T state that things need to change.

Anyway Silverfox looking over your past posts on many subjects it seems you like to disagree with people on any given subject.

So don't waste my time with your 6th form banter.

 

[silverfox]

If YOU read your post you will find that you DON'T state that things need to change.

Anyway Silverfox looking over your past posts on many subjects it seems you like to disagree with people on any given subject.

So don't waste my time with your 6th form banter.

I disagree with all do i?

So be it......I'm sure all that know me will agree.

6th form???

 

[BexleyBlade]

I along with virtually all Blades appreciate the need for change - 1 thing Robson has in his favour is he knows what areas we need to change and clearly (unlike Warnock) has some ability to capture some worthwhile targets

Id say stick with him - its clear the board are backing him and protests and chants arent going to have any impact on what Mcabe does ... The only affect its having is a negative one - its clear its not helping the players (especially with 30mins still to play)

Furthermore weve established there is no proven capable replacement for him at present ... I for one never thought Robson was right for the job but hes what weve got at present so lets do the best with it - Weve said it before about players - "Gillespie doesnt work hard enough to start" but when supported and confident hes capable of performing

Robson is probably not right for United but change is never immediate however change is needed now - Lets do our bit for what it counts

UTB!

 

[silverfox]

Everyone is saying things need to change......

Personal abuse and supporting the away team manager is not the way forward.

Up The Blades!

Oops did I say that??

Not according to some??

I have said it elsewhere too.....but

 

[keenzy]

"Does the reliable source watch him drive from the academy back to his office then? I don't see however what this has to do with him not publicly displaying passion?, my point was that he can and has blown up at his players and isn't as laid back and none passionate as his appears."


Admitted he has got more passionate but that was only because he got a prod from the directors.

"Whilst i've not been down to watch them for a good while, I have seen him on camera training with the team and putting balls into the box for Beattie to head in."

doing it for the cameras

"I've also heard from the inside that he puts in more than his fair share of work and has been often the last person to leave"

ive heard from the source he is that last to leave, but dosent hang around with the players. has his dinner on his own and spends much of the time on his own not with the team. this may be trying to get deals in and working out what formation to play, i dont know.

 

[Foxy]

Admitted he has got more passionate but that was only because he got a prod from the directors.

I'm talking about away from the public. Its really starting to show when you look at the bloke. Contrary to popular belief, he doesn't look tired because he's an alco, he looks tired because he has the weight of an underperforming football club on his shoulders and pressure from the fans/board. If he wasn't passionate about his career, he wouldn't give a toss, infact he'd probably prefer to get sacked asap to get his payoff and save the stress.

doing it for the cameras

Maybe so. One of these cameras though was in a mobile phone, i'm sure even the biggest media whore wouldn't suddenly act for that

 

[silverfox]

Maybe so. One of these cameras though was in a mobile phone, i'm sure even the biggest media whore wouldn't suddenly act for that

SEB did didn't he?

 

[Come from away]

Seems if we listen to Robson on the main site he is staying, he is backed by the board and we are bringing payers in. So I guess all the moning is just for fun and to relieve the tension. Good luck Robbo.

 

[happyhippy]

Whilst I agree its a totally different situation, one of the problems is, many many people are comparing the two in every little detail.

The same people who used to moan about Warnock "ranting like an idiot" are now complaining that Robson doesn't.
People who wanted Warnock out, sing "we want our warnock back" and join in with the Palace celebrations.

And they are clearly numbskulls. The usual noisy minority. Even in the 'couple of mediocre seasons but not as bad as it is now' seasons under St Neil, the feeling isn't as it is now. Even the first season after relegation under St David of Bassett wasn't like this.

Frankly, the tide has turned too quickly, but I can understand why. There has been a sea change in attitude and performance.

The most recent comparison I have in terms of fans demanding the board take action is over Neil Warnock, hence my comparison. Many wanted him out before we got promoted. Many never wanted him in charge. The reality is, at the time the board didn't listen to the vocal ones and we ended up with a 7 year reign with bad times, but some of the best times in recent blades history.

Granted, but in completely different circumstances. The last two close seasons are the only ones ever where the manager could spend, APART from when the club nearly went bust trying to buy its way to the top flight under Kendall.

£1m for a player who made 45 minutes away at Ipswich anyone? Before that we had a record signing of Brian Gayle (£700,000) from Ipswich, and Bassett had to stump up some of the cash from his own account.

Recent Blades history is pure stagnation. In terms of moving up and down the leagues, we had the same length of stay in the second tier as Barnsley did before their promotion. That's how average we've been. That brief glimpse is all a lot of 'new' fans will have had. It's the only season in the top flight my eldest has seen ....... she also called drawing against Rushden & Diamonds "a complete disaster" aged 5.

I taught her well.

The problem with getting someone with experience is either they'll want a fortune (and it'll also cost us plenty in getting rid of Robson) or they are already employed in what they would see as a better job than the lane. Perhaps someone coming in to help Robson would be the ideal, just like he's had Venables in the past. I think the powers that be however, thought the man to step up to that plate would be Kidd.

Which clearly tells me that you agree that Sornob isn't up to the task. If you really want Kidd to take on a managerial role, then see a psychiatrist very soon. Clearly you wouldn't want him to do that.

If we'd have stayed up, I think maybe Warnock would have been out on a high and we'd have ended up with a team such as Robson & Dalglish.

Who knows, but I think St Neil would have either gone up a bit, or stayed on to nurture a new manager. Don't forget, our talisman, Jags, would still have been here too, and no 'fancy Dans'

It may indeed be a mistake, but is there anything else out there that would be less of a risk to take?, can anyone think of anyone realistically available that we could be sure will turn things around?
Lets face it, they'd have to hit the ground running, something very difficult to do in such a situation.

Agreed, but at least they may be running forwards. I see nothing but regression in Sornob. I'd take a gamble.

I think your right in that he may have rushed the appointment, but that was probably due to the weird close season and the way in which we were relegated. I think in terms of continuity, they thought Kidd would have done a lot more on that side. Whether we'd have been better off having a total clearout/change we'll never know.

Kidd's a coach, not a manager; that's the only reason for Sornob to stop if we haven't got a replacement. Kidd as a manager would be worse.

I definately think we are missing the bad guy within the coaching team, someone that will have a real go at the players and who has a more aggressive approach to things. I have heard however that Mr Robson can be very different to his public persona on this side of things.

That would be Mr McCall then. He's not the nicest of people when the hairs stand on his back, from what I gather.

I think its a very difficult balance between expectation and realism. Of course we should expect the best, but some of the reactions all over at times are nothing short of ridiculous. Its a problem in football all over these days and probably brought along with the money men and the big boys trying to buy instant success.

Reminiscent of 96/7, but magnified to the nth degree because we got there.

That said, we've played some decent stuff in the last 6/7 years. And now we're bollocks. So maybe the real reason is that despite the stuff we've just discussed, the simple fact is that we're now shit, and mainly down to management.

 

[shorehamview]

who would you have then SV?

Not Paul Ince, that's for sure. I'd rather have diphtheria.

we get our vote in who we want in charge of the country,

No we don't. We get our choice of which three party appointed idiots we can vote for in our ward. I'd quite like to be able to vote for Jeremy Clarkson or Chuck Norris to run the country, but never have I been offered the choice. I'd have liked to see either Sir Alex Ferguson as manager, but I didn't get a choice in that either.

The main candidates for manager that people have been suggesting are, frankly, bobbins. It's like being given the choice between having your balls cut off with a rusty butter knife or chewed off by a rabid hamster. You would immediately say neither, but then it's not very nice if they are the only choices you are offered.

How many of us were asked by Kevin McCabe if we wanted Robson as our manager? 10,000? 1,000? 10? 1? Or is the realistic figure 0? McCabe didn't think he was wrong when he appointed Robson, and as a successful business man I don't think McCabe will act hastily now. And what if he sacks Robson but nobody wants the job? Then we really will be up the creek.

 

[keenzy]

i thought mccabe didnt want robson?

 

[dingledog]

Wow, now if we could translate all this passion into support on match days would it make a difference? My own view, for what its worth, is that we are not playing as a team, and I hear rumours as we all do about the dressing room etc, it needs sorting out and Jnauary is the time.

As for Mr Robson, even the most diehard anti robson has to admit we were unlucky not to win against both Blackpool and Palace, we had more than enough clear chances, not converted. Sometimes it just doesnt run for you and maybe that is whats happening at the moment.

i will declare he wasnt my choice as manager and it appears to be confirming my prejudice against him, but for better or worse the man with the money is keeping him.

On the bright side we will be being asked to cough up £450(for a seat in the South Stand) or so for new season tickets in just 12 weeks or so, now that will be an interesting time, and indeed a time when those who are most vocal about the manager will be able to excercise their economic power.

 

[happyhippy]

Wow, now if we could translate all this passion into support on match days would it make a difference? My own view, for what its worth, is that we are not playing as a team, and I hear rumours as we all do about the dressing room etc, it needs sorting out and Jnauary is the time.

Very much so, and that IS my problem with Sornob. We (all five of us) came to to a simple conclusion in the Cricketers (designated driver doesn't know where the Lion is). Sornob is a figurehead, having been a great club captain, and maybe an an unlucky England captain. As a leader, he's useless.

As for Mr Robson, even the most diehard anti robson has to admit we were unlucky not to win against both Blackpool and Palace, we had more than enough clear chances, not converted. Sometimes it just doesnt run for you and maybe that is whats happening at the moment.

Can't say too much about Palace (got there very late, and walked out after ten minutes of the second half, albeit in a fit of pique), but I really don't think we were unlucky v Blackpool. We never looked like scoring, even with chances my three year old could have scored.

i will declare he wasnt my choice as manager and it appears to be confirming my prejudice against him, but for better or worse the man with the money is keeping him.

On the bright side we will be being asked to cough up £450(for a seat in the South Stand) or so for new season tickets in just 12 weeks or so, now that will be an interesting time, and indeed a time when those who are most vocal about the manager will be able to excercise their economic power.

I would rather that the man in charge, being the one in charge, and a much mightier financial fist, exercised his power. It's purely money now, as much as I adore my Red And White Wizards for football.

I'm trying to stop myself from going non-league, but it's really difficult; no matter how much of a wrench it would be to leave the Lane, I see no reason to stop.

I've seen the top flight and I don't like it.

 

[shorehamview]

I'm trying to stop myself from going non-league, but it's really difficult; no matter how much of a wrench it would be to leave the Lane, I see no reason to stop.

I've seen the top flight and I don't like it.

My neighbour hasn't renewed his season ticket this season. He says it's too expensive for him now, as he and his partner have just had a baby. Now he goes to watch Sheffield FC, and spends in total less than the cost of just a match ticket for United. He's still a Blade, but doesn't reckon he'll ever get a season ticket again. He's only been to watch United twice this season, and sees no reason to skint himself any more.

 

[Blades-7]

Newcastle are on bout gerrin shearer in.. why not have Deano

Hahaa.. just a thought

 

[bubbles]

think ince would do a great job

 

[bubbles]

robbo was the wrong man for the job from day 1