Adkins has to stay

[Slim Man]

Hear me out

I know a lot want him out but just hold your horses. What are the common denominators in our past 5 dreadful yeas in this league? The squad. (And McCabe but that's a story for a different day)

We clearly have a squad with not enough good senior pro's to handle the 'nice guy' approach, and not enough grounded youngsters to respect his style - the complete opposite of Leicester. However, the other approach, the fiery Nigel Clough didn't work either. And if a new manager came in we would be keeping the majority of this squad together, you can bet your bottom dollar on that. So what would we do from there?

At least if Adkins stays he gets rid of the crap, the bad eggs, the piss takers, the wage wasters.
He has as much if not more to lose than we do, if he fails again he won't get another job outside League 1. He won't be putting blind faith in his old mates, and hopefully this time he'll be allowed to sign more than 4 players, and hopefully the technical board will give them a thorough going over before even talking to them.

The work has to start now, we have to start telling the crap we don't want them and start talking to the free agents we do. There are plenty of good free agents about but they'll get snapped up quick. Now's our chance to sign Dan Burn for gods sake!!! And try and negotiate with Boro for another year for Baptiste. (Who would replace Edgar for me, him and Baptiste would be as solid as it gets)

Even if it's not working with Adkins after that the next man won't have to worry about having to do much work to his squad because we SHOULD have a squad of quality over quantity after this farce - that's what the technical board is there to do... right?

 

[blade too long]

cant see why a new manager , whos any good couldnt do anything on the list youve assembled

why use an old broom to sweep the rubbish out when a new broom can do it

contracts dont run out till may 31st
whats the rush weve 3 weeks to sort it

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Hear me out

I know a lot want him out but just hold your horses. What are the common denominators in our past 5 dreadful yeas in this league? The squad. (And McCabe but that's a story for a different day)

We clearly have a squad with not enough good senior pro's to handle the 'nice guy' approach, and not enough grounded youngsters to respect his style - the complete opposite of Leicester. However, the other approach, the fiery Nigel Clough didn't work either. And if a new manager came in we would be keeping the majority of this squad together, you can bet your bottom dollar on that. So what would we do from there?

At least if Adkins stays he gets rid of the crap, the bad eggs, the piss takers, the wage wasters.
He has as much if not more to lose than we do, if he fails again he won't get another job outside League 1. He won't be putting blind faith in his old mates, and hopefully this time he'll be allowed to sign more than 4 players, and hopefully the technical board will give them a thorough going over before even talking to them.

The work has to start now, we have to start telling the crap we don't want them and start talking to the free agents we do. There are plenty of good free agents about but they'll get snapped up quick. Now's our chance to sign Dan Burn for gods sake!!! And try and negotiate with Boro for another year for Baptiste. (Who would replace Edgar for me, him and Baptiste would be as solid as it gets)

Even if it's not working with Adkins after that the next man won't have to worry about having to do much work to his squad because we SHOULD have a squad of quality over quantity after this farce - that's what the technical board is there to do... right?

Good luck with that.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Well done for stating the bleeding obvious! Needed though because the vast silent majority of Blades fans think it without saying it every time our more vociferous and excitable members tap on their keyboards.

Unfortunately for him and us we all have to cross everything and hope he is a big enough man and Turnbull can produce the players. Not the Dan Burns of the world necessarily, more from L1 and 2 please, younger, faster, cheaper; we need quantity and quality, at least players who can run for 90 minutes!

When I say unfortunate for Adkins, maybe he occasionally dreams of the 1m pound pay-off and a release from those noisy fans who expect more, always more, always something in fact!

 

[axel smeets]

Wow. Just wow.

 

[Slim Man]

A new manager would just mean a delay to proceedings, a new list of targets to scout, a few of the players who Adkins might get rid of might be kept due to the new man thinking 'they look good in training'.
And I agree, I'd love to see the best of L1 and L2 in the team but for some reason they 'might not have the right stuff to play infront of 20k every week', yeah because this bunch do it so well...

Put it how you like, Adkins has as much to lose if not more than us. He has as clean a slate this coming season as possible, wages freed by Hammond, Sammon and Collins, plus whoever else should mean we have a decent wage budget to play with he cannot afford to muck it up for his own sake.

 

[TJB.]

cant see why a new manager , whos any good couldnt do anything on the list youve assembled

Because unless Adkins walks, we'll be paying out yet more compensation to him and his staff. Compensation may also need to be paid to the club of a new gaffer, unless we're going for someone out of work. So a new manager has less dosh to work with before his name's even on the door and we'll be shopping in the bargain basement.

It'd also flush any work which as already been done to identify targets down the shitter and we'd be starting from scratch.

That 'clean slate' business isn't Adkins-specific, either.

 

[grafikhaus]

Put it how you like, Adkins has as much to lose if not more than us.

I wonder how mine and Adkins' bank balances would compare. But then, I've never worked for a company that rewarded failure.

 

[Blade56]

Hear me out

I know a lot want him out but just hold your horses. What are the common denominators in our past 5 dreadful yeas in this league? The squad. (And McCabe but that's a story for a different day)

We clearly have a squad with not enough good senior pro's to handle the 'nice guy' approach, and not enough grounded youngsters to respect his style - the complete opposite of Leicester. However, the other approach, the fiery Nigel Clough didn't work either. And if a new manager came in we would be keeping the majority of this squad together, you can bet your bottom dollar on that. So what would we do from there?

At least if Adkins stays he gets rid of the crap, the bad eggs, the piss takers, the wage wasters.
He has as much if not more to lose than we do, if he fails again he won't get another job outside League 1. He won't be putting blind faith in his old mates, and hopefully this time he'll be allowed to sign more than 4 players, and hopefully the technical board will give them a thorough going over before even talking to them.

The work has to start now, we have to start telling the crap we don't want them and start talking to the free agents we do. There are plenty of good free agents about but they'll get snapped up quick. Now's our chance to sign Dan Burn for gods sake!!! And try and negotiate with Boro for another year for Baptiste. (Who would replace Edgar for me, him and Baptiste would be as solid as it gets)

Even if it's not working with Adkins after that the next man won't have to worry about having to do much work to his squad because we SHOULD have a squad of quality over quantity after this farce - that's what the technical board is there to do... right?

Different circumstances getting shut of Adkins. He and previous managers had to work with the dross they were left by the previous incumbent. We are at a rubicon moment with this squad as we can get shut of a lot and rebuild experience with youth from the ground up.
Problem is I can't see McHRH footing the transfer signing on fee bill to replace 5/6 players. My guess is we will keep him and use the players left mixed with some youth or get rid and give the new guy a reasonable budget.
Either way bladeybladness is clouding anyone's judgement if they are expecting a new manager and 5/6 exciting new players coming in.

 

[BushBlade]

Not a great deal has changed since we discussed it yesterday, or last week. I think most people are now pretty entrenched in their views.
The OP is just likely to attract the same posts from the same posters, saying exactly what they've said before.
And the bottom line is, it doesn't even matter what we think. The club will do what they want. Most of us were content for Clough to be given another year.

 

[JackSUFC]

A new manager would just mean a delay to proceedings, a new list of targets to scout, a few of the players who Adkins might get rid of might be kept due to the new man thinking 'they look good in training'.

IF we are going to get yet another new manager, then you'd hope that the club have already held some talks and that the new guy is already assessing the squad (majority of them are sh*te, get rid - job done for you mate) and compiling a list of players he wants to bring in. That way, we'd already be up and running for the summer and he'd come into the job smoothly.

This is Sheffield United we're talking about though. We don't do things like that.

If Adkins stays then you just know he'll offer out new deals for players that really, really don't deserve to be here.

 

[Barney]

This is one sad day for the expectation levels of Sheffield United supporters.

 

[finlaytheblade]

cant see why a new manager , whos any good couldnt do anything on the list youve assembled

why use an old broom to sweep the rubbish out when a new broom can do it

contracts dont run out till may 31st
whats the rush weve 3 weeks to sort it

Contracts run til th end of July so unless players sign for someone else now (which s very unlikely ) we have o pay them until contracts run out .

 

[Slim Man]

IF we are going to get yet another new manager, then you'd hope that the club have already held some talks and that the new guy is already assessing the squad (majority of them are sh*te, get rid - job done for you mate) and compiling a list of players he wants to bring in. That way, we'd already be up and running for the summer and he'd come into the job smoothly.

This is Sheffield United we're talking about though. We don't do things like that.

If Adkins stays then you just know he'll offer out new deals for players that really, really don't deserve to be here.

IF I believed we were doing that, and I believed we could hit the ground running I may be more inclined to support the new manager theory. But we all know we're not professional enough for that.

I don't think he will, I don't think he can afford to and I think he knows that... Or it's back to physio for him.

 

[blade too long]

Because unless Adkins walks, we'll be paying out yet more compensation to him and his staff. Compensation may also need to be paid to the club of a new gaffer, unless we're going for someone out of work. So a new manager has less dosh to work with before his name's even on the door and we'll be shopping in the bargain basement.

It'd also flush any work which as already been done to identify targets down the shitter and we'd be starting from scratch.

That 'clean slate' business isn't Adkins-specific, either.

So its ok to flush out crap players and lose money on them but we have to hold on to a crap manager purely to save a few quid
and exactly what work has he done that showed an improvement
so never get a new manager as we wont be able to buy players
we always sell our best players so there will be money . obviously

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I wonder how mine and Adkins' bank balances would compare. But then, I've never worked for a company that rewarded failure.

Yer should do a graph.

 

[blade too long]

Contracts run til th end of July so unless players sign for someone else now (which s very unlikely ) we have o pay them until contracts run out .

moot point
they are on holidays any hoo

 

[binstedblades]

Sorry he has to go we finished 5th last season and needed a centre half and a forward he signed 6 players and we now need almost a full team he blames the fans for complaining about loosing 4 nil at gillingham and at home tu scunthorpe does anyone really thinks hes going to see the light and sign young and hungry players sorry time to go

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I know a lot want him out

Well, 35% of this messageboard based on the 260-odd responses to the poll recently. I'm not denying that a good few want him out (and have wanted him out for quite a while) or that this is representative of the masses, but given the week-to-week calls for him to go I'd say that poll in the wake of us screwing up our chances of promotion would suggest that a good number want to give him more of an opportunity.

 

[Smirth]

Adkins will sign Hammond. That's enough reason to get shot now without saddling the club with another past it player sucking money and life out of the club. He's already saddled us with Woolford for another season, another one who will be on a fair wedge having signed him back from the Championship.

Dan Burn will be another. How much money do you think he'll be asking for? He was signed to Fulham when they were in the Premier League, he would have been on a lot of money there. He will therefore be demanding a lot of money again, that's probably why Fulham have got rid!

We have to trust the Board to do the right thing. But if Adkins goes to the 'technical board' with a list of Championship players, again, I hope he is fired on the spot.

 

[Barney]

Well, 35% of this messageboard based on the 260-odd responses to the poll recently. I'm not denying that a good few want him out (and have wanted him out for quite a while) or that this is representative of the masses, but given the week-to-week calls for him to go I'd say that poll in the wake of us screwing up our chances of promotion would suggest that a good number want to give him more of an opportunity.

I think Sunday was the pivotal moment for the vast majority of the undecided, or even for some that might have wanted him to stay before then.

 

[TJB.]

So its ok to flush out crap players and lose money on them but we have to hold on to a crap manager purely to save a few quid
and exactly what work has he done that showed an improvement
so never get a new manager as we wont be able to buy players
we always sell our best players so there will be money . obviously

It's not about saving a few quid at all. It's about facing the reality that we have a shitload of contracts up and very few, if any, are worth renewing. That means a huge rebuilding job requiring as much dosh as possible. If the budget for that job is slashed because we have to pay up two years worth of contract for Adkins and his staff, we'll be flooded with more shit players.

 

[Boxer Blade]

Da

Hear me out

I know a lot want him out but just hold your horses. What are the common denominators in our past 5 dreadful yeas in this league? The squad. (And McCabe but that's a story for a different day)

We clearly have a squad with not enough good senior pro's to handle the 'nice guy' approach, and not enough grounded youngsters to respect his style - the complete opposite of Leicester. However, the other approach, the fiery Nigel Clough didn't work either. And if a new manager came in we would be keeping the majority of this squad together, you can bet your bottom dollar on that. So what would we do from there?

At least if Adkins stays he gets rid of the crap, the bad eggs, the piss takers, the wage wasters.
He has as much if not more to lose than we do, if he fails again he won't get another job outside League 1. He won't be putting blind faith in his old mates, and hopefully this time he'll be allowed to sign more than 4 players, and hopefully the technical board will give them a thorough going over before even talking to them.

The work has to start now, we have to start telling the crap we don't want them and start talking to the free agents we do. There are plenty of good free agents about but they'll get snapped up quick. Now's our chance to sign Dan Burn for gods sake!!! And try and negotiate with Boro for another year for Baptiste. (Who would replace Edgar for me, him and Baptiste would be as solid as it gets)

Even if it's not working with Adkins after that the next man won't have to worry about having to do much work to his squad because we SHOULD have a squad of quality over quantity after this farce - that's what the technical board is there to do... Rich in
Danny a lot of what you say makes sense, but you are presuming adkins is getting rid of all these bad eggs, time wasters etc, basically the players we all want to see leave, I for one am not certain that the players he will be keeping and what we expect is the same, I think by the end of this week we may well be disappointed, if he does clear out the players we want out then ok, but what if he doesn't?

 

[JackSUFC]

IF I believed we were doing that, and I believed we could hit the ground running I may be more inclined to support the new manager theory. But we all know we're not professional enough for that.

I don't think he will, I don't think he can afford to and I think he knows that... Or it's back to physio for him.

I was firmly Adkins in but after his comments on Sunday I'm unsure.

If we do have a mass clear-out ASAP and he recruits well early on then I'll be firmly behind him. After the previous few summers, I'm not expecting it go like that at all and it's worrying.

The retained list needs to come out as soon as possible, for everyone's sake.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Contracts run til th end of July so unless players sign for someone else now (which s very unlikely ) we have o pay them until contracts run out .

30th June

 

[Champagneblade]

This week could see as many as 24 players removed from the wage bill with Long being the only one definitely negotiating a contract.

Surely that is as clean a slate as anyone will get.

It only leaves 19 pros plus the 6 new young ones and of the 19, almost half are young players on modest wages.

It will be a rebuild job of sorts for anyone.

More than ever it is the time for a new guy as he has a clean slate so the issue of the squad probably goes out the window. There are 5 seniors whose futures have question marks then - McNulty, Scougall, Coutts, Woolford, Freeman - but hardly deal breaking in raising a promotion squad.

Adkins oversaw a clearing of the decks. The fact his limited recruitment efforts were poor doesn't put him at the front of the queue to benefit from the squad trimming anymore than the Prince or McCabe thinks a new guy will.

There's no reason Adkins should stay. Just being the incumbent shouldn't make him the front runner. What has he done with the power to mould the squad? Multiple systems and 1 success out of 6 recruits. Even at the end, the defence managed to concede 5 in 2 games against a solitary penalty when we needed them to justify their wages and show their experience.

 

[Barney]

I suspect a poll after Sundays result would have looked quite a bit different to the one we recently had. As time goes on though, the want for the required action will start wearing off as poll figures and expectation levels will gradually stoop back to what they were.

 

[Ricky]

Player recruitment shouldn't be as big a factor as it is when it comes to sticking or twisting regarding managers. Any new manager coming in should be given a very clear idea of what needs to happen and we should have a scouting team and people on the board who could confidently put forward potential new signings to the manager rather than waiting all summer for the manager to do it on his own, especially if that manager doesn't have an existing knowledge of the English market. Key signings who've been well scouted and researched, someone like Dan Burn for example, should be sought out and pushed in the new manager's direction as soon as he arrives. You'd have to allow the manager to say no if he wanted but knowing what the squad situation is and what the alternative would be, he'd be more likely to agree to it and start to get the core of the team in place.

Being the club we are though, we wouldn't help the new manager at all, we'd not learn our lesson and we'd waste another pre season. So I can see the argument for sticking with Adkins, as wrong as it is. But keeping Adkins is a gamble as well. Maybe less of a gamble from a squad building point of view, but is that outweighed by the gamble on his ability to get something out of that squad next season?

Basically in an ideal world I'd want to change managers. The only thing that puts me off is the club's incompetence and the impact any pay off would have on player transfers. How sad.

 

[blades78]

Adkins has had nearly 12 months to improve our squad and we have gone backwards. We have had no settled formation, players playing out of position, no style of play and he's spent big money on wages for very poor players. If its true that Hammond is on £17k a week and we have been paying that, Adkins should go for that alone. If he signs him permanently, I can't see me going next season.

His only saving grace is that many of the squad are out of contract. I can only image that Long and maybe McEveley (1 year for back up) with be offered a contract. If anybody else gets a contract, then Adkins has completely lost it, that's if he hasn't already!!

 

[Boxer Blade]

Danny I respect what you say and agree in part, however regarding getting rid of the crap, I think you and most everybody else is presuming that these players are going to be told this week, I will wait and see as I have a worry that we could well be disappointed with the outcome, if he does clear the decks as we hope/expect then fair enough with keeping adkins, but what if he doesn't clear the decks? Will you have the same feelings, I wouldn't, frightening thought though, isn't it.