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The hints and allegations aren't just about the quality of the work, they're about illegalities (i.e. fraud).
If that's the reason people have been sacked then why would McCabe and the club let them get away with it?
Would he turn a blind eye to employees defrauding his other businesses?
I'm not saying whether what you're saying is true or not. I have no idea.
But it seems very odd to me that United (or any club/company) would have sufficient evidence of fraud to sack someone but do nothing else about it.
Prove it. That's the bottom line. Did we sign X because he was a good prospect or just to line the pockets of someone? How can you prove one way or another?The hints and allegations aren't just about the quality of the work, they're about illegalities (i.e. fraud).
If that's the reason people have been sacked then why would McCabe and the club let them get away with it?
Would he turn a blind eye to employees defrauding his other businesses?
I'm not saying whether what you're saying is true or not. I have no idea.
But it seems very odd to me that United (or any club/company) would have sufficient evidence of fraud to sack someone but do nothing else about it.
Regarding McCabe going to Brussels at the wrong time.
First he says, "blame the manager I don't get involved with transfers" then he says "it all went wrong because I wasn't closely involved".
Looking at the squad I'd say...
Brayford, Basham, Coutts, Sharp, Baxter, Baptiste, Cuvelier, Edgar, Hammond will all be on £5k+. Then you have Woolford, Flynn, Done, Harris, J Wallace and Howard who could all be around that as an educated guess. It's not beyond the realms of possibility at all.
The hints and allegations aren't just about the quality of the work, they're about illegalities (i.e. fraud).
If that's the reason people have been sacked then why would McCabe and the club let them get away with it?
Would he turn a blind eye to employees defrauding his other businesses?
I'm not saying whether what you're saying is true or not. I have no idea.
But it seems very odd to me that United (or any club/company) would have sufficient evidence of fraud to sack someone but do nothing else about it.
Regarding McCabe going to Brussels at the wrong time.
First he says, "blame the manager I don't get involved with transfers" then he says "it all went wrong because I wasn't closely involved".
So everyone on here who expects us to be able to keep a player to his contract would be ok if it happened to them at their workplace ?
You're earning 50k a year but another company want you. They're going to give you 25k to go and work for them as a signing fee, they're also going to double your wages and the promotion you're getting is a possible stepping stone to a better even more exciting and interesting career.
I am surprised how many would stay at the current workplace, if your employer told you he was going to hold you to your contract (the one your new employer was buying you out of)
I have to say I'm with the players who are "forced" out. Loyalty in football is a common as it is in the workplace.
That's apples and oranges. Most people have notice periods. Footballers do not. They can be held to contracts.
But the problem is the player then lets the contract run down and the club get nothing. Or, like McDonald insists on a low buy out clause inserted in order to sign a new one.
Yes, but in the meantime, the club can get promoted with a better player in it - see Leeds and Beckford. Then the rewards are greater than the transfer fee.
The arguments against being firmer with our better players are all defeatist in the extreme IMHO. Plus the actual results of this cowardice have been shambolic - look at the league table.
Its easy with hindsight to say the new board would have rejected Sammon.
But if Adkins wanted him, a striker who has never played below the Championship, and has International caps, would the new board have said no?
Every signing is a gamble, there will always be mistakes, as he mentioned last week, naming the Ebbrell signing he, and Dooley sanctioned.
Who has mentioned illegalities? Acting outside the remit they had been given doesn't necessarily mean anything illegal happened. Fraud is a serious accusation to make and I've not seen any mention of that from the club.
KM's criticisms of the football based administrative staff cannot be elaborated on for legal reasons. I wouldn't really risk expanding, beyond saying, that they weren't working in the football club's best interest. They of course left the club much richer than when they joined...
A period of notice isn't a legal thing. It is more a courtesy. You don't break bridges with your employer and he will give you a good reference.That's apples and oranges. Most people have notice periods. Footballers do not. They can be held to contracts.
Unless someone comes in with a bid of the required amount during the promotion push.
I don't believe it's just as simple as saying no. Try harder by all means, but the reality is that players on the up hold the aces. Particularly if they see the club going nowhere.
I didn't say that anybody at the club had mentioned illegalities.
I've only seen rumours and hints on this message board like the one I replied to:-
I know fraud is a serious accusation. That's precisely why I was querying it
A period of notice isn't a legal thing. It is more a courtesy. You don't break bridges with your employer and he will give you a good reference.
There is nothing stopping someone saying stuff you I'm off and walking out. Would an employer drag them back and say "Not until you've worked your notice"
There are thousands of people who walk out of work without giving notice.
Many years ago before I became self employed I handed my notice in properly. My boss said he didn't want me around the workplace spreading negativity and paid me and my notice up.
It can be a legal thing if it's stipulated in your contract.A period of notice isn't a legal thing. It is more a courtesy. You don't break bridges with your employer and he will give you a good reference.
There is nothing stopping someone saying stuff you I'm off and walking out. Would an employer drag them back and say "Not until you've worked your notice"
There are thousands of people who walk out of work without giving notice.
Many years ago before I became self employed I handed my notice in properly. My boss said he didn't want me around the workplace spreading negativity and paid me and my notice up.
But the club goes nowhere because of this policy. It's a circular argument.
It's defeatist in the extreme, and it's been a failed strategy, and I can't believe many supporters so readily accept the clubs explanation that there's nothing to be done and it's all very difficult.
I'm not accepting the clubs explanation I'm basis img my comments on the realities. Of course it's defeatist. That goes without saying. That's the outcome though, not the contractual negotiations themselves.
That is true but they were the one club with a higher revenue. £9M parachute payments is about the size of our turnover.Don't see many 'ageing has-beens' at the Champions, Wigan. Maybe they employ those mystical beings that used to be called 'scouts'?
How do other clubs do it then? How did Huddersfield keep Rhodes?
In that case an employer can sue to a tribunal for breach of contract. That would probably only amount to the wages the employee would have earned.You're wrong. A period of notice is a legal thing, and breaching it has consequences. As it would if a player tried to sign for someone else while under contract.
So everyone on here who expects us to be able to keep a player to his contract would be ok if it happened to them at their workplace ?
You're earning 50k a year but another company want you. They're going to give you 25k to go and work for them as a signing fee, they're also going to double your wages and the promotion you're getting is a possible stepping stone to a better even more exciting and interesting career.
I am surprised how many would stay at the current workplace, if your employer told you he was going to hold you to your contract (the one your new employer was buying you out of)
I have to say I'm with the players who are "forced" out. Loyalty in football is a common as it is in the workplace.
There is a little bit of difference in a footballers working life to us mere mortals who can just say stuff your job i'm off to that place down the road ...................... the club holds the players registration so he cant just go and play for some other club, ask Carlos Tevez. Let's not let this get in the way of apologies for Super Blade
In that case an employer can sue to a tribunal for breach of contract. That would probably only amount to the wages the employee would have earned.
But I'm not wrong not all notices are legal and you can walk out of legal ones. You may be sued, but probably not.
And if clubs could stop players leaving and keep the same in form player, then many would do it.
I'd jump ship for a bottle of Panda Cola and some Burtons Fish & Chips, but thats because I'm profoundly unhappy.
I agree with the points you make though, whilst we do have the power to hold a player to his contract, there can be consequences.
I would have SOME sympathy if BEFORE we sold we had someone in to replace them if this has to be the way.
Selling Maguire Murphy at stupid times in the last 2 years has cost us a higher league finish on both occasions.
Did they really just walk out of the club ? Nah maybe you are the only one to believe that fairy tale.Like McDonald Murphy and Jags did?
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