Wilder & Baldock

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

The new video edits are shit. You can properly tell that the experienced guy has left his post. Now we just assume 'slow mo' is 'edgy'. In reality, it just looks like the video's buffering a bit...

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Baldock was flying into tackles, getting involved in push & shove matches all in front of Wilder. Presume he said something and Baldock gave him some back.
I don't think it goes much further than that.

I do get the impression some of our players hold some sort of grudge with him though. Maybe linked to lording himself with the praise during our ascent and burying the players during our descent? I doubt many of them appreciated being called "over-performing Championship / League 1 players" by him.

I’d agree with that , I noticed after we’d played them at The Lane when CW hung about to shake some of our players hands Norwood just blanked him & walked straight past him

 

[Ridgeway Blade]

Wilder probably lost a lot of the players after that rant at Leicester when we didn't turn up. That was the first real time that CW really undermined the players. Perhaps something had already been simmering. It all went steadily downhill really after that really. Whatever, the players certainl;y gave him a message at the match at BL last season.

 

[Katzenjammer]

If somebody can point me to anything suggesting that the relationship between Billy and Chris has been anything less than very good, in the good times, the bad times and afterwards then I'd like to see it. The evidence doesn't seem to bear it out...

Billy Sharp reveals ‘classy’ Chris Wilder gesture following Sheffield United’s win over Middlesbrough

Sheffield United skipper Billy Sharp praised former boss Chris Wilder after he was shown congratulating the striker after the Blades’ 4-1 win over Middlesbrough last night. Classy from my old gaffer and knilly who I shared a lot of amazing memories with ⚽️🤝⚔️❤️ https://t.co/mZm5RhDBwp — billy...

footballleagueworld.co.uk

 

[steve26272]

I guess some of the friendships/respect they built during the good run could easily have been undone …..once he left the group of players were still in it together, so would have been easy for their to be a us vs him mentality between the players & Wilder...

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Used this analogy in another thread, but compare it to the Costa Concordia

I’m sure all his ship mates loved the captain when he was taking them on a round the world tour, maybe not so much when he steered them onto the rocks and jumped ship to watch them sink live on TV from a comfy sofa…..

 

[ISZA ⚔️]

I’d agree with that , I noticed after we’d played them at The Lane when CW hung about to shake some of our players hands Norwood just blanked him & walked straight past him

Don’t recall seeing that? Certainly not on this video.

 

[Davalon]

Baldock just asked him who the father was.

Much ado about nothing.

 

[MunXy]

I heard Wilder was throwing some "your mom as so fat " jokes at George, George retorted in Greek with"your managers so fat jokes" it was all just playground antics, until Wilder Dissed Spiros Greek fish and chip shop, then it got ugly.

 

[CPB]

I know Wilder leaving left a sour taste for many. For me it was disappointment, the club had never been so united under him as long as I've been a blade (alive) and he even still had the backing of the fans pretty much given our season was falling out of our arse. (Do think Hecky is doing a good job of that aspect now, but think it could be a while till we have that sort of unity across most of the fanbase and club again)

However just don't get why so many can't draw a line under it too and not make it personal. Sheffield United is Wilder's boyhood club and the one he would support if not in management. We've seen that in the past.
Without getting into the in's and out's of his departure which the Prince can carry responsibility (lets not get into that though) for as well we should just appreciate what he did for us.

He's now the Boro manager and that's his job and focus. Fair to say some players might hold a bit of a grudge against him but that Leicester performance after he went suggested the dressing room was gutted. Perhaps some of the squad weren't disappointed to see him go but most seem to speak highly of him still.

Even Duffy does and he got bombed out in a bit of a fiery manner, which was sad because even if it didn't work Duffy doing the Duffy role in the PL would have been interesting to see.

Also I'm not referring about the jokes on this thread, as they are funny.

 

[Katzenjammer]

 

[Alan Birchenall's hair]

I don’t think it’s wise for a manager to get too close to players. It makes it much harder to drop them, or discipline them and has the potential to cause cliques.

That’s why it’s difficult when a player becomes manager at the club he plays for. When Southgate became manager of Boro, he told the players they had to call him gaffer and couldn’t call him “Gate” anymore. Ray Parlour apparently said “what about Big Nose, can we still call you that?”

Best Ray Parlour line was when Glen Hoddle appointed a faith healer called Eileen Drewery to treat injured players during his reign as England manager. She sat Parlour in a chair and put her hands on his head. 'Short back and sides please' said Parlour.

 

[CrookesBlade]

I’d heard from a relatively reliable source (albeit 2nd hand) that the players were relieved to see him leave. Allegedly he was all over the place emotionally and the players never really knew where they stood with him (which seems to be part of his man management tool kit to keep players on their toes). The constant digs in the post match interviews about “what he had to work with” started to grate with the players as well.

That said it’s probably fairly similar when any manager leaves a club. Roy Keane and Ferguson is a good example of good working relationships between players and managers having an expiry date.

 

[Old Programme seller]

Brian Clough and our own Dave Bassett used to dress down players I remember Wally Downes being sent off and Bassett said that he can go back to his fruit and veg stall in the market if he plays like that again.

 

[Booker4]

I’d heard from a relatively reliable source (albeit 2nd hand) that the players were relieved to see him leave. Allegedly he was all over the place emotionally and the players never really knew where they stood with him (which seems to be part of his man management tool kit to keep players on their toes). The constant digs in the post match interviews about “what he had to work with” started to grate with the players as well.

That said it’s probably fairly similar when any manager leaves a club. Roy Keane and Ferguson is a good example of good working relationships between players and managers having an expiry date.

Im not surprised in your message if it's true. I think when it was going well the players and wilder were fully United. If wilder had a dig in the good times after a rare poor performance then the players responded and then even the players would probably think he's said it just for that reaction, fair play. But in the last season when it was poor result after poor result I think wilder probably lacks the arm around the shoulder approach and leaves that to Knill but wilder us still the gaffer and I do wonder if the players just felt they couldn't give anymore. In fairness to wilder most of his interviews in the relegation season still were decent but then nearer the end I recall they became more critical or weird like having a go at people who he knows at the pub in reference to Jamie Bardy, that one still seems so not needed!

The hard thing us we're still likely to be years away from hearing more from either the players or wilder but it's not going to change anything anyway! I like Hecky, I think he's totally got the players backing and I think we're set for a really decent season.

 

[Bladesman]

Yet they don't like each other according to some on here.

 

[Katzenjammer]

Yet they don't like each other according to some on here.

Doesn't surprise me, some are just desperate for there to be a rift when there's none to be found.

 

[nopigfansintown]

The Wilder haters on here never cease to amaze me. Wilder had his players running through brick walls for him from the day he joined until the day he left. None of them have ever had a bad word to say about him; even Mark Duffy. Quite the contrary. Nice comfort blanket for mardy jilted lovers to cling too though. I have never experienced people with this outlook at matches or in my United circles. It's an S24SU phenomenon.

 

[Katzenjammer]

The Wilder haters on here never cease to amaze me. Wilder had his players running through brick walls for him from the day he joined until the day he left. None of them have ever had a bad word to say about him; even Mark Duffy. Quite the contrary. Nice comfort blanket for mardy jilted lovers to cling too though. I have never experienced people with this outlook at matches or in my United circles. It's an S24SU phenomenon.

This, 100%

 

[John Street West Terrace]

Don’t recall seeing that? Certainly not on this video.

It was on the pitch , it was Norwood

 

[s6Blades]

On TV it looked like wilder went straight down the tunnel after the game. Absolutely not like him.

 

[Gin&Juice]

DId anyone notice McAtee shithousing one of the boro players when the ball went out of play? Got shoved, but just had this big grin on his face. Think we're going to like him this season!