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Its not a wind up, serious question. All and sundry seem to be coming out of the wood work to not just moan, but to launch attacks from every angle at the club, board, team management, players and even the marketing department. Some of which is valid, but a large proportion is not.

There was a brief period of quiet following the Forest victory, but normal service has now resumed.

Thankfully we have fans at the games, like at Watford and Scunny who appreciate the predicament and are getting behind the team for 90 mins at least.

These fans will naturally be called dreamers or deluded, but for me we need the fans to do their bit. I never understood this constant desire to plunge the knife into the club when the chips are down. Or indeed slap down those that down share the negative view all the time

Of course there are some constructive comments even from those responsible for the vitoral, but the louder comments are always the digs.

Did we really need so many threads slating the club for its marketing campaign? Does Henderson, whom many saw as the messiah returning need to be subject to a "he should never play again" thread (on the same token why is Williamson immune to the same?). Does a sarcastic attempt to get Ryan France for player of the season serve any purpose? Or will suggesting *any sacked manager* to replace our 4th manager of the season achieve anything?

There are massive areas where we need to improve and I'd love to get into a discussion on how we can "theoretically" fix problems. Bergen's analysis into goals conceded and our defending last season was always a great read as were the discussions which followed.

I started a thread before Speed left on where we should improve, but the discussion part didn't last long. I wouldn't dream of starting such threads now. This forum is no longer a place for healthy debate, unfortunately its descended lower than our beloved team. :(
 

Yep - Ryan France winning player of year would serve a purpose.

I was at Scunthorpe and there was planty of ridicule of the team - from people other than me.

Againmst Forest there were scarcastic cheers when we had a shot.

I think the threads the lambasting the club are excellent and justified.
 
The club is an absolute shambles at the moment Swiss. There have been plenty of healthy debates on this topic. If you don't choose to engage with it then that's your beef.
 
Sorry Swiss but it ain't and never will be negative to want and expect better from a club that has failed time and time again.
Being negative is putting up with it, denying it and failing to engage with the reality.
Talking of which, what's happened to Dunc?
 
There is a difference between debating where it all went wrong and some of the over-the-top mud slinging that goes on around here. One can be negative without being slanderous.
 
Mic, so what purpose do they serve? They are at best mischievous but I don't get what the benefit in spouting such stuff achieves.

Highbury, You're right I shouldn't join in on those "debates" which fall into this category. And mostly I avoid them, but unfortunately, when others prefer to turn other threads to their agenda it makes things very difficult.

Lenners, I don't disagree. Soem of your threads in recent weeks/ months have been enlightening and informative, obviously you've had more than your fair share of stick and abuse in the past. But i'm not talking about the constructive debate, i'm talking about the out an out destructive threads/ posts which don't debate anything, just kill a thread

Taking a differing view and pushing the positives (no matter how small) isn't burying your head or living in a dreamworld, its choosing to debate what you want to debate.

Perhaps Dunc, had enough of the way that threads were dragged on here...
 
SwissBlade said:
Mic, so what purpose do they serve? They are at best mischievous but I don't get what the benefit in spouting such stuff achieves.

Highbury, You're right I shouldn't join in on those "debates" which fall into this category. And mostly I avoid them, but unfortunately, when others prefer to turn other threads to their agenda it makes things very difficult.

Lenners, I don't disagree. Soem of your threads in recent weeks/ months have been enlightening and informative, obviously you've had more than your fair share of stick and abuse in the past. But i'm not talking about the constructive debate, i'm talking about the out an out destructive threads/ posts which don't debate anything, just kill a thread

Taking a differing view and pushing the positives (no matter how small) isn't burying your head or living in a dreamworld, its choosing to debate what you want to debate.

Perhaps Dunc, had enough of the way that threads were dragged on here...
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They serve the purpose of ridiculing the club and its top brass and management. On a personal level they pass the time of day for me and don't take em too seriously Swiss.

I genuinely do care about SUFC but impossible to get behind them in the manner you advocate.
 
I suspect dunc has moved to a forum where his ridiculously rosy eyed view of sheffield united doesn't get challenged to often.
 
We've been Pisspot United for as long as I can remember....... cherio Mick Jones....same owd ever since !
 
i want us to turn it around,if only to save myself from continual earbashing for the pigs and dingles i work with,i dont even like wearing my blades shirts now,i feel ashamed. but i fear its too much to do now,its clear some of this team are a waste of fuckin space,too many loans cheap option by the board as usual,you pay peanuts you get monkeys :(
 
Highbury_Blade said:
I suspect dunc has moved to a forum where his ridiculously rosy eyed view of sheffield united doesn't get challenged to often.
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I don't think he's got red & white tinted specs. He knows the score as well, if not better, then most people. He just chooses to not let it get him down.

Vote Dunc!

:D
 
I want us to turn it around, of course I do. I'll party like it's £19.99 (for a season ticket..!) if we manage to stay up and stay above the pigs for another season. Sadly, I'm sure that even if I ate a whole block of Seriously Strong Cheddar (c) just before bedtime, my wildest dreams wouldn't come close to conjuring up a fantasy to rival that particular scenario.
 
wheres the grounds for the 'healthy debate' as you put it swiss?

what can we draw on to bring positives into the 'healthy debate' - weve won 1 game this year, 1 !!!

new manager is ineffective and the players dont want it - if you feel there's grounds for 'healthy debate' over this club at the minute im afraid your in the minority.
 

DP8789 said:
wheres the grounds for the 'healthy debate' as you put it swiss?

what can we draw on to bring positives into the 'healthy debate' - weve won 1 game this year, 1 !!!

new manager is ineffective and the players dont want it - if you feel there's grounds for 'healthy debate' over this club at the minute im afraid your in the minority.
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This is exactly the point DP. Some of us prefer to have discussions into what could be improved and why the manager is being ineffective or making sweeping statements that the players don't want it.

So i'm in the minority, it suits me. But I'd still like to have a discussion with like minded people who can tear themselves away from ridiculing the club or the management to actually debate the problems, without it descending into condescending comments and blanket statements which you'd like to end a conversation with.
 
SwissBlade said:
Its not a wind up, serious question. All and sundry seem to be coming out of the wood work to not just moan, but to launch attacks from every angle at the club, board, team management, players and even the marketing department. Some of which is valid, but a large proportion is not.

There was a brief period of quiet following the Forest victory, but normal service has now resumed.

Thankfully we have fans at the games, like at Watford and Scunny who appreciate the predicament and are getting behind the team for 90 mins at least.

These fans will naturally be called dreamers or deluded, but for me we need the fans to do their bit. I never understood this constant desire to plunge the knife into the club when the chips are down. Or indeed slap down those that down share the negative view all the time

Of course there are some constructive comments even from those responsible for the vitoral, but the louder comments are always the digs.

Did we really need so many threads slating the club for its marketing campaign? Does Henderson, whom many saw as the messiah returning need to be subject to a "he should never play again" thread (on the same token why is Williamson immune to the same?). Does a sarcastic attempt to get Ryan France for player of the season serve any purpose? Or will suggesting *any sacked manager* to replace our 4th manager of the season achieve anything?

There are massive areas where we need to improve and I'd love to get into a discussion on how we can "theoretically" fix problems. Bergen's analysis into goals conceded and our defending last season was always a great read as were the discussions which followed.

I started a thread before Speed left on where we should improve, but the discussion part didn't last long. I wouldn't dream of starting such threads now. This forum is no longer a place for healthy debate, unfortunately its descended lower than our beloved team. :(
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I can see the point of your thread but also the other threads knocking about at the moment. These players get paid thousands of pounds a week and the best we can can do is a 2-1 win against forest in the last 14 games since micky adams took over? I was one that didn't think losing Gary speed was a great loss and really wanted MA to succeed our best days in my lifetime have been under a massive blades fan because it added a bit of fun to wins and even dodgy defeats can you imagine how NW would have reacted saturday that would of turned any blades anger to a big smile we all know that. I guess the point i am trying to make is that i really can not believe how bad MA has done since he took over i never expected to go as long as we did without a win especially when we came from 2 nil down to draw 2-2 in his first game. The signings have been poor at best and for him to change the side after his first win then get done 3 nil for me was unforgivable. I would like this to be a good old fashioned healthy debate that doesn't need to get nasty or abusive but people voicing there opinions, you have voiced yours claiming that these threads about hendo and adams are unfair thats fine and i respect that but surely you can understand and realise that fans are so angry that we look like being relegated by mid april that they are bound to voice there frustration on here because we are so desperate for our team to stay up.

And to answer your first question yes there is nothing i would love more than for us to finished 4th bottom come 3pm on may 8th.
 
SwissBlade said:
This is exactly the point DP. Some of us prefer to have discussions into what could be improved and why the manager is being ineffective or making sweeping statements that the players don't want it.

So i'm in the minority, it suits me. But I'd still like to have a discussion with like minded people who can tear themselves away from ridiculing the club or the management to actually debate the problems, without it descending into condescending comments and blanket statements which you'd like to end a conversation with.
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Im all for discussing what could be done to improve the club as a whole, but youve got to appreciate that it is becoming a more and more disheartening topic.

Its hard for people to come on here lately and say "ok, we lost, if the club do this and that etc then maybe we wont lose next week"
People have been doing that on here for the last 18 months now. some have had enough, some havent. I personally feel were not respected by the club, our opinions/ideas/suggestions have no impact on the future of sufc. I've said this many times on here before, United is our club not the people running and not the players employed by it. Were the ones being hit in the pocket and being told were only 'true blades' if we get a season ticket, and we wont build a club on loan players and we still do it anyway. its a club rife with poor choices from top to bottom, and unfortunately for us, theres diddly squat we can do about it.
 
COme on then Swiss, let's have a good debate. What do you think needs to be done? tell us what you think needs to happen?
 
I'd still like us to turn it around, but the evidence strongly suggests this isn't going to happen. Even if we did, are we able to perform the major squad surgery we so desperately need while in the Championship? There is no quick fix here, we are a mess right now and have been for some time. It's a horrible thought but we may have to do a couple of seasons in L1 to regroup, change the culture and then try and push on. It would also be a damn sight easier to introduce the best of our youth players into the first team in L1.

I can appreciate the huge revenue drop and it's impact, but right now I'm not bothered. What I'm most bothered about is watching my/our team not perform like a bunch of talentless, undisciplined fucktards. I'd love to once more see a team in red and white that we can identify with as opposed to highly paid short term failures. Not too much to ask, is it?

UTB...
 
SwissBlade said:
This is exactly the point DP. Some of us prefer to have discussions into what could be improved and why the manager is being ineffective or making sweeping statements that the players don't want it.

So i'm in the minority, it suits me. But I'd still like to have a discussion with like minded people who can tear themselves away from ridiculing the club or the management to actually debate the problems, without it descending into condescending comments and blanket statements which you'd like to end a conversation with.
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Serious fair play for standing your ground Swiss. However, I am getting the impressions of a Dunc mark 2 here. Even when the debate is constructive you appear to get your knickers in a twist at any hint of criticism toward the club.

Take thre "apology" thread. You didn't seem to be able to grasp the level of dissatisfaction at the club at all. Your "business as usual" approach may be the right way in some eutopia, but it's not realistic.

I'm with you that some of the negativity goes way too far. But viewing everything from the other side of the spectrum seems equally as daft, IMHO.

UTB
 
Things need to change, no doubt about that, but please don't think being in Div.1 ( if that's where we end up) will make things any easier.

Major surgery is going to be needed. If we try to adopt a largely youth policy then we need a manager who can work with and relate to younger players. We also ideally need someone who has some experience of lower league football. We need a good scouting set-up.

Then, we need supporters with patience and voices to encourage these youngsters through the mistakes they are going to make and some seasoned Pros to work alongside them and lead by example.

Finally we need a board interested in building a football club within a community crying out for a focus, not primarily looking purely for a profitable business. Achieve the former and the profits will follow.
 
Cheers for the feedback folks, was actually expecting a barrage of abuse for upholding my positive point of view (on here at least). I was seriously thinking that some of you that have replied wanted us down before I wrote this. Perhaps I've just read too much into your posts :)

I will reiterate, I am entirely pissed off with where we are and I for one can't see us breaking out of it, but I will always try to offer an alternate view if I think its justified. On other threads I have been slated for taking a "business as usual" approach (cheers alco), but really I've been trying to say for sometime that the problems needed addressing way before Fateful February. February was the wrong time for must win matches and of course we'll get nowhere without picking up at least 7 points (I think thats still the gap) to drag us out. But Scunny, Palace, Derby and Boro all picked up points when we weren't in Feb and the gap remains the same. Whilst unlikely, (it'd mean a complete turnaround against some big teams) but its not impossible and whilst those around us aren't picking points up we can take heart from that.

As for Sheffielders question. I said a while ago (before Christmas) that the main problems for me are Discipline generally, Formation, maintaining Shape and defending/ attacking set pieces. But Micky has not managed to deal with these problems, but neither did the men before him (despite Blackwell and Speed having an entourage of staff).

Its obviously been a bigger task than Micky expected, he's tried to bring in the right sort of players, but many have let him down. I'd also say that his own judgement on signings at this level has been a big failing.

The impression I get, which gives me (some) hope is that Micky recognises the problems and he recognises the need for characters. I can't really criticise him for bringing in the right "character". He wants 11 Morgan's out there the time needed for tippy tappy football isn't enough for this season, so its make do football. And Collins, Doyle, Monty, Henderson, Cresswell all fit this bill... They just don't make up for the creativity and to be fair these characters have shirked when it comes to growing a set of balls.

Ironically the players with 'a set' more recently have been Lowton, Ched, Boggy, Quinn and on occasions Riise and Vokes. We need the rest to step up and we need Micky to have the courage in his convictions to pick the right players with the right characters...

Can we stay up? I don't know, but I'd much rather spend the time between now and the end of the season urging the lads on instead of pointing the finger of blame at everyone from the Chairman down to the tea lady and calling them names in the process of doing it... Have a whinge by all means, but lets have a bit of dignity in our whinges :)
 
SwissBlade said:
Its not a wind up, serious question. All and sundry seem to be coming out of the wood work to not just moan, but to launch attacks from every angle at the club, board, team management, players and even the marketing department. Some of which is valid, but a large proportion is not.

There was a brief period of quiet following the Forest victory, but normal service has now resumed.

Thankfully we have fans at the games, like at Watford and Scunny who appreciate the predicament and are getting behind the team for 90 mins at least.

These fans will naturally be called dreamers or deluded, but for me we need the fans to do their bit. I never understood this constant desire to plunge the knife into the club when the chips are down. Or indeed slap down those that down share the negative view all the time

Of course there are some constructive comments even from those responsible for the vitoral, but the louder comments are always the digs.

Did we really need so many threads slating the club for its marketing campaign? Does Henderson, whom many saw as the messiah returning need to be subject to a "he should never play again" thread (on the same token why is Williamson immune to the same?). Does a sarcastic attempt to get Ryan France for player of the season serve any purpose? Or will suggesting *any sacked manager* to replace our 4th manager of the season achieve anything?

There are massive areas where we need to improve and I'd love to get into a discussion on how we can "theoretically" fix problems. Bergen's analysis into goals conceded and our defending last season was always a great read as were the discussions which followed.

I started a thread before Speed left on where we should improve, but the discussion part didn't last long. I wouldn't dream of starting such threads now. This forum is no longer a place for healthy debate, unfortunately its descended lower than our beloved team. :(
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The reason i go on and on about it is largely because I had the audacity to "say it as it was" after Speed and then Adams was appointed. I was ridiculed and called a "know nowt" by some of the regulars on here. I said after seeing the Middlesboro away, then the Preston at home games, that Speed may well be on dodgy ground this season. I said then that a relegation battle was definitely on. After i saw the 3 games Carver had in charge, i said perhaps he was the man to keep us up. I'd take him till the end of the season then reassess. I then said after the Leicester home game - when every man and his dog was saying how well we played - that actually, no we didnt and Adams had set his stall out to play 'Ale House' football and that would not keep us up. Again i was laughed at.

Well, there you go! Erm actually i would love to be proved wrong, i really would.... cos i am a blade and desperately want success for us. Thing is, i say it as i see it. Adams has polished a turd and made a cesspit :(
 
SwissBlade said:
Cheers for the feedback folks, was actually expecting a barrage of abuse for upholding my positive point of view (on here at least). I was seriously thinking that some of you that have replied wanted us down before I wrote this. Perhaps I've just read too much into your posts :)

I will reiterate, I am entirely pissed off with where we are and I for one can't see us breaking out of it, but I will always try to offer an alternate view if I think its justified. On other threads I have been slated for taking a "business as usual" approach (cheers alco), but really I've been trying to say for sometime that the problems needed addressing way before Fateful February. February was the wrong time for must win matches and of course we'll get nowhere without picking up at least 7 points (I think thats still the gap) to drag us out. But Scunny, Palace, Derby and Boro all picked up points when we weren't in Feb and the gap remains the same. Whilst unlikely, (it'd mean a complete turnaround against some big teams) but its not impossible and whilst those around us aren't picking points up we can take heart from that.

As for Sheffielders question. I said a while ago (before Christmas) that the main problems for me are Discipline generally, Formation, maintaining Shape and defending/ attacking set pieces. But Micky has not managed to deal with these problems, but neither did the men before him (despite Blackwell and Speed having an entourage of staff).

Its obviously been a bigger task than Micky expected, he's tried to bring in the right sort of players, but many have let him down. I'd also say that his own judgement on signings at this level has been a big failing.

The impression I get, which gives me (some) hope is that Micky recognises the problems and he recognises the need for characters. I can't really criticise him for bringing in the right "character". He wants 11 Morgan's out there the time needed for tippy tappy football isn't enough for this season, so its make do football. And Collins, Doyle, Monty, Henderson, Cresswell all fit this bill... They just don't make up for the creativity and to be fair these characters have shirked when it comes to growing a set of balls.

Ironically the players with 'a set' more recently have been Lowton, Ched, Boggy, Quinn and on occasions Riise and Vokes. We need the rest to step up and we need Micky to have the courage in his convictions to pick the right players with the right characters...

Can we stay up? I don't know, but I'd much rather spend the time between now and the end of the season urging the lads on instead of pointing the finger of blame at everyone from the Chairman down to the tea lady and calling them names in the process of doing it... Have a whinge by all means, but lets have a bit of dignity in our whinges :)
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Your saying what everyone else is but more politely? I will continue to go to all the games this season and support them, but not Micky (and he was my choice). I just can't work out whether its sheer arrogance or stupidity which makes him take some decisions. Collins, Doyle, Cresswell and Henderson albeit very shortly have proved they are not up for the battle. You would expect at least one game out of them all season but they are all have no heart and guts. Nosworthy should be sent back because he is simply not good enough anymore. However you paint it Swiss we are saying the same things, you just think patting them on the back and the nevermind approach works best.

The bit I have highlighted in bold does not give Adams an excuse. He was almost in a no lose situation with the players we have to get out of trouble yet we are worse than either you or me can remember and I do well to blank out the Heath days
 
Who actually wants us to turn it around now?
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I'd suggest everyone on this message board. Not too sure about the powers that be at the Lane though, because while we've stumbled from disaster to disaster this season, and the last one truth be told, the silence from the club has spoken volumes.

You can understand the bile being vented at the faceless fuckers because we still care, we want to turn it around but all we can do is blindly follow the club................or not as the case may be, because the only true way to force a change is to stop going, to hit them in the pocket, and then maybe just maybe they'll do the honest thing and piss off so that someone who has a bit more nous and a pair of bollocks can come in and sort out the wreckage of a once proud football club.
 
Absolutely I want us to turn it around but I am acutely aware that the chances of seeing it this season are remote. Our prospects next season dont look that great either but I suppose they never do when you're down near the bottom.

The situation although bleak, has now been made very simple IMO. Win the 5 remaining home games and win 1 away from home. They simply have to do that (very unlikely I know) but to give themselves any chance they must! I'm passed being angry and bleating about our predicament.
 

Like most sensible people, I 100% want us to turn it around, but like others I don't think we will.

Having said that I want 100% for Micky to be given a reasonable chance of managing our team, or should I say HIS team, and for me that can ONLY start in pre-season, where he can gather his players together, whomever they may be, and get them playing HIS way, and not just picking up a ragbag of loanees assembled by an assortment of former managers.

Give the bloke a chance, even if it's in League One.
 
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