What's a stoppage in play?

[Trigger Blade]

I ask because last night, when Elokobi was shown the red, before Billy could take the penalty, Colchester made another substitution, when Moncur made his weary way over to the touchline.

Just looking at the BBC timeline, it was 2 minutes after the foul that Billy got to take the penalty. There's no way of knowing whether that had any bearing on him missing, but it just strikes me that although clearly play is stopped, the penalty is really a continuation of the last bit of play, ie the foul, so a substitution ought to wait. I'm adding that bit of injustice to my growing list of things to be indignant about

It definitely added to the spectacular timewasting and how their keeper avoided a booking is beyond me. The ref knew what he was doing and kept telling him to speed things up, where a yellow card would have done the trick. The keeper's best moment was asking the linesman what he'd done wrong when the first pen had to be taken again. As I said elsewhere, he was at least three yards off his line, maybe he doesn't know the rule?

 

[super_pig]

i'll get slated for this but you have to admire the 'game management'
these guys were totally on the ball. we looked jet lagged.

 

[raul]

Is it something to do with a bunged up Ray Winstone?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I ask because last night, when Elokobi was shown the red, before Billy could take the penalty, Colchester made another substitution, when Moncur made his weary way over to the touchline.

Just looking at the BBC timeline, it was 2 minutes after the foul that Billy got to take the penalty. There's no way of knowing whether that had any bearing on him missing, but it just strikes me that although clearly play is stopped, the penalty is really a continuation of the last bit of play, ie the foul, so a substitution ought to wait. I'm adding that bit of injustice to my growing list of things to be indignant about

It definitely added to the spectacular timewasting and how their keeper avoided a booking is beyond me. The ref knew what he was doing and kept telling him to speed things up, where a yellow card would have done the trick. The keeper's best moment was asking the linesman what he'd done wrong when the first pen had to be taken again. As I said elsewhere, he was at least three yards off his line, maybe he doesn't know the rule?

That annoyed me a bit at the time as well.
However, having seen it on Sky the foul was outside the box and shouldn't have been a penalty anyway.
Both players were literally airborne by the time they entered the box.
Maybe we would have scored with the free kick though? Injustice!

 

[Punk Blade]

A penalty is a dead ball so it would be the same as making a sub when defending a free kick or corner.

I'm sure the goalie was closer to the 6yd line than the goal line for the first penalty. Billy could've slowed his run up and waited for the goalie to run behind him the speed he came off his line!

 

[PeteBlade]

Under Clough last season we started time wasting in the first half, at home, when we weren't even winning!

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I ask because last night, when Elokobi was shown the red, before Billy could take the penalty, Colchester made another substitution, when Moncur made his weary way over to the touchline.

Just looking at the BBC timeline, it was 2 minutes after the foul that Billy got to take the penalty. There's no way of knowing whether that had any bearing on him missing, but it just strikes me that although clearly play is stopped, the penalty is really a continuation of the last bit of play, ie the foul, so a substitution ought to wait. I'm adding that bit of injustice to my growing list of things to be indignant about

It definitely added to the spectacular timewasting and how their keeper avoided a booking is beyond me. The ref knew what he was doing and kept telling him to speed things up, where a yellow card would have done the trick. The keeper's best moment was asking the linesman what he'd done wrong when the first pen had to be taken again. As I said elsewhere, he was at least three yards off his line, maybe he doesn't know the rule?

It's when you take your head out of your hands and look up to see what is happening.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

A penalty is a dead ball so it would be the same as making a sub when defending a free kick or corner.

I'm sure the goalie was closer to the 6yd line than the goal line for the first penalty. Billy could've slowed his run up and waited for the goalie to run behind him the speed he came off his line!

I think the point is in this particular case was that the referee had already allowed the sent off player about 1 minute to amble lethargically across to the touchline.
And he wasn't even injured, so there was no excuse for him to be walking so slowly and Colchester could have made their substitution during that time.
Having already delayed the penalty for that long, he should have made Colchester wait until the next "stoppage in play" before allowing them to repeat the same "exhausted player trudges slowly off acknowledging the applause from his fans" routine.

 

[grafikhaus]

It's what you'd expect of a Third Division referee. After all, if the players perform like dickheads, why shouldn't the ref?

 

[Revolution]

i'll get slated for this but you have to admire the 'game management'
these guys were totally on the ball. we looked jet lagged.

It's 20 years ago now, but I remember Dane Whitehouse missing a penalty against Tranmere in front of the kop. Eric Nixon made him wait an age, drying his hands on a towel, talking to the ref, adjusting his gloves...and Whitehouse put it wide. It was an impressive piece of gamesmanship.

We won anyway that night as well so it didn't matter.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I think the point is in this particular case was that the referee had already allowed the sent off player about 1 minute to amble lethargically across to the touchline.
And he wasn't even injured, so there was no excuse for him to be walking so slowly and Colchester could have made their substitution during that time.
Having already delayed the penalty for that long, he should have made Colchester wait until the next "stoppage in play" before allowing them to repeat the same "exhausted player trudges slowly off acknowledging the applause from his fans" routine.

Don't know why people get uptight about time keeping.


Foul that warrants a card, ref stops watch.

Moving the wall back, stops his watch.

Sub, stops his watch.

Penalty given, stops his watch.

Needs to speak to a player, stops his watch.

He starts it again when play is ready to start.

Suspect they try to hurry up subs to set a precedent for time wasting generally.

 

[Trigger Blade]

I think the point is in this particular case was that the referee had already allowed the sent off player about 1 minute to amble lethargically across to the touchline.
And he wasn't even injured, so there was no excuse for him to be walking so slowly and Colchester could have made their substitution during that time.
Having already delayed the penalty for that long, he should have made Colchester wait until the next "stoppage in play" before allowing them to repeat the same "exhausted player trudges slowly off acknowledging the applause from his fans" routine.

Good point, I'd forgotten about Elokobi (by the way, what a physique, we though to start with he was fat, but closer up, he's really muscular) going off as though he'd just finished an Ironman triathlon and them waiting until he was off before making the substitution. My indignation level is rising again

 

[Jehovah]

Good point, I'd forgotten about Elokobi (by the way, what a physique, we though to start with he was fat, but closer up, he's really muscular) going off as though he'd just finished an Ironman triathlon and them waiting until he was off before making the substitution. My indignation level is rising again

Why dont you just marry him

 

[Liaminho9]

Sevilla famously pulled a stunt a few years ago against Barcelona.
Messi (who isn't great at penalties anyway) stepped up to take a last minute penalty with the scores tied 0-0.
Freddie Kanoute (Ex-Spurs) randomly shoved over Fabregas as Messi was about to take to Penalty, causing the usual handbags, which the referee had to sort out, leaving Messi stood there waiting to take it. Completely got in his head, and he missed.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

I ask because last night, when Elokobi was shown the red, before Billy could take the penalty, Colchester made another substitution, when Moncur made his weary way over to the touchline.

Just looking at the BBC timeline, it was 2 minutes after the foul that Billy got to take the penalty. There's no way of knowing whether that had any bearing on him missing, but it just strikes me that although clearly play is stopped, the penalty is really a continuation of the last bit of play, ie the foul, so a substitution ought to wait. I'm adding that bit of injustice to my growing list of things to be indignant about

It definitely added to the spectacular timewasting and how their keeper avoided a booking is beyond me. The ref knew what he was doing and kept telling him to speed things up, where a yellow card would have done the trick. The keeper's best moment was asking the linesman what he'd done wrong when the first pen had to be taken again. As I said elsewhere, he was at least three yards off his line, maybe he doesn't know the rule?

Ref tells keeper to stop time wasting, keeper then does the old " What's that ref ?, what's that you saying ?, thus wasting more time. Every keeper time wastes when the circumstances allow. Apart from that, the lad had a decent game, like most of his team mates.

 

[vorpal blade]

"but it just strikes me that although clearly play is stopped, the penalty is really a continuation of the last bit of play, ie the foul, so a substitution ought to wait."

yes but Trigger, when a goalkeeper gives away a penalty, like as not, he'll be sent-off and they always allow a substitution to be made, otherwise an outfield player would have to go in. I mean, you may believe it would be fairer to have an unguarded net and let the penalty be rolled in. Timekeeping has improved a great deal hence much longer extra times than they used to have but I suspect if it were timed as accurately as Basketball or Rugby League, we'd have 10 minutes....?

 

[Trigger Blade]

Why dont you just marry him

How do you know I'm a woman

 

[vorpal blade]

Doesn't matter anymore.

 

[Punk Blade]

I think the point is in this particular case was that the referee had already allowed the sent off player about 1 minute to amble lethargically across to the touchline.
And he wasn't even injured, so there was no excuse for him to be walking so slowly and Colchester could have made their substitution during that time.
Having already delayed the penalty for that long, he should have made Colchester wait until the next "stoppage in play" before allowing them to repeat the same "exhausted player trudges slowly off acknowledging the applause from his fans" routine.

Maybe I misread the OP but I took it as a question as to whether a sub would be permissible before a penalty was taken, which of course it is.

Looking at the delay in Elekobi departing before they made the sub, I wonder if you are allowed to make a sub while a red-carded player is still trudging off. If no, then there was nothing wrong with the sub whatsoever (announcement and board went up right as Elekobi reached the touchline). The only possible problem, as you point out, was how long the ref allowed both players to exit the field.

All moot really as an appropriate amount of added time was played.

 

[Jehovah]

How do you know I'm a woman

Your post was a bit naggy

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Maybe I misread the OP but I took it as a question as to whether a sub would be permissible before a penalty was taken, which of course it is.

Looking at the delay in Elekobi departing before they made the sub, I wonder if you are allowed to make a sub while a red-carded player is still trudging off. If no, then there was nothing wrong with the sub whatsoever (announcement and board went up right as Elekobi reached the touchline). The only possible problem, as you point out, was how long the ref allowed both players to exit the field.

All moot really as an appropriate amount of added time was played.

Possibly not but if so, it's another stupid rule that slows the game down and appears to have no logical reason for it.

 

[sitwell]

Good point, I'd forgotten about Elokobi (by the way, what a physique, we though to start with he was fat, but closer up, he's really muscular) going off as though he'd just finished an Ironman triathlon and them waiting until he was off before making the substitution. My indignation level is rising again

He had the figure of a Robin.