Warnock and players to sue West Ham?

[Linz]

I'm assuming with the wording, this week's Hatchet Man was not written by Samuel... and whoever it is... they don't like Jagielka:

Jagielka heads the race for easy money in the aftermath of the Carlos Tevez affair

Phil Jagielka is one of the players who could not keep Sheffield United in the Barclays Premier League two years ago and supposedly now wants a bonus for it.

It is thought that 19 of them plus former manager Neil Warnock are ready to sue West Ham to pay for their failure as they shamelessly see pound signs following a fair settlement between the two clubs.

West Ham's deceitful third party ownership rule-breaking in the Carlos Tevez saga has left them vulnerable to such action and maybe they deserve everything they get (their amazingly resilient chief executive Scott Duxbury, a key player in the mess, certainly does).

But Jagielka's apparent involvement reveals those involved in the latest twist for the opportunists they are and somebody should put an end to this embarrassing episode once and for all.

As a result of Sheffield United's relegation Jagielka was sold to Everton for £4million and it is normal practice for the player to profit from the sale process.In addition, his wages at a bigger club with better prospects would usually increase significantly.

At Everton, his good form has been noticed by England's new management regime, which it may not have at unfashionable Sheffield United, and that too will have had lucrative spin-offs either in bonuses or commercial endorsements - or both.

Apparently after two years with Everton, Jagielka is also in line for a pay hike taking his weekly wage from £25,000 to £40,000. So how exactly has the 26-year-old lost out financially from Sheffield United's relegation?

Maybe West Ham should counter-sue him for not sharing in the significant upturn in fortunes he has enjoyed since West Ham helped send his old club down. After all, they should be able to take the smooth with the rough.

The latest developments serve only to confirm that one side is no better than the other and expediency not morality rules.

No one at this stage seems to care about what happened or why, their cases are not about right or wrong but what they think will be easy money.

I thought this one had been put to bed a while ago and the players said they weren't bothered?

 

[The One]

I thought the same.

All old news will be brought back up again though.

 

[Billyblade]

Oh dear.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5061900,00.html

 

[Linz]

I think Warnock is a big enough boy to take all the inevitable flak on his own... I would hope our current players don't get involved though.

They earn in a week what I earn in a year - they don't need the money and the club doesn't need any more publicity.

 

[Vistoma]

I think Warnock is a big enough boy to take all the inevitable flak on his own... I would hope our current players don't get involved though.

They earn in a week what I earn in a year - they don't need the money and the club doesn't need any more publicity.

couldn't agree more

 

[Deleted member 1486]

I have to say; it's incredibly unlikely Jagielka would win anything anyway. You can only sue for losses and he'd be the one person who would find it difficult to prove he lost anything as he did rather well out of our relegation (signing on fee, higher profile and premiership wages).

They've just picked his name out of a hat as he's the most high profile player. Paper bullshit. Warnock on the other hand...

 

[The Inquisitor]

Warnock may sue over Tevez saga

Former Sheffield United manager Neil Warnock is considering suing West Ham now that the two clubs have concluded their legal dispute over Carlos Tevez.

The Blades agreed a settlement with the Hammers on Monday after claiming compensation for the part Tevez played in keeping the London club up in 2007.

Warnock, whose side went down, told the BBC he would be "seeking legal advice".

He added: "We worked so hard that year. The club was going forward. You do feel bitter without a shadow of a doubt."

BBC Sport understands West Ham have agreed to pay the Blades about £20m in compensation, which will be paid in installments over a five-year period.

And if West Ham are sold within a certain timeframe, a further bond of £5m will be payable to Sheffield United.

Warnock, now boss of Crystal Palace, said he could think about his own position now that the clubs have sorted their issues.

"It's just been a matter of finalising all those details first before you think about your personal losses," he told Radio 5 Live.

In April 2007, West Ham were fined £5.5m by the Premier League for breaking rules over third-party agreements when taking striker Tevez and fellow Argentine Javier Mascherano to Upton Park.

But they were not docked points and, ultimately, went on to ensure their Premier League survival, with Tevez playing a key part with his goals, including three in the last two games.

Warnock spent seven-and-a-half years as Blades manager before resigning three days after they were relegated on the last day of the 2007 season following a defeat at home by Wigan.

As the Blades were losing that day, Tevez scored West Ham's winner at Manchester United - the club the forward went on to join.

Players from the Sheffield United team that were relegated also intend to pursue their compensation claim.

"We understand, but have not been informed officially, that the club's dispute with West Ham has been settled," Chris Farnell, the lawyer representing the players, told The Times newspaper.

"However, the players' claim will continue independently. We have made correspondence with West Ham's lawyers as recently as the end of last week."

However, West Ham have told BBC Sport that they have not received a claim from the players.

Story from BBC SPORT:

Whatever you think of the whole Tevez case, it's Warnock and the players fault they were down the bottom fighting relegation in the first place. Seems like some people need to take it on the chin and accept some personal responsibity.

 

[shorehamview]

Whatever you think of the whole Tevez case, it's Warnock and the players fault they were down the bottom fighting relegation in the first place. Seems like some people need to take it on the chin and accept some personal responsibity.

It was entirely in our own hands on the last day of the season. We could have been a set of cheating fuckers and played with players we weren't entitled to play, but we didn't. And if we had won and Wigan had been relegated in our place then somebody else would be getting a payout from West Ham.

What I think of the Tevez case is that finally the cheating lying fellows have had to cough up. If the idiots running the Premier League had got any balls then they would have taken points off West Ham, but they showed that they have all the balls of a harem eunuch.

So take it on the chin, and accept the fact that I personally am getting sick to the back teeth of West Ham fans wittering on that it was Warnock's fault, McCabe's fault, God's fault, and that West Ham are whiter than white and being unfairly persecuted. If West Ham's board had taken some personal responsibility instead of cheating and then lying through their back teeth then this whole fiasco wouldn't have happened.

 

[Bladesman]

Despite all this not sure how cheating and lieing can be seen as acceptable when it directly affects someone else. People seem to have alot of sympathy for West Ham purely because of the long drawn out affair and have lost sight of what they actually did in the 1st place.

I mean if we had stayed up and Wigan had gone down I think West Ham would be still in the same boat as Dave Whelan as he has been fighting in our corner since.

 

[The Inquisitor]

Funny though how it's only Sheffield United supporters who seem to think the only factor in them being relegated was Tevez. Tevez played 90 minutes when you hammered us that season, I never heard you moaning then or saying that game was unfair. Even if he hadn't played the last game of the season, we would have still drawn and you would have still been relegated. Warnock and these former players are not in the Premiership any more because they really arn't that good. If they were, someone else would have snapped them up when you went down anyway.

 

[Sensiblade]

Funny though how it's only Sheffield United supporters who seem to think the only factor in them being relegated was Tevez. Tevez played 90 minutes when you hammered us that season, I never heard you moaning then or saying that game was unfair. Even if he hadn't played the last game of the season, we would have still drawn and you would have still been relegated. Warnock and these former players are not in the Premiership any more because they really arn't that good. If they were, someone else would have snapped them up when you went down anyway.

The point is he shouldn't have been playing at all in any of the matches.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Funny though how it's only Sheffield United supporters who seem to think the only factor in them being relegated was Tevez. Tevez played 90 minutes when you hammered us that season, I never heard you moaning then or saying that game was unfair. Even if he hadn't played the last game of the season, we would have still drawn and you would have still been relegated. Warnock and these former players are not in the Premiership any more because they really arn't that good. If they were, someone else would have snapped them up when you went down anyway.

Tevez could have been as much use on the pitch as my grandmother (and she's been dead 25 years) his quality on the pitch is not the question, but his eligibility to be there IS. West Ham knew full well his registration was illegal but still continued with it AND when it was pointed out that this was not right LIED in order to make sure he played the last three games when he was bang in form. Take it, accept it, stop whinging at us, and for f***s sake lobby that board of yours to get rid of that twisted slimeball Duxbury before he costs you far more than money...and while you're at it get that git Scudamore as well.

 

[The Inquisitor]

The point is he shouldn't have been playing at all in any of the matches.

Tevez could have been as much use on the pitch as my grandmother (and she's been dead 25 years) his quality on the pitch is not the question, but his eligibility to be there IS. West Ham knew full well his registration was illegal but still continued with it AND when it was pointed out that this was not right LIED in order to make sure he played the last three games when he was bang in form. Take it, accept it, stop whinging at us, and for f***s sake lobby that board of yours to get rid of that twisted slimeball Duxbury before he costs you far more than money...and while you're at it get that git Scudamore as well.

Fair enough but this isn't about wether West Ham cheated or not, it's about if we had, how much that contributed to Warnock and these players downfall. The case Sheffield Utd had has now been sorted. These people I feel though are in a less justifiable position than the club of Sheffield Utd. Players and managers move on all the time from clubs and wether or not you thing the Blades should still be in the Premiership, these people quite easily could be if they were good enough.

 

[silverfox]

Fair enough but this isn't about wether West Ham cheated or not, it's about if we had, how much that contributed to Warnock and these players downfall. The case Sheffield Utd had has now been sorted. These people I feel though are in a less justifiable position than the club of Sheffield Utd. Players and managers move on all the time from clubs and wether or not you thing the Blades should still be in the Premiership, these people quite easily could be if they were good enough.

West Hams fans still never understand do they?

We may not have been good enough. We will always accept that....we know from years of watching it to understand.

But you had a player who was clearly "good enough" who shouldn't have been allowed to play.

That is cheating and points should have been deducted.

Why keep trying to get the moral high ground??

Move on!



Don't you understand that?

 

[The Inquisitor]

West Hams fans still never understand do they?

We may not have been good enough. We will always accept that....we know from years of watching it to understand.

But you had a player who was clearly "good enough" who shouldn't have been allowed to play.

That is cheating and points should have been deducted.

Why keep trying to get the moral high ground??

Move on!



Don't you understand that?

The cheating I accept, wether points should or should not have been deducted is debatable, it's the first Premiership case of its kind and no precedent was laid down before hand as to a guideline for punishment. If we had been deducted 3 points or whatever, fair enough, I would have taken it on the chin and as it is I quite honestly wipe my brow because it could have easily and fairly justifiably happened.
Warnock and these players case though isn't about how fair the punishment was but about how it affected them financially which in the points I've mentioned I dont think is very much.
I reckon the FA ballsed this one up completely. I think they didn't deduct us points because given the situation at the time we were dead certs to go down. The fact that we made such an amazing come back must have left them collectively thinking "oh shit!"

 

[Linz]

The cheating I accept, wether points should or should not have been deducted is debatable, it's the first Premiership case of its kind and no precedent was laid down before hand as to a guideline for punishment...

However, you only have to look to the Football League to see what precedents they have set to see that a points deduction isn't too far removed from possibility. The Premier League set itself apart from the FL, but their origins were much the same.

Can I just remind everyone that while opinions are polarised, it's nice to see that this hasn't descended into childish name calling like other forums. Debate is good, but it's pointless getting heated about things. Do carry on...

 

[silverfox]

The cheating I accept, wether points should or should not have been deducted is debatable, it's the first Premiership case of its kind and no precedent was laid down before hand as to a guideline for punishment. If we had been deducted 3 points or whatever, fair enough, I would have taken it on the chin and as it is I quite honestly wipe my brow because it could have easily and fairly justifiably happened.
Warnock and these players case though isn't about how fair the punishment was but about how it affected them financially which in the points I've mentioned I dont think is very much.
I reckon the FA ballsed this one up completely. I think they didn't deduct us points because given the situation at the time we were dead certs to go down. The fact that we made such an amazing come back must have left them collectively thinking "oh shit!"

I think it nearly sums it up.....the powers that be bottled it and they should be sacked if they don't resign.

It never should have been about money.......the powers that be decided that.

Whoever now makes a claim is up to them and the advice they take.

West Ham should be blaming the powers that be for not taking the points option.

 

[beightonblade]

The root of all evil money and religion.

£££££'s has ruined football.

Of course,just my humble opinion.

 

[silverfox]

The root of all evil money.

Of course,just my humble opinion.

You may donate all you have to me and i'll make sure it's not used for any evil purpose.

Unless you class red wine as evil.

 

[beightonblade]

You may donate all you have to me and i'll make sure it's not used for any evil purpose.

Unless you class red wine as evil.

red wines alreight SF

 

[The Inquisitor]

After all this trouble, it kind of makes me wonder if buying Tevez outright wouldn't have been cheaper and easier in the longrun!:lol:

 

[beightonblade]

After all this trouble, it kind of makes me wonder if buying Tevez outright wouldn't have been cheaper and easier in the longrun!:lol:

Bang on the button..........Terry Brown & Whacko Jacobian did the damage to West Ham.........oh and the fellar wi big ears !

 

[silverfox]

I'm afraid there are too many money chasers in football.

We need to get back to football.

Easy!