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There was a bit of debate about this on another thread, so I worked out the average attendances for each decade. Here they are, United on the left, the higher in bold

1890's 7881 8834
1900's 13,110 11543
1910's 15184 15568
1920's 22309 19651
1930's 19185 20187
1940's 33006 32169
1950's 25986 33180
1960's 20163 26896
1970's 21742 15133
1980's 12222 20037
1990's 17710 26415
2000's 21407 22,222
2010's 20028 21531

Overall 19493 20725

The upshot is that whilst they have generally had more fans than us,, it was pretty much even until the 50's. They started spurting ahead of us in 49-50 when both teams were going for promotion from Division 2 and Wednesday averaged 40K and United only 30K. Wednesday have always kept that lead ever since except for 70-79 and 06-11.

Overall though, they have only average 1000 or so more fans a season than us.
 

Darren said:
There was a bit of debate about this on another thread, so I worked out the average attendances for each decade. Here they are, United on the left, the higher in bold

1890's 7881 8834
1900's 13,110 11543
1910's 15184 15568
1920's 22309 19651
1930's 19185 20187
1940's 33006 32169
1950's 25986 33180
1960's 20163 26896
1970's 21742 15133
1980's 12222 20037
1990's 17710 26415
2000's 21407 22,222
2010's 20028 21531

Overall 19493 20725

The upshot is that whilst they have generally had more fans than us,, it was pretty much even until the 50's. They started spurting ahead of us in 49-50 when both teams were going for promotion from Division 2 and Wednesday averaged 40K and United only 30K. Wednesday have always kept that lead ever since except for 70-79 and 06-11.

Overall though, they have only average 1000 or so more fans a season than us.
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good stuff, are you able to do a comparable of our league positions over the same period? Would be interesting to compare.
 
Darren said:
There was a bit of debate about this on another thread, so I worked out the average attendances for each decade. Here they are, United on the left, the higher in bold

1890's 7881 8834
1900's 13,110 11543
1910's 15184 15568
1920's 22309 19651
1930's 19185 20187
1940's 33006 32169
1950's 25986 33180
1960's 20163 26896
1970's 21742 15133
1980's 12222 20037
1990's 17710 26415
2000's 21407 22,222
2010's 20028 21531

Overall 19493 20725

The upshot is that whilst they have generally had more fans than us,, it was pretty much even until the 50's. They started spurting ahead of us in 49-50 when both teams were going for promotion from Division 2 and Wednesday averaged 40K and United only 30K. Wednesday have always kept that lead ever since except for 70-79 and 06-11.

Overall though, they have only average 1000 or so more fans a season than us.
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You fucking pig!
 
Darren said:
There was a bit of debate about this on another thread, so I worked out the average attendances for each decade. Here they are, United on the left, the higher in bold

1890's 7881 8834
1900's 13,110 11543
1910's 15184 15568
1920's 22309 19651
1930's 19185 20187
1940's 33006 32169
1950's 25986 33180
1960's 20163 26896
1970's 21742 15133
1980's 12222 20037
1990's 17710 26415
2000's 21407 22,222
2010's 20028 21531

Overall 19493 20725

The upshot is that whilst they have generally had more fans than us,, it was pretty much even until the 50's. They started spurting ahead of us in 49-50 when both teams were going for promotion from Division 2 and Wednesday averaged 40K and United only 30K. Wednesday have always kept that lead ever since except for 70-79 and 06-11.

Overall though, they have only average 1000 or so more fans a season than us.
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and could we have an idea of how many of wednesdays fans were actually shitwasps?

Good work though Darren, thank you. (quiet day at the office?)
 
Gavlar said:
good stuff, are you able to do a comparable of our league positions over the same period? Would be interesting to compare.
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1991 to 2011 was quite bizarre.

1991-92 Wednesday
1992-93 Wednesday
1993-94 Wednesday
1994-95 Wednesday
1995-96 Wednesday
1996-97 Wednesday
1997-98 Wednesday
1998-99 Wednesday
1999-00 Wednesday
2000-01 United
2001-02 United
2002-03 United
2003-04 United
2004-05 United
2005-06 United
2006-07 United
2007-08 United
2008-09 United
2009-10 United
2010-11 United

That's what you call a double helix change.
 
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Darren said:
There was a bit of debate about this on another thread, so I worked out the average attendances for each decade. Here they are, United on the left, the higher in bold

1890's 7881 8834
1900's 13,110 11543
1910's 15184 15568
1920's 22309 19651
1930's 19185 20187
1940's 33006 32169
1950's 25986 33180
1960's 20163 26896
1970's 21742 15133
1980's 12222 20037
1990's 17710 26415
2000's 21407 22,222
2010's 20028 21531

Overall 19493 20725

The upshot is that whilst they have generally had more fans than us,, it was pretty much even until the 50's. They started spurting ahead of us in 49-50 when both teams were going for promotion from Division 2 and Wednesday averaged 40K and United only 30K. Wednesday have always kept that lead ever since except for 70-79 and 06-11.

Overall though, they have only average 1000 or so more fans a season than us.
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This is why I struggle to see why they're so convinced they have this fantastic support far and away better than ours.
I've been watching the blades since the mid seventies and just never ever seen any evidence to explain their unfathomable belief that they have some sort of incredible support.
Don't forget they have a bigger stadium that allows for one-off games (such as Wycombe) to bump up their average attendance.
Also a larger away end helps as well. I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the two clubs attendances of this season but with home fans only.
 
FATTYFOULKE said:
This is why I struggle to see why they're so convinced they have this fantastic support far and away better than ours.
I've been watching the blades since the mid seventies and just never ever seen any evidence to explain their unfathomable belief that they have some sort of incredible support.
Don't forget they have a bigger stadium that allows for one-off games (such as Wycombe) to bump up their average attendance.
Also a larger away end helps as well. I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the two clubs attendances of this season but with home fans only.
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In all of my time supporting United...since the 50's SWFC have been able to whistle up bigger crowds on important occasions.
I have however been in Wednesday crowds....when I've sensed a home defeat looming.....of 7000, more times than I can remember.
 
You also have to take into account that Wednesday have a bigger stadium at their disposal.

If we were both back in the Premier League for the 2016-17 season they would annihilate us on attendances.
 
The support of both clubs is tremendous considering, but as a United fan I can say that. As Wendies they can't.
All time figures prove that they have averaged slightly more than United with a bigger, freely developed and local authority pushed stadium of choice.
All times figures therefore must show that United have a greater percentage of "groundfill" and that's just as important, perhaps even more so as Wendy can boost figures with one off vital games and give a false overall picture.
I'd rather have a fuller stadium and better atmosphere than everything being down to the bottom line of how many were there especially when it's nowt substantial enough to warrant a conversation with them about it anyway.
 
Wouldn't say that tbh.
They may shade it due to the bigger stadium and bigger away end but hardly "annihilate" us.
 
Darren said:
There was a bit of debate about this on another thread, so I worked out the average attendances for each decade. Here they are, United on the left, the higher in bold

1890's 7881 8834
1900's 13,110 11543
1910's 15184 15568
1920's 22309 19651
1930's 19185 20187
1940's 33006 32169
1950's 25986 33180
1960's 20163 26896
1970's 21742 15133
1980's 12222 20037
1990's 17710 26415
2000's 21407 22,222
2010's 20028 21531

Overall 19493 20725

The upshot is that whilst they have generally had more fans than us,, it was pretty much even until the 50's. They started spurting ahead of us in 49-50 when both teams were going for promotion from Division 2 and Wednesday averaged 40K and United only 30K. Wednesday have always kept that lead ever since except for 70-79 and 06-11.

Overall though, they have only average 1000 or so more fans a season than us.
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And there goes another Wednesday myth. If they are indeed massive then so are we. The truth of course is neither of us are
 
Darren said:
There was a bit of debate about this on another thread, so I worked out the average attendances for each decade. Here they are, United on the left, the higher in bold

1890's 7881 8834
1900's 13,110 11543
1910's 15184 15568
1920's 22309 19651
1930's 19185 20187
1940's 33006 32169
1950's 25986 33180
1960's 20163 26896
1970's 21742 15133
1980's 12222 20037
1990's 17710 26415
2000's 21407 22,222
2010's 20028 21531

Overall 19493 20725

The upshot is that whilst they have generally had more fans than us,, it was pretty much even until the 50's. They started spurting ahead of us in 49-50 when both teams were going for promotion from Division 2 and Wednesday averaged 40K and United only 30K. Wednesday have always kept that lead ever since except for 70-79 and 06-11.

Overall though, they have only average 1000 or so more fans a season than us.
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Taking on board your point about the 'gap' appearing since the end of the 1940s, there have only been 4 occasions since the second world war when United's average attendances have been higher than Wednesday's when both clubs have been in the same division. The first of those was in 1970-1, when we got promoted and had a very entertaining and exciting side. The other 3 occasions came in consecutive seasons under Blackwell (2007-8, 2008-9 and 2009-10) when we definitely weren't entertaining or exciting.

I am not surprised that the gap grew comparatively large in the 1980s and 1990s as this was a time when Wednesday had a pretty long period of dominance over us in terms of league position. Usually they were playing in a higher division and sometimes two divisions higher.

In the 1970s when we were dominant over them this was also reflected in the attendances (in our favour).

Whilst Wednesday still remain the club with the larger following (albeit not by many) and most impartial observers would regard them as the bigger club, I feel this could easily turn in our favour if we got ahead of them in the league again.
 
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Darren said:
There was a bit of debate about this on another thread, so I worked out the average attendances for each decade. Here they are, United on the left, the higher in bold

1890's 7881 8834
1900's 13,110 11543
1910's 15184 15568
1920's 22309 19651
1930's 19185 20187
1940's 33006 32169
1950's 25986 33180
1960's 20163 26896
1970's 21742 15133
1980's 12222 20037
1990's 17710 26415
2000's 21407 22,222
2010's 20028 21531

Overall 19493 20725

The upshot is that whilst they have generally had more fans than us,, it was pretty much even until the 50's. They started spurting ahead of us in 49-50 when both teams were going for promotion from Division 2 and Wednesday averaged 40K and United only 30K. Wednesday have always kept that lead ever since except for 70-79 and 06-11.

Overall though, they have only average 1000 or so more fans a season than us.
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nice one Darren

can't help thinking tho you must gave plenty of spare time on your hands ;)
 
1,000 more...is that all? I'm sure PN produce a stat showing they averaged about 30,000 more than us.....

Anyway, it's quite clear to me...factor in the fact that they have spent more time in higher divisions than us (which impacts on how many fans attend games).....plus the fact that their rusting sh!t-hole is bigger and can accommodate more away fans......and it's clear that we have more fans.

UTB FTP
 
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