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Very abridged report tonight due to being very tired/early start for work tomorrow and the diabolical performance leaving me feeling less then enamoured to spend any time describing it; so apologies!

In short like against Colchester and Bristol we were woeful. We got a point but in truth were a shade fortunate to get anything. We had few chances of note and had no passing cohesion, penetration or real cutting edge all evening. Walsall were not much better but did pass it better, at least won loose balls (the midfield) and showed some desire. People will go on about formations, tactics, players in wrong/right positions etc, etc, but the truth is we are garbage. We lack shape, skill, passion, spirit, desire, pace, athleticism, scoring threat, composure, the lot. People may say a draw is not the worst result but those there will know the truth over what they score.

We brought Miller back in and Hill for Maguire but it carried on from the same aimless garbage from Saturday with little football, not winning individual battles and generally looked disinterested all game. The crowd I felt were patient considering the dross served up.

First half they controlled matters but had little chances despite us never having the ball more than for 5 seconds. They dictated play without having a clear opportunity until Long had to save after a horror White back pass. After this we had a clear penalty when White was felled but the ref somehow waved it away and gave a goal kick (the very least it was a corner!). It seemed a clear penalty and soon after far less convincing award saw a handball given. It was a clear make up call and Porter converted coolly after the appeals. We certainly did not deserve to lead but it was a bit of fortune maybe we could build on.

Not so as second half a good swift move saw White let the winger in too easily and then a good cross evaded both Collins and Hill as Westcarr powered home a good header. They deserved to be level to be fair but United’s shocking start to the 2nd half mirrored the previous home game. After this the game settled down into a general malaise of crapness. We did nothing of note. We took off Miller and even though he had done little this negated any kind of attacking threat. We huffed and puffed but in reality did very little. They too even though a little more fluent did nothing of note attacking wise and only our hesitancy looked like letting them in.

Changes came from both teams but it was a dire game. We still had no control over midfield and simply could not get hold of it all night. Sadly this has been story much of season, as we never really got into any dangerous positions and the ball just resembled a hot potato. Taylor had a flick header wide and we had a few long range efforts but the game could have gone on another hour and we still would not have scored. After McGinn somehow managed to hit the front man for what seemed like the 100th time right in stoppage time the game mercifully ended.

An awful game between two shocking sides but sadly for us the more composed and more committed were the visitors.

United – Think I have described the performance enough above. Positives were Hill who played really well and Porter gave his all with little help. The rest of the team were pretty woeful. I will detail ratings below but overall Clough will see we have a side that is simply not good enough. Lack of aggression, determination and desire was clear. This coupled with poor touch, passing and creativity meant it was simply dire to watch. Make no mistake this looks a relegation contending side and it will take a huge effort for this side to stay up. Those thinking we will slowly inch towards mid table gradually are in for a shock as I see nothing more than an odd win or draw in a series of games and Saturday at Orient (a good side) will show how poor we really are.

Most fans were bored by what they saw tonight as another spineless show which lacked ability and urgency was punctuated by a series of sub par individuals just kind of going through the motions. It was unacceptable and whoever is the manger must see that. So many times we lost the loose ball or the second ball and then when we had it we just sort of tossed it forward aimlessly as if no one wanted to take responsibility. Maybe some may be thinking I am exaggerating but I really thought it was dire again tonight and we did well to get anything. We have massive improvements to make in everything from individuals to the overall team performance. Many more games like that and the crowd will dip even lower than the 14,000 odd it was tonight.

Long 6.5/10 – Did not communicate with the back line again and this nearly led to so more chances/goals. Had little chance on the goal and not many saves to make but he needs to control his backline far batter and be closer to edge of box to claim through balls.

McMahon 6/10 – Alright I suppose. He at times overplayed and also on a couple of occasions in the first half gave his man too much time but he was ok from a defensive point of view even if his passing and crossing going forward was ordinary.

White 3/10 – Deary me. Did not do much right. Nearly gave a goal away with a back header, lost
his man routinely and then was so slow as he failed to stop the winger and cross on the goal. Going forward he never did anything of note unless you count two crosses behind the goal. Another in the line of god damn awful left backs we have at the club.

Hill 7.5/10 – Our best player. He was excellent. Commited, first to the ball and defended well all game. He is much better at centre back than left back and I would consider playing him and Maguire at centre back moving forward.

Collins 6/10 – He was ok. Still perfected that right angle clearance where he just sort of hoofs it out straight the way he is facing instead of kicking it down the line. He was clumsy at times but I suppose he at least kicked and headed it away. A very ordinary defender but at this level there is worryingly even worse!

Coady 4/10 – Watched him carefully tonight after I felt he was poor at Bristol and he was really poor, maybe even worse. His touch to say he is fairly highly rated from a club such as Liverpool, is awful. His second touch is often a tackle. So slow to the ball and very sluggish. His passing was wretched. He is not good enough sadly and is even worse than what we have regardless of whether
he maybe could play more inside than on the wing.

McGinn 3/10 – Thought he was abject from start to finish. Those (including me) who have asked for him to play more regular were given a rude awakening as he gave an awful display. Never got close to any of theirs to win the ball or close others down. His passing was poor and his set plays a disgrace. Put 7 corners (I counted them) into the near post man. The final one was the last straw for many who streamed out as he raised his hand to apologise for yet another basic mistake. To do it once or twice is poor. 4 or 5 times is unacceptable.

Doyle 4/10 – Another poor performance. He never won any loose balls, miscontrolled it often and his passing was erratic. He was still better than McGinn and Coady though as he at least played one or two forward balls to our men and won a few tackles! Sure he will be castigated by many once again but even for his poor play he was still superior to the other 3 in midfield.

Lappin 4/10- Barely remember him touching the ball all evening. Sure he did but game seemed to completely pass him by. No attacking threat whatsoever. A poor player really who fits right into the abjectness of the rest.

Miller 4/10 – Did not think he was great tonight. He did not close enough to Porter and his touch was off most of evening. He had little service but I felt he was not quite at it and can’t remember him having any efforts or creating anything. The ball never stuck and I felt he was always chasing it due to poor touch.

Porter 6.5/10 –.Felt he tried hard and at least won a few headers and tried to bring others into play. He got a rough ride from a few in the stands but unsure what else e could do trying to get onto balls played from 30 or 40 yards away and with little service or help around him.

Subs

Taylor – Had a flick header wide and won a few flicks and loose balls. Tried to get amongst things but was another living off scraps but was more lively than the disappointing Miller.

Baxter – Never really got in the game but as I said the other day, his weight and lack of mobility means he won’t start many games. Played up top but did not seem to be able to influence things from here.
 

Agree with that. Hill was our best player by a distance. Porter was ok and Taylor was an improvement on the very disappointing Miller. White was shocking and Coady & McGinn were little better. We lack quality and desire. I just hope we can stay up and sort it out in the summer - but I think we need to bring in 2 or 3 to even stay up.
 
Dire game, but for a team sitting eighth it shows what a dreadful league this is as they were awful. Pretty, pretty football at the back but rarely got anywhere with it. George made 2 good saves but really didn't have much to do. Final 20 minutes the players looked as if they'd woken up, but a shocker. Isn't there a happy medium? We've gone from passing it out from the back and then overpassing to complete hoofball. I think George only rolled out the ball once.
 
Reasonable assessment as ever, thank you. I despair though at this group of players.
 
I'm glad that Hill got a good game, as a lot were questioning him unfairly :eek:. The game was again slightly poor, I expect better at home but we should have had the 3 points if it wasn't for that White mistake.
McGinn worst player on field and Coady seems out of placed on the wing.
 
I'm too tired to type the detail behind my disgust at that performance but Deadbat has covered everything I saw. Good summary.

When is this pain going to stop ?How many and how quickly can we get rid of the shite ?
 
I'm glad that Hill got a good game, as a lot were questioning him unfairly :eek:. The game was again slightly poor, I expect better at home but we should have had the 3 points if it wasn't for that White mistake.
McGinn worst player on field and Coady seems out of placed on the wing.

McGinn looked lost and Miller looked like a lost soul today.
 
Baxter looks like someone who wrote to the club with a cv and then we gave him a game without realising he wasn't actually a footballer. But we keep doing it.

(Was it Souness at Southampton who did something akin to this)
 
[quote="Deadbat, post: 547019, member:

McGinn 3/10 – Thought he was abject from start to finish. Those (including me) who have asked for him to play more regular were given a rude awakening as he gave an awful display. Never got close to any of theirs to win the ball or close others down. His passing was poor and his set plays a disgrace. Put 7 corners (I counted them) into the near post man. The final one was the last straw for many who streamed out as he raised his hand to apologise for yet another basic mistake. To do it once or twice is poor. 4 or 5 times is unacceptable.

quote]

You don't do yourself any favours with that statement, we only had 5 corners in the match, agree that the delivery was shite on the vast majority.
 
Think this is all a bit harsh on Walsall. They played the football, and in previous games have carved teams apart. Our uber-defensive line-up stopped them playing through us and rendered them toothless, but we were dreadful in possession ourselves.

A shocking watch, but a point for a relegation placed team against a promotion chaser is the crumb of comfort.
 
What frustrated me most tonight was our total lack of basic football skills. I'm talking about being able to control a ball with their first touch (or even second), the ability to play a simple short pass accurately along the ground, run whilst keeping control of the ball, crossing a ball etc. For professional footballers some of them should be embarrassed at their inability to do the basics. They could do with a spell with the academy coaches at under 10 level to be taught these simple techniques.
 
I might have to wear a tin hat for this but at the end of the day results are improving. We would have lost those last two games under Weir. We're crap, we have mostly crap players....we know that and because of that the performances will be largely shit.

The one thing we now have is a manager who knows how to at least put some points on the board with a bad team. I'm expecting nothing in terms of performances and am simply hoping Cloughie can keep grinding points out of a poor group of players.
 
Dire game, but for a team sitting eighth it shows what a dreadful league this is as they were awful. Pretty, pretty football at the back but rarely got anywhere with it. George made 2 good saves but really didn't have much to do. Final 20 minutes the players looked as if they'd woken up, but a shocker. Isn't there a happy medium? We've gone from passing it out from the back and then overpassing to complete hoofball. I think George only rolled out the ball once.

Standby for a Pinchy megablast.:eek:
 

[quote="Deadbat, post: 547019, member:

McGinn 3/10 – Thought he was abject from start to finish. Those (including me) who have asked for him to play more regular were given a rude awakening as he gave an awful display. Never got close to any of theirs to win the ball or close others down. His passing was poor and his set plays a disgrace. Put 7 corners (I counted them) into the near post man. The final one was the last straw for many who streamed out as he raised his hand to apologise for yet another basic mistake. To do it once or twice is poor. 4 or 5 times is unacceptable.

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You don't do yourself any favours with that statement, we only had 5 corners in the match, agree that the delivery was shite on the vast majority.
How a professional footballer is not able to put in a good ball from 5 corner kicks is a disgrace,and they are always taught to beat the 1st man at least!
Just not good enough,simple as!
 
It was boring. Passionless almost.

There is little fluidity in the team meaning we set up and stay as 3 banks of players in both attacking and defensive situations. While that makes us hard to play against it restricts us severely going forward, almost solely reliant on the forwards creating opportunities for themselves.

It looks like Clough has instilled a fear of making mistakes which means we do not take ANY risks going forward. That is not a way to progress, how can you start to play better football if you're too afraid to make mistakes? Surely there's a balance to strike but it doesn't even look like we try to. It was aimless percentage hoofball for the most part. Little risk - little reward. I prefered Morgans approach to be truthful. Last night was all but Blackwellian in nature.

I thought we looked better with all 3 subs on, hopefully he'll see that. No doubt we'll go to Orient set up for a 0-0.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz....
 
Spot on with your player ratings DB, glad that Hill is getting some justified praise, I thought he was excellent in the main, though I was a bit distressed at how many times he was the one expected to launch attacks from the back!
 
well of course it would at the moment ,we have a weak defence and keeper that need back up from midfield and confidence ,is that not obvious ? Did you honestly think Cloughie had some magic dust he could apply and make the players suddenly become promotion contenders ? We need to have patience ,he has been here only a few weeks and the team is so much tighter already ,I think he is doing a great job.
 
Did you honestly think Cloughie had some magic dust he could apply and make the players suddenly become promotion contenders ?

I agree entirely with the above. The players are a desperate bunch indeed.

However, I'm positive I've read on here, all season, that we're actually brim full of top players and it was only Weir making them play a totally alien game that was keeping us down.
Has this latter view finally been dismantled? Are the real culprits being unmasked (or are they all "scapegoats" again)?
 
I agree entirely with the above. The players are a desperate bunch indeed.

However, I'm positive I've read on here, all season, that we're actually brim full of top players and it was only Weir making them play a totally alien game that was keeping us down.
Has this latter view finally been dismantled? Are the real culprits being unmasked (or are they all "scapegoats" again)?

To repeat, since Weir left we have maintained mid table (P8 W3 D2 L3) form as opposed to relegated by Xmas (P10 W1 D2 L7) form.

I still think this team is the most awful in our history, but that awfulness if the awfluness of a mid table 3rd division team scraping drawss against Walsall and grinding out wins at Bristol City. It is not as awful as the abject surrenders to Carlisle, Rotherham, MK Dons etc etc. For that, we can only blame Weir.
 
Was a poor game last night. I've missed a couple, and the change in the team is stark. Clough has clearly changed things, made us solid and playing percentages, 2 banks of 4 with 2 up front.

It's certainly not pretty, there are times when players play the easy long ball, when control and a good pass would be better. We had too much of the latter in incorrect parts of the pitch and with a lack of pace with Weir, but there were times last night where a clever ball or a touch of skill would have put us in a better position and retained possession. The players now aren't doing it, or are scared to take the responsibility to do it (and to be fair probably aren't good enough to do it with any effectiveness...), which is painful to watch, and leads to aimless balls. It was very reminiscent of a Blackwell team if I'm honest.

But I agree that we need to cut out cloth as we need it at the moment, and grinding out results is needed, we certainly are harder to beat, and look less vulnerable at the back.

That said, playing the abysmal Coady and Lappin on the wings is surely a step too far in the 'solidity', when you have Doyle and McGinn in the middle... I know we don't have many decent options, but if we are playing like that, then at least have an attacking threat on one of the flanks.

I thought Walsall were mediocre, but one thing I think they did better than us was get width, they often seemed to have options wide on the touchlines, one situation of which led to their excellent goal.
 
To be honest Clough is doing what he can with a dreadful rag tag team. I would not say he is doing a great job but he is doing a better job than Weir which was not hard. I do think anyone who came in would have improve matters no matter how poor the players are (there are some sides even worse at this level).

I agree he has had to make us more solid and he has done that. The fact we rarely look like scoring (own goal and dodgy penalty last 2 games) are two things we are going to have to address if we want to stay in this league though.

I do not see the side getting to mid way sadly and would be delighted to just stay up.

A lot of my criticism is aimed at the players rather than Clough. In some ways it is no better to watch than under Weir; just different in that we are not losing as many games and tighter at the back. It is a start and we have to take that but that is still not to say it is awful to watch. Basic levels of passing and control are surely not hard to execute but seem beyond this lot. Also constantly losing battles all over the field is something that greatly concerns me and says a lot about the hunger and appetite of this lot.

The fact Clough was happy with a point against Walsall (a side prob with nowhere near our wage bill) says it all but is where we are at sadly. Does not mean we cannot be unhappy about it or rightly criticise another awful performance.

It is the lowest ebb for many in our supporting days in terms of position, results and performances so understandably reactions and reports are going to be less than positive.
 
What frustrated me most tonight was our total lack of basic football skills. I'm talking about being able to control a ball with their first touch (or even second), the ability to play a simple short pass accurately along the ground, run whilst keeping control of the ball, crossing a ball etc. For professional footballers some of them should be embarrassed at their inability to do the basics. They could do with a spell with the academy coaches at under 10 level to be taught these simple techniques.

It's a very good point. Last night I went to watch Sheffield FC in a cup game, and everyone on show could control a ball, at speed and often with a man closing them down. What was also apparent was that they all gave a shit - it was nice to watch a game where money has no influence whatsoever.
 
The fact Clough was happy with a point against Walsall (a side prob with nowhere near our wage bill) says it all but is where we are at sadly. Does not mean we cannot be unhappy about it or rightly criticise another awful performance.

It is the lowest ebb for many in our supporting days in terms of position, results and performances so understandably reactions and reports are going to be less than positive.

The club is at rock-bottom due to a perfect storm of selling key players, hiring bad managers and signing even worse players. We have to accept where we are and show patience to the people trying to remedy the situation (namely Clough and even the players). If Nigel Clough keeps us from being relegated that achievement shouldn't be understated. So far, he has shown he can make a bunch of shit players difficult to beat even if they are lacking any ability going forward. A step in the right direction and also a good reflection of his coaching staff.
 
Coady on the right is just never going to be a threat. It's the equivalent of playing Doyle on the left.

The key thing to address for Clough was making us harder to beat, and we've done that in the last couple of games so we're moving in the right direction. If we can keep that and become more of an attacking threat, then we should be able to get out of trouble. We really need to find a way to get our more creative players like Cuvelier, Baxter in the team and creating some chances though, especially at home.

I thought Walsall looked a good side and moved the ball around well, but from speaking to their fans and reading their opinions on forums it seems they weren't at the races. Make no mistake, we are right in the mix for relegation.
 
Its getting a regular habit after games to begin a post with "Phew, where do I start"......
This one is no different....
I guess DB's opener and subsequent replies/opinions pretty much contain some of what I feel about last night. Which is..
  • We are truly shite.
  • Clough is on the right track playing as we are in an effort to get some points on the board.
  • Hill was outstanding at centre back (surely even Sitters agrees on that one? :))
  • Porter was by far the best forward (for us), subtle hold up and good work in air plus he worked his arse off.
  • Miller was a pale shadow of what we believe he is.
  • McGinn confirmed what I've always thought he was last night (distinctly average and weak), despite one or two having erections about him recently.
  • Coady is destined for a career in Div 1 0r 2
  • Aidy White is poor defensively and headless down chicken going forward. Sadly failed to live up to his early career potential
  • Lappin needs to be on set piece delivery when possible
  • We need reinforcements badly!
  • My ambition for this season is avoid relegation (how sad!)
  • I'm gearing myself up to be bored shitless every week from hereon but if we get the required points, I'll live with it.
  • And finally, (one for Pommps and a few more) booing is pointless and counter productive ;)
 

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