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Assuming we don't go up this season, which is looking increasingly more likely........who would you like to see in/out at the lane, bearing in mind the current financial situation etc.

Please note:- This is not a negative thread as I am still living in hope, its just to get people's views and opinions on the future of the club.

In the event of another season in the CCC my outs would be;

Kevin Blackwell - only if we don't make it to the PO - fair I think
Ched Evans - not cutting it IMO
James Harper - don't want him to go but he's on decent wages
Gary Naysmith - see Harper
Ryan France - why in the first place?
Ian Bennett - past it
Also, any loan players unless signed permanently

My ins;
Mark Robins - if we can afford the compo, probably not
Brian Stock - heard good things, seen a bit
Adam Le Fondre - with a bit of polishing could step up
Lloyd Sam - out of contract at Charlton, very lively winger
Frazer Richardson - If charlton stay down, a good cheap option at RB
Billy Sharp - got to be better than Ched no matter what
Kyel Reid - lets give him a proper chance
Elliott Ward - always looks decent, out on loan atm
Hugo Colace - looks great for Barnsley

Other than the manager maybe, they all look affordable. I think we would have a reasonable team with that lot. Just my thoughts. I realise most if not all of the above wont happen but I thought this would start some debate and a show of opinion.

UTB
 



I would retain Kenny on greatly reduced terms and bring in a young understudy (this means shipping out Benno).

At full back I would release Geary (with a heavy heart) and Naysmith, both for wage savings.
I would play France and Taylor (this is assumong Hoof is still manager and so I won't be watching), otherwise if we have a new manager I would like him to bring a couple of full backs with him.

I would retain Morgan and try and get Seipp permanently. At least one CB for cover required.

I would retain Williamson, Harper and Quinn in midfield and add a replacement for Monty.

I would retain Yeates and get another wide man to play the other flank. I would retain Little as a last 20 minute impact sub.

I would keep Evans, Ward, Cresswell and Sharp (or add another forward if Hoof hangs on), moving on Henderson and Camara.

I would start the season:

Kenny
New RB
New LB
Morgan
Seipp
Yeates
Williamson
Harper
New winger
Evans
Ward

subs. keeper, taylor, new cb, Quinn, Little, Sharp, Cresswell
 
Assuming we don't go up (which is a pretty damn good assumption at the moment!) i'd like to ses us:

Step Blackwell to one side and thank him for keeping us 'steady' in these past few disruptive years of change, allowing Sam Ellis to quickly follow suit.

Revert back to the plan to revolutionise SUFC as a modern-thinking, progressive and positive football club, namely by apointing a new manager who has some experience and past form in building attacking, progressive, attractive sides without the need to spend millions (Southgate - who despite spending a fair bit and being a relative failure at Boro, was harshly done imo, and will have learned a lot from his time there, and every time I have heard him speak has really impressed me with his views and tactics, otherwise someone like the usual suspects Coppell, O'Driscoll, Lee Clarke? etc)

The last of the big earners will see their contracts expire i.e. Naysmith and Speed (and unless they accept massively reduced terms i'd have to let them go even though i like both Gary as a player and think Speed, given time and experience could be a potential future manager), and i'd also offer much reduced terms to Monty (who i love but like many of our squad, are overpaid inmho, and we have to re-evaluate their value in terms of a more appropriate wages/quality ratio), likewise Camara, Harper, Quinn (although i believe he's just re-newed) and Geary (pay as you play).

I'd let go Hendo, Quinn (if we goet any sort of decent bids for them), Taylor, Reid, Little, France, Bennett, Fortune, Stewart.

Of the loanees I imagine Bunn, Nosworthy and Bartley will return, but i'd offer modest deals for Kallio and Seip.

That would leave a basic squad (barring sales and including Kallio and Seip) of something like (i imagine):

Paddy
Aksulu
Geary
Morgan
Seip
Kallio
Yeates
Willo
Harper
Quinn
Ward
Hendo
Cresswell
Camara
Ched
Sharp

I'd sell one of the strikers (unless Camara goes then retain the others) and we'd then need two new full backs for first choice right back and second choice left back (could just about keep hold of Taylor for that but even that would be a stretch for me), a 1st choice/backup centre half (would Nosworthy sign permo on reduced terms?), more midfield cover and possibly a backup keeper.

Most importantly however, is a manager who is willing to transform us, on a budget, play more progressive and pro-active football, and someone willing to try and get the best from clearly talented but underperforming players who are either unsettled or unhappy with the status quo, or not suiting to our current tactics/style of play.

There is no reason why the likes of Harper, Ched and Sharp can not play in such a system when they have shown their abilities elsewhere.

Likewise make best use of the likes of Hendo, Cresswell, Yeates and Williamson (especially) who are good players who could be much better in the right circumstances.

Most importantly we have to solve the problem of building a new defence to a standard which we saw in our "usually solid" back four in the last few seasons - a big ask when 4 of the possible key players in that defence have now gone (naughton, walker, naysmith, killa).

There is no need to go spending millions, and a reduced budget should not mean (nor should be used as an excuse for) underachieving. Swansea, Leicester, Cardiff (post-Chopra), WBA, Wolves, Stoke, Burnley etc have all succeeded without spending millions upon millions, but instead wheeling and dealing astutely and searching for up and coming or unknown/foreign potential a la Doyle, Kightly, Ebanks-Blake, Bodde, Rangel, Pratley, Koren, etc etc - there is no reason why we should not (under the right guidance and management) do the same!

all my humble opinion anyway!

UTB!
 
OK, assuming we don't go up, which we won't because we're shite, why on earth would anybody want to sign for us?

When we had money, and the chairman was spinning his bullshit about us being ambitious, we were hardly inundated with an influx of good players and big signings. Now we're skint, with a crap manager, a piss poor squad and a declining fan base, I wouldn't waste a single second compiling lists of ins and outs if I were you because it's pissing in the wind, pure and simple.

We don't buy good players, we don't keep decent players, we're a small club with a small clubs approach, get used to it, things will never change.

:gallop:

Oh and as to...

"Revert back to the plan to revolutionise SUFC as a modern-thinking, progressive and positive football club"

We never were one mate, you were conned.
 
OK, assuming we don't go up, which we won't because we're shite, why on earth would anybody want to sign for us?

When we had money, and the chairman was spinning his bullshit about us being ambitious, we were hardly inundated with an influx of good players and big signings. Now we're skint, with a crap manager, a piss poor squad and a declining fan base, I wouldn't waste a single second compiling lists of ins and outs if I were you because it's pissing in the wind, pure and simple.

We don't buy good players, we don't keep decent players, we're a small club with a small clubs approach, get used to it, things will never change.

:gallop:

Oh and as to...

"Revert back to the plan to revolutionise SUFC as a modern-thinking, progressive and positive football club"

We never were one mate, you were conned.

And the winner, of most dower post of the year goes to...............

Can't say I disagree with what you're saying though :(
 
Disregarding the current level of performance i have to say that a midfield of Ward, Harper, Williamson and Yeates looks to be as strong a combination as we have had for many a year to me.

Obviously we would need Williamson to reach and maintain his maximum fitness level and Harper would have to recapture the form he showed in his Reading days.

It's just disappointing that now we finally have a midfield that looks as though it could do the business, we look weak in every other area of the pitch.
 
Disregarding the current level of performance i have to say that a midfield of Ward, Harper, Williamson and Yeates looks to be as strong a combination as we have had for many a year to me.

Obviously we would need Williamson to reach and maintain his maximum fitness level and Harper would have to recapture the form he showed in his Reading days.

It's just disappointing that now we finally have a midfield that looks as though it could do the business, we look weak in every other area of the pitch.

Agree except Monty for Harper, he's cheaper and a better player in my opinion.

I'd look to shift out some of the older squad players and bring in youngsters.

Ward, Monty, Williamson and Yeates is a handful in midfield.

Morgan and Kenny are an excellent spine.

Evans, Hederson, Sharp and AN Other up front.

I think if we retain those players we'll still have a top 8 squad.
 
Kevin Blackwell - only if we don't make it to the PO - fair I think
Ched Evans - not cutting it IMO
James Harper - don't want him to go but he's on decent wages
Gary Naysmith - see Harper
Ryan France - why in the first place?
Ian Bennett - past it
Also, any loan players unless signed permanently

My ins;
Mark Robins - if we can afford the compo, probably not
Brian Stock - heard good things, seen a bit
Adam Le Fondre - with a bit of polishing could step up
Lloyd Sam - out of contract at Charlton, very lively winger
Frazer Richardson - If charlton stay down, a good cheap option at RB
Billy Sharp - got to be better than Ched no matter what
Kyel Reid - lets give him a proper chance
Elliott Ward - always looks decent, out on loan atm
Hugo Colace - looks great for Barnsley

UTB

I think if we got a new manager then Ched would be a better bet than Sharp, maybe we should swap them and send ched to Donny to see how he does with a different style of play.

As for Brian Stock i hear good things but isnt he coompletely injury prone, last thing we need is a key player who only plays a quater of the season.

For me Williamson is the man to build a team around, he looks class and seems to make all the players around him play better more thoughtfull football.
 
Agree except Monty for Harper, he's cheaper and a better player in my opinion.

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Morgan and Kenny are an excellent spine.

I definately agree that Morgan and Kenny provide us with the foundations of a solid deffence; perhaps will see a player from the academy take one of the vacant full back spots.

I have to disagree with regards to Monty in the middle. I would certainly keep Monty at the club, for games where we would need to pack the middle of the park, but i would prefer someone with more ability on the ball as first choice.
 
OK, assuming we don't go up, which we won't because we're shite, why on earth would anybody want to sign for us?...
...Oh and as to..."Revert back to the plan to revolutionise SUFC as a modern-thinking, progressive and positive football club"...We never were one mate, you were conned.

Well aren't you a little ray of sunshine!? :p ;) :)

Well whats the point then? If no one decent will ever sign for us (which is rubbish btw), why don't we all just give up now? Is it not the case that clubs and players can improve together? If not then how do players who sign for small clubs end up signing for bigger clubs - improvement perhaps!? - This is where we need to be more astute - signing players who we can improve and who can improve us - not necessarilly signing quality players for big money. Take Blackpool, Donny, Swansea etc who sign players capable of improving (much like Ward has with us).

As for the "we never were one, you were conned" bit - i never said we were - i said we should revert back to the plan to become one! Which is what we set as a strategy after relegation - before then making the biggest mistake in our recent history in appointing Robson as manager! - Doesn't necessarily make the original plan a bad one, just means we implemented it wrongly! I was all for the plan to evolve the club, and bring in a fresh, modern, positive thinking manager with some charisma and confidence in driving us forward, playing a passing style of football - its just that Robinson then nudged and tricked McCabe into thinking this man was a certain Bryan Robson - despite all the possible evidence suggesting otherwise!!

I think if we got a new manager then Ched would be a better bet than Sharp, maybe we should swap them and send ched to Donny to see how he does with a different style of play.

As for Brian Stock i hear good things but isnt he coompletely injury prone, last thing we need is a key player who only plays a quater of the season.

For me Williamson is the man to build a team around, he looks class and seems to make all the players around him play better more thoughtfull football.

Agree, if we got in someone like O'Driscoll or someone with a similar belief in style etc, I could well see both Ched and Billy succeeding at BDTBL - unfortunately, under current and past styles and management, we have not been in a situation to be able to see this for these sort of players - which is why i'd love to see someone with a track history of playing good football, manage some of the players at our disposal, and bring in others (like he has at Donny, and other managers have elsewhere - even on a limited budget), to play the way we all wish to see.

That, for me, definitely means retaining Williamson (who i rate as the best 'footballer' in our squad, and as one of the best box-to-box midfielders in the division when fit), and keeping the likes of Sharp, Ched, Camara, Yeates, Ward and Harper - all of whom i feel would suite such a style of play and have either proven this or shown glimpses of doing so at both United and past clubs!

There is no reason why we cannot transform this club into playing the type of football we all dream of seeing - and any sort of budget or reduction in resources should not be an excuse - it isn't (and hasn't been) for many other clubs, so neither should it be an essential pre-requisite for United!!!

UTB!
 
:gallop:
There is no reason why we cannot transform this club into playing the type of football we all dream of seeing - and any sort of budget or reduction in resources should not be an excuse - it isn't (and hasn't been) for many other clubs, so neither should it be an essential pre-requisite for United!!!

There's every reason we can't transform this club into all of the above. One of the reason's is that you and other starry eyed supporters live in some kind of utopic dream world where failures of the past mean nothing, where we can lose a play off final and you'll still be excited on the coach back to Sheffield about prospective signings for the following season. You're too gullible mate, you still believe the bollocks, despite the facts proving quite the opposite to the "Europe in 5 years" crap.

It's pretty laughable the way there's talk of getting Robbins, O'Driscoll or that bloke from Leeds in. Why on earth would they want to come to a club with no cash, no ambition and a piss poor squad?

FFS, it's time some of you leapt into the real world and took stock of just how bad things are at the Lane. We're heading one way ladies, and that isn't up.

:gallop:
 
its just that Robinson then nudged and tricked McCabe into thinking this man was a certain Bryan Robson - despite all the possible evidence suggesting otherwise!!

Suggesting????

Unless your definition includes, "writing something down in huge capital letters on a sheet of wallpaper, nailing it to a piece of 2 × 4 and hitting someone over the head with it", I would 'suggest' you need another word.
 



As for Brian Stock i hear good things but isnt he coompletely injury prone, last thing we need is a key player who only plays a quater of the season.

For me Williamson is the man to build a team around, he looks class and seems to make all the players around him play better more thoughtfull football.

I couldn't agree more with the last paragraph.

However, can't help thinking anyone thinking of taking him off us could replace Brian Stock with Lee Williamson in the para directly above.
 
Assuming we don't go up (which is a pretty damn good assumption at the moment!) i'd like to ses us:...----...all my humble opinion anyway!

UTB!

Lucid? Reasonable? Balanced? Good sentence construction, grammar, spelling...?

Oh my God!!! What have you done with Beighton...??????? :D



Anyway. One name I'd definately like us to have a try for is George Boyd of Peterborough. Wouldn't be a big cash deal, in my view. Less than Naysmiths wages anyhow...
 
Lucid? Reasonable? Balanced? Good sentence construction, grammar, spelling...?

Oh my God!!! What have you done with Beighton...??????? :D

Thank you (I think), but despite the obvious dissapointment this might cause, i'm not THAT beightonblade (note the underscore and caps!) - used to post on BU as Beighton_Blade and carried on over here and on BM (grrr) for continuity without knowing the existing member on here known by the same name!

There's every reason we can't transform this club into all of the above. One of the reason's is that you and other starry eyed supporters live in some kind of utopic dream world where failures of the past mean nothing, where we can lose a play off final and you'll still be excited on the coach back to Sheffield about prospective signings for the following season. You're too gullible mate, you still believe the bollocks, despite the facts proving quite the opposite to the "Europe in 5 years" crap.

No there isn't!! Any sort of acceptance of failure being pre-destined simply highlights what makes you just as much as a problem as anyone who believes improvement is possible - and yes past failures are (and always will be) irrelevant to any possible future success a club can have - if this wasn't the case then why do clubs such as Wigan, Burnley, Fulham rise the leagues in such a way if not without improvement? Conversely if you accept failure is based on history then why do formerly successful clubs dip (a la Leeds etc) - because of their deterioration and other clubs' improvement!!

Now, im not one of your "starry eyed" supporters who was able to be positive after last seasons no-show at Wembley - I was distraught, wanted KB out and foresaw the innevitable negative effects this season has seen, however, i also did not blame the failure on something as simple as destiny based on past failures - if you truely believe that then i fear for you - if you can accept failure so easily as saying well "hmm...not our fault...its destined...cos we're crap and always have been" then i trust you have no desire for SUFC betterred? past failures as an excuse are simply that - an excuse for failure and a way of making yourself feel better for doing such - as opposed to examining your own (or in this case SUFC's) downfalls.

Thats what i see, an opportunity to assess where we are going wrong, and how to possibly improve (im not saying these will happen, i'm saying thats what should imho!), to critique our current position and suggest how other clubs have done better - if you believe this is pointless then i'd suggest you never attempt to take control or manage any sort of business - which is what McCabe, Birch et al should be doing!

Regarding my gullibility, you clearly have no idea about my beliefs, ideas, knowledge or feelings towards SUFC, i understand fully the talk and bluster which is the PR machine at the club and take it with the pinch of salt it requires, i accept that sport will always have winners, and likewise losers, but know that its not impossible for those roles to reverse and accept no reasons why it shouldn't (unlike you it seems who accepts failure becuase "we're crap...have no money...ambition...and have a poor squad"

It's pretty laughable the way there's talk of getting Robbins, O'Driscoll or that bloke from Leeds in. Why on earth would they want to come to a club with no cash, no ambition and a piss poor squad?

Then why the hell do good managers sometimes go to such clubs in the first place? - Robbins (at Barnsley ffs!) would not be interested in us - rubbish, they have less cash, ambition and players than us - but he's there - why if what you say is true?

Like it or not (and i think you don't like it for reasons which make me question your purpose on here), but we are a big club in this division, with good support, good facilities - yes we have little money (but nor does 99% of this league), and only a few decent players - but there should always be potential to improve this club, and for you to question that makes you just as negative as i predict you'd criticise Blackwell for being when he makes excuses for our current plight like injuries and no cash etc etc - why do Donny and Barnsley perform similarly, Swansea, Leicester and Blackpool better on lesser budgets if cash is the only determinator of success?

If your so willing to accept failure for these excuses i'd suggest that makes you as gullable as anyone here for accepting, so lightly, the failure of this club for such flimsy and ill-thought excuses, when other clubs consistently succeed while having such excuses available shows a sort of negativity which would stop any club ever improving itself.

FFS, it's time some of you leapt into the real world and took stock of just how bad things are at the Lane. We're heading one way ladies, and that isn't up.

I'm not suggesting which way we're heading, or if we are destined for failure (doooomed i tell ya!) - im suggesting ways we can improve, and why we should not accept failure or a deterioration, and the reasons why i feel certain measures should be taken to see us improve - whether the club acts in such a way i don't know (but seriously doubt), but that doesn't mean that success isn't possible and that this club could not be improved given the correct management. For me this means getting a new boss in, one who can operate astutely on a budget, acquiring players capable of improving yet who improve us, and looking to make full advantage of our academy and our existing players who some of are not achieving as they could imho (Ched, Sharp etc) under a different style and manager...

What would you suggest? Give up and accept failure because we always do?....pffft!!

UTB!!
 
Thank you (I think), but despite the obvious dissapointment this might cause, i'm not THAT beightonblade (note the underscore and caps!) - used to post on BU as Beighton_Blade and carried on over here and on BM (grrr) for continuity without knowing the existing member on here known by the same name!

That explains it! To be fair, now I know there's two of you, I dont think it will be too dificult to work out which one of you has posted...
 
I would like to see us retain most of the players in the midfield and attack as the last two home games have given me some belief that they are capable of producing some good attacking football but our defence should be the part of the team that needs the rebuild.

With the idea of having two players competing for each posittion i would retain the following players

GK Kenny + Aksalu
RB France
LB Taylor
CB Morgan + Seip + Fortune
RM Ward + Little
LM Yeates + Reid
CM Williamson + Monty + Quinn
CF Camara + Creswell + Evans + Sharp

So i would like us to buy a first choice right and left back, a back up centre back and back up central midfielder.
 

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