The disallowed 'goal'

[haich1889]

Brilliant post mate. I never celebrated a goal like that before. I went crazy with my 2 daughters (never been to a match together before), turned to my mates lad who had tears in his eyes and had time to look 6 seats along where my nephew was showing massive relief because it was 2 -0. A man 5 rows down was in the aisle on his knees looking up & shouting 'thank you.'
I don't think anybody would have been too bothered if it was dis-allowed straight away BUT 3/4 mins was cruel beyond anything I have ever witnessed. There was no appeal from Sunderland players, the scoreboard changed, goal announced over the PA system, players finished celebrating & Sunderland were readying themselves to kick off.
My son-in-law a Man U fan texted saying he didn't think it was offside, my dad also watching on tv said it wasn't offside. How, as you say, was this 'CLEAR & OBVIOUS'???
I believe, however, was to allow a narcissistic referee the opportunity to make history. He took 15 seconds, looking at a portable sized screen to see what the experts couldn't in 2 -3 minutes & boy did he love making that announcement!??? There way he strode on the pitch & waited for his audience to quite down, pure theatre!!!

 

[haich1889]

This was more about the ref having his me me me look at me make history moment & listen to my voice over the system & millions of households.
This is my moment & f##k everyone else. Who on earth came up with this idea is beyond me. The chance to make history & be heard by millions round the World or simply confirm a goal. No brainer for those who love to be hated anyway.

 

[haich1889]

Not going on a campaign against the officials it was a marginal call but it was so important and deserves a thread of it's own.

Do people thing it was right it was disallowed?

 

[haich1889]

It was a straightforward decision.

Their defenders came out of the six yard box fast. Our front two didn't. And Campbell was in the eyeline of the keeper.

 

[haich1889]

Really??

 

[haich1889]

If we must have VAR, let's just have it for undisputed factual errors - ball over the line, player scoring was offside, trip was inside the box etc.

Where there's any element of subjective judgement, refs decision should be final.

I have heard this since it's conception. Nothing changes. If anything Saturday showed it's worse.

 

[haich1889]

Again, I think that's a slight misreading, or possibly bad wording - I don't think it means that in some circumstances you can obstruct the opponent's line of vision but not affect their ability to play the ball. I think it's saying that the obstructing of the line of vision is the thing that intrinsically prevents the opponent being able to play the ball (always).

Either way, in practice if a player is standing virtually on the keeper's toes, temporarily blocking his view as a shot is coming in, you've got a hard task arguing he wasn't involved in play.

He wasn't though & you used the word think a lot. I have never heard think, might, could, possibly, arguably, if, might have ... etc etc used as much in 1 week, ever.

 

[haich1889]

That's not true. You can be in the line of vision at a given time and not affect the players ability to play the ball. If the keeper has absolutely no chance of getting to the shot the it's a goal.

Extreme example but if the keeper is well out of position after a deflected ball falls to a striker, he then blasts it into a near empty net but a player is offside between him and the keeper, the goal still stands.

The ref decided that Vini making that move clearly prevented the keeper from making a play at the ball. Again it's subjective but I'd say it's a goal.

How did he clarify all that in about 15seconds on a laptop???

 

[haich1889]

It’s a goal, and it’s game over.

Split second decisions on peripheral vision is a nonsense.

Anyone agreeing with the decision is enabling the decimation of our game.

For the past 150 years it’s a goal, not now.

When a ref is given a choice between being remembered in Hustory for the 1st ref to make this announcement to 85 000 + the world or not: there was no way he gave anything different. One man & an ego the size of Sunderland wasn't going to turn that down.