Sunderland have sold out their allocation

[Booker4]

The issue is that in the North East you're competing with Newcastle United. An absolute mainstay of Premier League football. The team that broke all records to buy Shearer for £15 million.

So yeah I agree we have more competition in terms of micky mouse clubs like Rotherham, Chesterfield, Doncaster, Barnsley, Pigs. But we're not completely overshadowed by a major club like Newcastle either. That's where Sunderland really shine competing with that.

It does make me wonder though.. if teams like Rotherham and Doncaster ceased to be, how many of them would decide to follow us or the pigs instead?

With respect mate, I'd disagree on the post on Newcastle. Yes they're a huge club but they've only just won their first trophy (League Cup) in 65 years. Fans support their team generation after generation passed down irrespective of success. Yes there's always those that dont have family who supported a team and they can choose who they like, which is what I had back in 1988, but Sunderland have a huge area to draw from population wise, such as into to Durham which is a fair distance from Newcastle. Sunderland fans can say they've been crap for years but in my lifetime Sunderland have had long periods in the top flight and they won the cup in 1974.

Sunderland spent most of the PL era up there with Newcastle until they were relegated in 2016.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Was that the 1-1 game in 88 or 89?

mid 90’s.

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

Just been on sunderlands site still a demand for tickets ,# sold out...many are going down the corporate route, after that theres onl 1 option left
Utd wont not sell there tickets ,,, it looks bad for many reasons

How do you expect Sunderland fans will get our tickets? Our fans selling to them? Why would they do that?

 

[itsinyerblood]

Sunderland are a one club city. Imagine if the Blades were the only club in Sheffield?
The levels of support would go through the roof, but because Sheffield has two professional
clubs we attract far fewer supporters than S'land.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Sunderland are a bigger club. Is what it is. They're not miles away from us, but they're a level up in terms of support and history.

Looking at attendances in the mid-80’s, completely different and pointless as its shit loads more inclusive now, ith a focus on family orientated experiences, that's why attendances have freon we've had for the last 30 years.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Imagine if the Blades were the only club in Sheffield?
The levels of support would go through the roof, but because Sheffield has two professional
clubs we attract far fewer supporters than S'land.

I imagine it often. I would like it. I get people liking the rivalry with our grunting brethren, but that would quite seamlessly switch to Leeds.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Sunderland are a one club city. Imagine if the Blades were the only club in Sheffield?
The levels of support would go through the roof, but because Sheffield has two professional
clubs we attract far fewer supporters than S'land.

Prefer that were a 2 club city. Especially, as in terms of stature we yo-yo and are similar than we want to admit.

 

[Dkc]

Sunderland are a one club city. Imagine if the Blades were the only club in Sheffield?
The levels of support would go through the roof, but because Sheffield has two professional
clubs we attract far fewer supporters than S'land.

Sunderland is part of the Tyne and Wear metro area with a population of 1.1 million. The distance between Roker and St James' park is ten miles. There's a metro system connecting the two. It's one of the fiercest local derbies in UK football. They are separate cities on paper but but in reality they are a team in a large conurbation like eg Wolves.

 

[Jon Bon II]

It would work exactly the same. The matchday experience is still shit for 10k on the kop with outside concourses etc. The only stand with adequate facilities is the John Street and that was built nearly 30 years ago now.

I'm not saying we should or I want us to, but if we did move to a new all purpose 40k stadium with proper facilities, proper space between rows in seating, a decent rake, no posts, no restricted view tickets, and ease of entry, exit etc... we'd easily increase average home crowds by up to 5k (plus 3k dedicated away section).

Plus with all new corporate facilities etc, that side would also increase revenue.

I do love Bramall Lane, but at 6ft 2, I can't sit on the Kop or JSS and to some extent the SS... there's just not enough leg room. The only place I can go comfortably is the Upper Tier, and that's because of the huge rake rather than the space on rows.

It's a bit selfish, isn't it? Wanting us to move out of the home of football and a ground high on the list of other supporters favourite grounds, and move to a soulless bowl, just because you don't have enough leg room in two of the four stands you can sit in. Sheesh.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Sunderland is part of the Tyne and Wear metro area with a population of 1.1 million. The distance between Roker and St James' park is ten miles. There's a metro system connecting the two. It's one of the fiercest local derbies in UK football. They are separate cities on paper but but in reality they are a team in a large conurbation like eg Wolves.

In principle you're right Dkc, but football's also about emotions and allegiance, so what makes anyone choose to support
one specific club is down to a set of variables.

 

[Inter_blade83]

It's a bit selfish, isn't it? Wanting us to move out of the home of football and a ground high on the list of other supporters favourite grounds, and move to a soulless bowl, just because you don't have enough leg room in two of the four stands you can sit in. Sheesh.

Quite the opposite. Knock it down, rotate it, and build one at Brammallllllll lane

 

[The Crab]

Here are Sheffield United's average attendances:

England historical attendance and performance

I dont see any average attendance of over 40000 at Sheffield United and barely see one over 30000.

there are a few too many football clubs fans who take the piss out of Sunderland's attendances, 6th highest second tier attendance in the entire European continent - and yet when their average attendances are exposed it doesn't look so great for those clubs then - does it?

Here's a one about Leeds United - did you know they have never had an average attendance of over 40000 in their entire history, even when their ground held that many. In the third division their fans deserted them and the highest average attendance they got was 26,000. Sunderland averaged over 30000 in league 1. Ironically LUFC got their highest ever attendance against....Sunderland.

So sunderland's average attendances this season are higher than both Leeds United and Sheffield United has ever had in their entire history.

If you want to take the piss out of Sunderland's crowds then fine - but we will make sure you have the context and the facts first.

there was never any need for this disrespectful conversation was there?

all you had to say was that Sunderland get canny crowds and leave it at that.

the entire championship - every club - could only dream of getting 46000 plus in their ground and 40000 attendances averages.

Maybe it’s passed me by but I’m not sure anyone is taking the piss out of you guys mate

 

[Eyeball]

That includes Rotherham so that takes 'our' average attendance to 65k.

The point stands that their crowds are phenomenal but it's a one club city and we have a lot more pro clubs in close proximity than they do in Wednesday, Rotherham, Barnsley, Chesterfield and Donny

You forgot Barnsley???

 

[Silent Blade]

With respect mate, I'd disagree on the post on Newcastle. Yes they're a huge club but they've only just won their first trophy (League Cup) in 65 years. Fans support their team generation after generation passed down irrespective of success. Yes there's always those that dont have family who supported a team and they can choose who they like, which is what I had back in 1988, but Sunderland have a huge area to draw from population wise, such as into to Durham which is a fair distance from Newcastle. Sunderland fans can say they've been crap for years but in my lifetime Sunderland have had long periods in the top flight and they won the cup in 1974.

Sunderland spent most of the PL era up there with Newcastle until they were relegated in 2016.

Newcastle won their first trophy in 56 years and Sunderland won the FA Cup in 1973.

 

[Pegster]

Newcastle won their first trophy in 56 years and Sunderland won the FA Cup in 1973.

Aye , Newcastle won a European trophy in 1969 , the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup .

 

[Frank the tank]

Everton will be the latest example of that.

They've messed up with their capacity
They have waiting lists for season tickets of 34000 and many more who have given up.hope of getting one

 

[Frank the tank]

I always think of sunlan as being a similar kind of club to us
Yes they get bigger crowds but i think in the same way I think palace are our southern equivalent there are a lot of parallels between us and them

 

[SRBlade]

I always think of sunlan as being a similar kind of club to us
Yes they get bigger crowds but i think in the same way I think palace are our southern equivalent there are a lot of parallels between us and them

Post war that's accurate.

Sunderland had their hayday in the early 1900s.

They get big crowds in the same way Palace and the likes of Fulham get smaller crowds, catchment area.

 

[jt64]

Sunderland are a bigger club. Is what it is. They're not miles away from us, but they're a level up in terms of support and history.

Looking at attendances in the mid-80’s, completely different and pointless as its shit loads more inclusive now, ith a focus on family orientated experiences, that's why attendances have freon we've had for the last 30 years.

Indeed. You could make the same attendance points about, say, Newcastle

 

[Jon Bon II]

Quite the opposite. Knock it down, rotate it, and build one at Brammallllllll lane

The Simms isn't real life you know. Actually, it might be, if you know what I mean? It's an interesting hypothesis. That we live in a simulation, not that we can twirl the ground around on a whim. But we may be able to, if it is a simulation? Have you tried manifesting it?

 

[FriethBlade]

This is very misleading because Sunderland, and Newcastle's areas of support intermingle and spread way beyond the population of their respective named city or town in the case of Newcastle. There's 1.1m people who live in the Tyne and Wear area, but that doesn't include Northumberland (320,000) to the north and Durham (532,000) to the south where both clubs draw support from too so in total you're around 2m people to draw from with just TWO clubs!

I don't think it's therefore surprising that Sunderland gets bigger crowds than us. The Sheffield urban area which includes Rotherham is 640,000. Let's add in Stocksbridge and Dronfield at 13,000 and 21,000 respective (according to Google) you'll end up with 674,000 but of course from that figure you can deduct Rotherham's population of 265,000 as Rotherham has its own team. As for success both Sunderland have had more periods in the top flight than we have and Sunderland reached the FA cup final in 1991. Their support prior to the stadium of light was similar to ours around 15 - 22,000 average. I think all of the above considered our support is remarkable.

So you are agreeing with me

 

[Pegster]

I always think of sunlan as being a similar kind of club to us
Yes they get bigger crowds but i think in the same way I think palace are our southern equivalent there are a lot of parallels between us and them

I look forward to the day we become known as the Bank of England club