Stearman / Basham

[Dimyan93]

I like Stearman, but him and Egan are very simular so would be surprised if they both start

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I think the initial plan will be for Bash to drop out but so many times during his time with us he'a been replaced only to force his way in somewhere else. I reckon barring serious injury that Bash and Stearman will start at least 25 games each this season.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Egan is not a right footed Jack O'Connell. He isn't a fleeting, marauding right footed Franz Beckenbauer. His ability with the ball at his feet isn't that great.

He's a defender, a stopper, a kickitheadit kinda centre back and he will stop us conceding some of the soft goals we concede (WITH Stearman in the team may I add)

I'm not saying Stearman wasn't impressive last season but as a unit we didn't look particularly solid. That has to change.

Egan could play RCB but we would lose our attacking edge down that side. Stearman certainly couldn't.

Basham and Leonard are our RCB's, Egan and Stearman are our CB's.

 

[B14Nco]

Can't knock what you're saying about Bash but if we are to step forward this season, we can't be playing players who have less ability just because they leave everything on the pitch. It's a difficult one, do you play someone who is 7/8 every week ahead of someone who is probably better on their day.

This sounds harsher than I mean it too but this post sounds a bit Brentford or even dare I say it...

Leaving everything on the pitch is ability. Having an engine is ability. They’re just different attributes.

Let’s not slip into that trap of thinking just because someone’s main attributes are attitude and work rate that they’re rubbish. His main attribute is heart but Bash can pass, run with the ball etc etc.

 

[B14Nco]

For all his endeavour Bash has too many mistakes in him and lacks the quality we need to push on, I do feel a lot of the fans let his workrate and his cult hero status get in the way of seeing the floors to his game. He needs to be a squad player this season as he’s excellent cover though.

And I see it totally from the other perspective... I think a lot of fans think because he runs around a lot hes Not very good. He’s a lot more effective at RCB than what hes given credit for.

 

[stringer]

And I see it totally from the other perspective... I think a lot of fans think because he runs around a lot hes Not very good. He’s a lot more effective at RCB than what hes given credit for.

He’s quality. A utility man CM converted to RCB doesn’t have the crossing ability of David Beckham? No shit. Brings so much more to the side, especially end of last season when JOC (through no fault of his own) couldn’t run anymore

 

[I should coco]

The poll might need simplifying to:

Steerman - Egan - Bash

A little bird tells me that our increased bid for Waghorn is to be funded by JOC going to Brighton.

Don't shoot the messenger.....

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

This sounds harsher than I mean it too but this post sounds a bit Brentford or even dare I say it...

Leaving everything on the pitch is ability. Having an engine is ability. They’re just different attributes.

Let’s not slip into that trap of thinking just because someone’s main attributes are attitude and work rate that they’re rubbish. His main attribute is heart but Bash can pass, run with the ball etc etc.

You read my post to be harsher than it was meant

Of course it's a key attribute and to be fair, one I'd expect from any player pulling on the shirt. All I'm saying is that to kick on, that attribute should be a given not something people always quote as their biggest asset which seems to be the case with Bash. Of course that does him a disservice but if we're looking to improve then to me, he's the likeliest to be replaced at the moment.

 

[B14Nco]

You read my post to be harsher than it was meant

Of course it's a key attribute and to be fair, one I'd expect from any player pulling on the shirt. All I'm saying is that to kick on, that attribute should be a given not something people always quote as their biggest asset which seems to be the case with Bash. Of course that does him a disservice but if we're looking to improve then to me, he's the likeliest to be replaced at the moment.

I totally get where you’re coming from! I just think it’s not always that players are not wanting to put the effort in, they more than likely are they just don’t have it in the tank, it’s all relative to their work rate ability.

It’s why (and this is a ridiculous comparison I know but kinda makes my point) every club in the world would pay 50mill for Kante... it’s not for his heading, passing or shooting ‘quality’... it’s his energy, work rate and engine ‘quality’.

*waits for someone to miss the point and call me an idiot for comparing Bash to Kante.
**also awaits star article on why Bash is SUFCs Kante

 

[Eric Cartman]

The poll might need simplifying to:

Steerman - Egan - Bash

A little bird tells me that our increased bid for Waghorn is to be funded by JOC going to Brighton.

Don't shoot the messenger.....

No chance

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I totally get where you’re coming from! I just think it’s not always that players are not wanting to put the effort in, they more than likely are they just don’t have it in the tank, it’s all relative to their work rate ability.

It’s why (and this is a ridiculous comparison I know but kinda makes my point) every club in the world would pay 50mill for Kante... it’s not for his heading, passing or shooting ‘quality’... it’s his energy, work rate and engine ‘quality’.

*waits for someone to miss the point and call me an idiot for comparing Bash to Kante.
**also awaits star article on why Bash is SUFCs Kante

The problem with Bash, through most of his career, is that he hasn't really nailed down a particular position. Undoubtedly playing in a back 3 has suited him the the last couple of seasons but would he be 1st choice in a back 4, in midfield, probably not. Kante is a good comparison in that every team needs someone to play the unseen Dean Hammond role but normally in midfield, not the defence.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Best back three?

Christopher Paul Morgan / Edmund Peter Skirving Colquhoun / Joseph Shaw

That'll do lad, aye, that'll do.

 

[Maidenhead]

Can't see Booker getting dropped, he's a Blade, over the years he's got better, and he puts everything out there every game, he may not be the best player in the team, not the most skillfull, but he wears his heart on his sleeve, he always does his best and puts a shift in.
Wilder knows this, and I can see him being subbed every so often, but he won't be dropped, I don't think anyway.

Fixed it for you.

As far as I'm concerned Bash is as integral to the team now as Booker was then.

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

Shows how far we’ve come since CW joined us.

We all agreed Basham was one of our better players prior to promotion.

Now he’s potentially making way for a £4M championship centre-back.

Amazing.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Shows how far we’ve come since CW joined us.

We all agreed Basham was one of our better players prior to promotion.

Now he’s potentially making way for a £4M championship centre-back.

Amazing.

Exactly, progress, or presumed progress is often cruel on the players who have done so well to get you in that position. Tufty showed this last season and will do so again this season.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Interesting thread that appears more about Stearman than where Egan will fit in. It seems from the Brentford fans that Egan is a stopper. Is he
really in contention with Basham for this position? If so where does Leonard fit in on the scene?
It's Bash/Egan/JOC for me, so is the forgotten man J Wright now on the move? Egan should play v Inter WHERE he should start v Swansea, no messing mind games.

UTB

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

Stearman over Basham any day, Basham is a great utility player but shouldn't be starting over first team calibur defenders like stearman.
Either way defence looks pretty solid but I would like a better left back.

 

[Luke1993]

Interesting thread that appears more about Stearman than where Egan will fit in. It seems from the Brentford fans that Egan is a stopper. Is he
really in contention with Basham for this position? If so where does Leonard fit in on the scene?
It's Bash/Egan/JOC for me, so is the forgotten man J Wright now on the move? Egan should play v Inter WHERE he should start v Swansea, no messing mind games.

UTB

Wright got injured against Stockbridge I think, they were saying it's quite a bad one.

 

[wizadry]

Stearman over Basham any day, Basham is a great utility player but shouldn't be starting over first team calibur defenders like stearman.
Either way defence looks pretty solid but I would like a better left back.

Our system doesn’t allow for this comparison to weigh up but if Wilder changes to a 4 at the back then I can see your point. While ever we play with a 3/5 at the back Basham and Stearman can’t really be compared imo.

I agree regards your left back quote because Stevens performances dropped off alarmingly after a very good start, he needs someone of real quality to push him on.

 

[BarcaBlade]

I saw zero games live last season. but from what I did see through other means (very little before xmas and a fair bit after), Bash was not very good. I was nervous every time he was on the ball. He scored a goal against someone. Maybe Brentford. But other than that, he offered a big passionate run with a shit cross on the end. When he didn't have the ball, he offered the chance of a clumsy challenge to give away a free kick. Was that Brentford again, or maybe Bristol City?

But I could be wrong…

 

[Davalon]

Four million or not, Egan will have to earn his place on the bench in front of Wright.

 

[Stretch]

It's a tough call and I do rate Stearman but personally I would go with Bash/Egan/JOC.

Like I say, tough on our Richard but I just think Bash epitomises the heart and soul of United. Whatever he lacks in talent he replaces twice over with determination, graft and bottle.

On top of that I don't recall too many times when he looked out of place last season. A few occasions where he struggled against pace maybe but none of the back 3 really shone in that department.

At the end of the day though I won't be unhappy if Stearman gets the nod.

 

[wizadry]

I saw zero games live last season. but from what I did see through other means (very little before xmas and a fair bit after), Bash was not very good. I was nervous every time he was on the ball. He scored a goal against someone. Maybe Brentford. But other than that, he offered a big passionate run with a shit cross on the end. When he didn't have the ball, he offered the chance of a clumsy challenge to give away a free kick. Was that Brentford again, or maybe Bristol City?

But I could be wrong…

I think you could do with seeing more games, B.B. because if anything, I thought Basham got better as the season went on, although all the defence struggled with tiredness towards the end.

I’ve had many debates on here regards Bashams talents so this is coming from someone who didn’t used to rate him. It’s hard to fault his form, especially since the birth of his child.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Think we need to upgrade on Basham if we intend on getting out of the division. I love his attitude, his work rate etc. but he lacks quality. His defence is naive and he takes far too many touches, slows down our attacks and never produces anything in the way of end product. Great squad player, but need to be doing better.

Same goes for Enda Stevens.

 

[B14Nco]

Stearman over Basham any day, Basham is a great utility player but shouldn't be starting over first team calibur defenders like stearman.
Either way defence looks pretty solid but I would like a better left back.

Wha?

If Egan gets the nod in the middle Bash plays all day infrint of the stears at RCB.

Stears only plays over Bash if Egan is to play RCB.

Surely hasn’t anything to do with Calibur as a defender it’s ability in the respective position?

 

[B14Nco]

Think we need to upgrade on Basham if we intend on getting out of the division. I love his attitude, his work rate etc. but he lacks quality. His defence is naive and he takes far too many touches, slows down our attacks and never produces anything in the way of end product. Great squad player, but need to be doing better.

Same goes for Enda Stevens.

I don’t know why all the lacks quality posts have annoyed me so much... but I just don’t get why certain players get it aimed at them more than others.

What are these quality issues Bash has that our other centre backs don’t? They were all shit in the air in both boxes... I’d reckon he carried the ball more than all the others (apart from JOC) don’t really remember him looking like he was going to fall over the ball like some of the others... and I’m not convinced his distribution will have compared that badly.

I just think there is a hangover from his CM days.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

For once an interesting poll. My preference is Basham, Egan, O’Connell. That’s not to disrespect Stearman, who is good enough to fight for a place. As of today I just like Basham in that RCB slot stepping out with the ball and getting forward. He has a good range of abilities for it.

I see Stearman more as a versatile defender that can slot into any of those three roles when needed. Against certain opposition he may even be a better choice.

 

[Ricky]

Looks like we have our answer. Egan in the middle tonight, with Stearman on the bench!

Just as us intelligent fans knew.....

 

[Eric Cartman]

Egan is not a right footed Jack O'Connell. He isn't a fleeting, marauding right footed Franz Beckenbauer. His ability with the ball at his feet isn't that great.

He's a defender, a stopper, a kickitheadit kinda centre back and he will stop us conceding some of the soft goals we concede (WITH Stearman in the team may I add)

I'm not saying Stearman wasn't impressive last season but as a unit we didn't look particularly solid. That has to change.

Egan could play RCB but we would lose our attacking edge down that side. Stearman certainly couldn't.

Basham and Leonard are our RCB's, Egan and Stearman are our CB's.

Hate to say I told you so but I’m still going to anyway.

I told you so.

 

[Ricky]

Didn't see anything new from Egan tonight. But more to back up my belief that £4m is too much for him.