Some thoughts on last night

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It’s been very quiet on last night’s match so I thought I would write down a few thoughts for the benefit of those who weren’t able to go.

This will not be in the way of a report or player ratings, just my impressions of what occurred. Bear in mind that the pitch was absolutely miles away and most of the play was down the other end, so if I’ve got the wrong people I’m happy to be corrected.

First off all, it was a diabolical performance, the worst I’ve seen this season. We scored after about ten minutes and to his credit Porter slotted it away quite nicely after getting free from his man. It was our first attack. What was amazing about the goal is that at the point in the game that Porter scored we hadn’t made a single pass all game. Really, no exaggeration here, it was that scrappy. I don't think I've ever seen us score a goal without actually completing a pass.

Shortly afterwards Rotherham should have had a penalty when the ball bounced up in the area and hit Montgomery on the hand (he should have cleared it first time but seemed to want to take a touch). Porter later went through after about half an hour and hit a shot so high over the goal I’m still baffled at the trajectory of the ball. It doesn’t seem to make sense that someone running in on goal could get the ball so far away from it.

Jean-Francois started brightly with some alert interventions to stop the ball getting through to his man but rapidly began to struggle. He is all left foot, his control and distribution was poor and he never really got forwards. Cresswell was supposedly on the left (I can only assume this) but we didn’t use the wings at all and the two had no understanding. Later on in the game he started to mistime challenges and kept getting caught out of position as Rotherham found ways through our defence.

The midfield was a shambles, basically. Macdonald never got on the ball, never imposed himself and the passing we know he is capable of never materialised apart from a couple of occasions in the second half when he tried a couple of clever balls that didn’t quite come off. Montgomery was at home chasing Rotherham midfielders around as he is chasing around midfielders in higher division clubs, although at one point in the second half he made an astonishing last-ditch tackle to deny a certain goal when our entire net was gaping (to be honest I’m sort of assuming this was him – this really was bloody miles away). This is the sort of thing that only he can do. Unfortunately everything else is the sort of thing he can't do.

The central defenders looked steady although they were susceptible to the pace of Rotherham on the break. They seemed ok dealing with pressure on the edge of the box and heading things away, but struggled when players ran at them. Maguire tried a number of lofted balls over the top that came to nothing and this is a habit he really needs to break.

Long was ok in goal. He stopped at least three firmly hit shots from range that were close to his body and got a couple of punches on crosses. In the first fifteen minutes he was rolling the balls out to his defenders but we never played it out successfully from these positions or developed it meaningfully so presumably he stopped inviting pressure and began launching it upfield. His distribution needs work in this area as his kicking is not the best. Solid enough and had little chance with the goal as Rotherham were coming forwards in numbers.

Flynn was lightweight and seemed to contribute little. Another game has passed where I’ve not seen him so much as take the ball down the wing and attack the full-back. He took all the corners, every one of which was lofted into the centre of the box and headed away comfortably (the way Williamson takes them). Rotherham whipped theirs in and looked threatening from their corners, and a couple of times lofted it to the back post, which looked like a waste until you saw they had sneakily positioned a man there. We really need to work on ours.

In the second half Evans was released on the left-hand side of the box and beat Warrington from about twelve yards on the angle but his strike rebounded off the underside of the bar. Since he has never and will never score and one-on-one you sort of shrug your shoulders and don’t even mark it up as a chance.

A few times in the second half we showed total inability to work the ball from throw-ins and didn’t have the urgency to show for the ball or develop a crossing chance. Rotherham scored when a muddled attempt to get the ball into the box on one of these throws was cleared, their defenders were first to a couple of balls and in a flash they were breaking into our half with men over. It really was poor to concede on the break from an opportunity which should have been our attack.

At this point United looked to do things with more urgency but we were unable to exert any real pressure. We've all seen it when we're huffing and puffing but nothing is happening. Balls over the top were dealt with easily and we didn’t get into their box. We also gave a lot of fouls away which relieved a lot of pressure. There was no co-ordination in the passing, no rhythm, no attempt to use the flanks. Lowton only got forwards in the last ten minutes or so. Cresswell (I think?) had a golden opportunity when the ball dropped for him six yards out but instead of blasting it instinctively he tried to take a touch to control the ball and the chance was gone. This really was wretched as all he needed to do was turn the ball towards goal first time. Mendez Laing came on for Porter, showed a few decent touches and had Warrington at full-stretch to make the best save of the game from a curling effort but looked to hamstring himself when running down the line near the end.

Evans saved us when he ran at goal from the halfway line, tried to turn a defender on the edge of the box, seemed to be the beneficiary of a lucky bounce and got enough space to drill a low, left-footed strike in the corner. Good finish. Thirty seconds later he chased the ball down on the edge of the box and found himself clean though after the Rotherham defender slipped. He had acres of time and space and an option inside for a tap in. In the end he had too much time, too much to think about and ended up shooting tamely at Warrington. It was a one-on-one, bread and butter, gilt-edged chance which was tamely fluffed (it reminded me a bit of that time Jostein Flo ran through on Grobelaar, bottled the shot and squared it to an offside team-mate).

To sum up: Rotherham can feel aggrieved. Their movement and passing was better than ours, especially in the second half. They seem to have a couple of pacy, strong attacking players who in small stretches showed out defenders up a bit. Some nice diagonal balls along the ground in the second half got behind our full-backs. They also got to the byline a lot more than we did. Ryan Cresswell was dominant in the air for them at the back and a particularly strong tackler.

As for us, we were slow and uncoordinated. Passing was uniformly shocking throughout and there didn’t seem any method to our play. Ball and ground were rarely acquainted. There were a lot of aimless balls over the top and into channels which produced nothing of note. We failed to find much space or use the width of the pitch. Overall we couldn’t have complained if we had been knocked out.

Andy Scott said ‘we played some excellent stuff against a very good side.’ On this evidence he was only half-right.
 



Not overly impressed then Secret. I can't comment as I wasn't there last night, but surely you can find some positives!
 
Agree with pretty much all that Secret. Why have we starting hitting the ball long again?
It was just like a performance from last season, the only difference being that we won.
 
Agree with pretty much all that Secret. Why have we starting hitting the ball long again?
It was just like a performance from last season, the only difference being that we won.

I don't suppose it helps playing a centre forward at left midfield/wing. This then probably encourages the long ball as this (heading on) is one of the few relative strengths Creswell has.
 
Not overly impressed then Secret. I can't comment as I wasn't there last night, but surely you can find some positives!

I'm left scratching my head for positives, Tidz. If there had been 6 minutes of injury time and not 7, we could have well gone out on penalties to a lower division team and we could have had no complaints despite fielding our strongest team (Quinny excepted).

We only seem to be able to make chances with a ball over the top. We can't get behind teams any other way. Rotherham semed to have a lot of space in midfield and we seemed to struggle for it.

I said that Porter took his goal well but he put a similar chance when he was clear on goal into orbit, so you wonder whether it was a bit of a fluke. He didn't do anything else before he was subbed so perhaps he has booked his place in the team for the derby?

Evans was pretty good, I think. When I have seen him this year he has looked quite alert and more likely to make things happen himself rather than wait for things as he used to. His link up play is good but he fluffs his lines too often. He cannot score one-on-ones to save his life but they should be his meat and drink. It was a good goal he scored, which was practically out of nothing, all his own work.

I don't have any complaints about Macdonald's effort. He tried to close people down and make challenges but for some reason he couldn't get on the ball. When you combine that with Montgomery's inadequate distribution and anonymous contributions from Cresswell and Flynn it pretty much takes our entire midfield out of the equation. On reflection, no wonder we reverted to the ball over the top/diagonals down the channels.

The main positive is that we won. I have nothing against this competition and I don't mind progressing in it. There's no shame in it. It's good to win games.

I will say that a lot of people who were there made the point that we weren't playing the same way as we started the season.
 
I don't think we should read too much into a JPT game - it was like a pre-season friendly played on a poor pitch. I'm struggling to think of any impressive performances in early rounds of cups versus small club opposition. It's usually a case of just getting through because you have better players.
 
Not overly impressed then Secret. I can't comment as I wasn't there last night, but surely you can find some positives!

One positive is we're 360 minutes away from Wembley. I've put the kiss of death on us by pencilling the 25th March into my diary ;-)
 
It really was dire. Dont think the lack of atmospere helped. Did find it funny when they were singing Sheffield is full of shit and sheffields a shithole. Where do they play again?

I thought Flynn did ok myself although no one stood out as the Man of the match for me. Shame NML got injured as he looked better than he has when he came on
 
Rovrum

Thanks for the report secretchief. Could not make last night but some interesting and worrying stuff.

Just hope we can raise it versus Weds in a few weeks. For what it is worth this is one game where I would not play McDonald and play Monty and Doyle (and maybe willo) and really swamp the midfield. It will be a scrappy battle and McDonald does not look interested when the game is like this. (ditto for Flynn and Mendez Lang what I have seen). Play Cresswell and Evans up front and at least we may have a semi goal threat.

Genuinely concerned as on current form we will get well beaten I feel. Just hope we are due 'an improved performance'
 
For me there were very few, if any, positives to take from last night; except that we won. The realisation finally dawned that we have a first division squad without anyone to get the fans excited and without anyone to be a leader. Exciting it was not and but for the banter with a few 15 year old Rovrum fans the majority of Blades fans may have fallen asleep.
Whatever happened to the crisp passing football we started the season with? And why wasn't Tonne on the bench? He scored a great goal at Burton and ought to have been given another chance.
 
It really was bad. I'm all for taking positives out of a game and I suppose both strikers scored so that could be it. Otherwise it was dire. It was the worst I've seen us 'pass' a ball since Blackwells tenure. We hoofed A LOT.

Midfield was shit, Monty, Cressy and Flynn especially. At least McDonald was trying to play football.

Porter did his usual running in treacle routine and to be fair to Ched, he looked te one bright spark.

Defensively we looked stretched and played far too many long balls, though I can see why they didn't want to pass to our midfield who couldn't pass water.

It was quite embarrassing how simple off the ball movement from Rotherham was causing us so much trouble, something we severely lacked. No pace, no movement - no nothing really.

Very, very lucky to come away with a win. We badly need some pace in our team.
 
Thanks for taking the trouble with that, secretchief. I would have gone but, as you know, 'Only True Blades are at The Lane' :D

Sounds pretty much like a report of most matches this season and hopefully in a few months we don't look back as a 'writing on the wall' report.

Wilson really had better start earning his money soon. Sure, we probably haven't much/any cash for players but have most of the sides who we've played? It doesn't excuse one crap display after another and a feeling that 'the training ground' only exists for other teams.
 
Wilson really had better start earning his money soon. Sure, we probably haven't much/any cash for players but have most of the sides who we've played? It doesn't excuse one crap display after another and a feeling that 'the training ground' only exists for other teams.

Whatever your feelings about Wilson, remind yourself that he can't trade asily on the vastly overpaid players he inherited. Next season is the real time to judge, though I appreciate very few will be that patient.

UTB
 



Secretchief on Evans: "Since he has never and will never score a one-on-one you sort of shrug your shoulders and don’t even mark it up as a chance."

Funny, but sadly true at the same time.
 
Plenty of you have, astonishingly, called for us to be more direct. You got it last night it seems. We won and that, according to the highly influential think-tank, the We :heart: Hoof Brigade, is absolutely all that matters. So all is right with the world.....isn't it?.....isn't it?
 
"This is a valley of ashes--a fantastic farm where ashes grow like wheat into ridges and hills and grotesque gardens; where ashes take the forms of houses and chimneys and rising smoke and, finally, with a transcendent effort, of men who move dimly and already crumbling through the powdery air. Occasionally a line of gray cars crawls along an invisible track, gives out a ghastly creak, and comes to rest, and immediately the ash-gray men swarm up with leaden spades and stir up an impenetrable cloud, which screens their obscure operations from your sight."
 
Plenty of you have, astonishingly, called for us to be more direct. You got it last night it seems. We won and that, according to the highly influential think-tank, the We :heart: Hoof Brigade, is absolutely all that matters. So all is right with the world.....isn't it?.....isn't it?

If we play like we did last night and come out with a 2-1 win on 16th Oct I'll be very happy indeed.
 
Plenty of you have, astonishingly, called for us to be more direct. You got it last night it seems. We won and that, according to the highly influential think-tank, the We :heart: Hoof Brigade, is absolutely all that matters. So all is right with the world.....isn't it?.....isn't it?
does someone have to pull an elastic cord in your back before you post on here ?
 
Agree with your report Secret Chief.

Apart from our 2 goals, the highlight for me was the "To me, to you" chant from Blades fans.
And the two stewards trying to catch people out spying behind the "Olympic Flame" at the top of the hill.

I sat in the main stand so I could see more. When I left I felt like a naughty little schoolboy who had pinched some chocolate from the corner shop.
 
"This is a valley of ashes--a fantastic farm where ashes grow like wheat into ridges and hills and grotesque gardens; where ashes take the forms of houses and chimneys and rising smoke and, finally, with a transcendent effort, of men who move dimly and already crumbling through the powdery air. Occasionally a line of gray cars crawls along an invisible track, gives out a ghastly creak, and comes to rest, and immediately the ash-gray men swarm up with leaden spades and stir up an impenetrable cloud, which screens their obscure operations from your sight."

"But above the grey land and the spasms of bleak dust which drift endlessly over it, you perceive, after a moment, the eyes of Kevin McCabe. The eyes of Kevin McCabe are cold and gigantic- their retinas are one yard high. They look out of no face but, instead, from a pair of enormous yellow pound signs which pass over a nonexistent nose…But his eyes, dimmed a little by many winless days under sun and rain, brood on over the solemn training ground."
 
Plenty of you have, astonishingly, called for us to be more direct. You got it last night it seems. We won and that, according to the highly influential think-tank, the We :heart: Hoof Brigade, is absolutely all that matters. So all is right with the world.....isn't it?.....isn't it?
You do talk garbage, but at least it's consistent.

Forget the total football of Brighton's promotion season, or the "hoof" that's seen Udders undefeated for a season, just try and imagine that all the way in between, there might be room for success too.

UTB
 
"This is a valley of ashes--a fantastic farm where ashes grow like wheat into ridges and hills and grotesque gardens; where ashes take the forms of houses and chimneys and rising smoke and, finally, with a transcendent effort, of men who move dimly and already crumbling through the powdery air. Occasionally a line of gray cars crawls along an invisible track, gives out a ghastly creak, and comes to rest, and immediately the ash-gray men swarm up with leaden spades and stir up an impenetrable cloud, which screens their obscure operations from your sight."

A metaphor often discussed at RAPFA meetings. I think it symbolises the desolation and hopelessness of Hoofball from a New York perspective.
 
Plenty of you have, astonishingly, called for us to be more direct. You got it last night it seems. We won and that, according to the highly influential think-tank, the We :heart: Hoof Brigade, is absolutely all that matters. So all is right with the world.....isn't it?.....isn't it?

a win is a win however its achieved, the football sucked no denying so now it appears we cant play beautiful passing football and win but we can play longball (badly) and win.
so of course pinchy and his friends in rapfa or whatever the gang is called this week are right we should play nice passing football, create chance after chance and lose 3 outta every 4 games, but at least the football is nice to watch and the blades "long ball" tag has finally been buried ....hasn't it? ....hasn't it?

MunXy
 
Plenty of you have, astonishingly, called for us to be more direct. You got it last night it seems. We won and that, according to the highly influential think-tank, the We :heart: Hoof Brigade, is absolutely all that matters. So all is right with the world.....isn't it?.....isn't it?

Indeed Pinch. All we have been hearing about for weeks is that this 'tippy tappy nonsense' is getting us nowhere and bal de bla. The other night we put in a turgid, hoofball performance and ground out a result (Blackwell would have been proud of that and ale house Micky can only dream of nights like that) and everyone complains.

a win is a win however its achieved, the football sucked no denying so now it appears we cant play beautiful passing football and win but we can play longball (badly) and win.
so of course pinchy and his friends in rapfa or whatever the gang is called this week are right we should play nice passing football, create chance after chance and lose 3 outta every 4 games, but at least the football is nice to watch and the blades "long ball" tag has finally been buried ....hasn't it? ....hasn't it?

newsflash Munxy. We are were playing a 4th division side. Losing with our 'nice football' in 3 of the last 4 just happens to be against the best 2 teams we have faced so far and arguably the best 2 teams in the league. But we beat the mighty Rov-ram with some hoof. Nice. Wilson out (Blackwell in).
 
Originally Posted by raul
"This is a valley of ashes--a fantastic farm where ashes grow like wheat into ridges and hills and grotesque gardens; where ashes take the forms of houses and chimneys and rising smoke and, finally, with a transcendent effort, of men who move dimly and already crumbling through the powdery air. Occasionally a line of gray cars crawls along an invisible track, gives out a ghastly creak, and comes to rest, and immediately the ash-gray men swarm up with leaden spades and stir up an impenetrable cloud, which screens their obscure operations from your sight."



"But above the grey land and the spasms of bleak dust which drift endlessly over it, you perceive, after a moment, the eyes of Kevin McCabe. The eyes of Kevin McCabe are cold and gigantic- their retinas are one yard high. They look out of no face but, instead, from a pair of enormous yellow pound signs which pass over a nonexistent nose…But his eyes, dimmed a little by many winless days under sun and rain, brood on over the solemn training ground."



WTF are these two on??????????

pass me the mogadon please
 
"In my younger and more vunerable years my father gave me some advice that I've been turning over in my mind ever since.

"Whenever you feel like criticising Ched Evans," he said "just remember that someone on S24SU.com is going to say that he thinks Ched will "come good" eventually.""
 



'All happy football fans are more or less like one another; every Sheffield United fan is unhappy in his own particular way.'
 

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