So three evening on?

[boo radley]

Yeates?
According to one match report on here he was reasonable.
I thought he was poor. He pulled out or drew back from a lot of tackles and closedown situations.
He did improve in the 2nd half but seemed to wait for opportunities rather than helping to find them. He did not however pull out in the move that lead to the goal. I'm sure we all hope in those similar situations he will be really positive.

 

[MAQ]

I Cant say that i was impressed by what i saw. Now im not a person to rule out or judge based on first impressions, but for me he reminded me alot of Cotterill after he had signed a full time deal.

As you said he didnt track back, couldnt tackle, neshed out of challenges and his movement and positional play wasnt great.

Like i said i will not pass judgement yet until he's had more oppertunity to settle, but at this moment im slightly concerned that weve sold one player to replace him by stepping backwards.

 

[The One]

On first impressions....he's no better than cotterill.

 

[Micalijo]

Did well for the goal and should have gone down when clipped in the box early on in our one attack of the first half.

Other than that he is far too small to be effective in modern day football. No chance of anything with Quinn and Yeates in - and Monty.

When you play as little football as we do, a basic ability to win a few headers to keep the ball in the mix is vital.

 

[Grecian2000]

I thought he was poor. He pulled out or drew back from a lot of tackles and closedown situations.

In other words he played like a winger.
Looked a lot better for the last 15 when Ward was on and we were getting balls out wide.

Is he another who will be hounded out because he is more intent on attack than defense? Bloody hope not.

 

[TonyAgana]

I maintain that you can't play with one winger. The left wing was a potato patch for the first 70 minutes. After that, the whole midfield spread out and was far more balanced which allowed Yeates the space to operate. I thought his long-range passing was very good and he looked like he could get things moving. He'll probably get dropped before too long though because he can't tackle like a defender or get box-to-box like a central midfielder. In my mind, asking a winger to operate like that makes as much sense as asking a goalkeeper to get goals.

 

[shorehamview]

I maintain that you can't play with one winger.

Indeed you can't. I know for certain that when my Dad puts his glider together when taking it out of it's trailer he doesn't use just the one wing. It needs two.

 

[TonyAgana]

Indeed you can't. I know for certain that when my Dad puts his glider together when taking it out of it's trailer he doesn't use just the one wing. It needs two.

...for similar reasons.

 

[boo radley]

In other words he played like a winger.
Looked a lot better for the last 15 when Ward was on and we were getting balls out wide.

Is he another who will be hounded out because he is more intent on attack than defense? Bloody hope not.

So when he chased a defender down the wing back to his own goal line and defender played said ball back to keeper 10 yards away, he should not then make up those ten yards quickly to rush the keeper?

I maintain that you can't play with one winger. The left wing was a potato patch for the first 70 minutes. After that, the whole midfield spread out and was far more balanced which allowed Yeates the space to operate. I thought his long-range passing was very good and he looked like he could get things moving. He'll probably get dropped before too long though because he can't tackle like a defender or get box-to-box like a central midfielder. In my mind, asking a winger to operate like that makes as much sense as asking a goalkeeper to get goals.

So with your system we play 4 3 3 and wingers only have to defend in the opponents half?

 

[Grecian2000]

So when he chased a defender down the wing back to his own goal line and defender played said ball back to keeper 10 yards away, he should not then make up those ten yards quickly to rush the keeper?

1. You weren't specific in your initial criticism, just said "a lot of tackles and closedown situations", this I would assume to mean defensively.

2. Probably not. You can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times harrying a goalkeeper pays dividends as opposed to the number of times the ball comes straight back and you are then offside or, more importantly, still "recovering" from your effort.
The Akinbye Lummox was a great waster of effort in this direction, gaining applause from the crowd for his immense effort and then being in no position to capitalise on the ball coming straight back.
Save your energy for when it matters (i.e. when you've got to outrun a defender or when you're only 4 yards away from the keeper and you might get there in time).

 

[Grecian2000]

Meant to add.

I wasn't impressed with him at all in the first 70 minutes. Looked completely lost.

I was given hope by the last 15 or so.

 

[TonyAgana]

So with your system we play 4 3 3 and wingers only have to defend in the opponents half?

I'm saying that it should be far from his primary objective and pressure to fulfill that aspect shouldn't be placed on a winger. It's merely a bonus when they do.

 

[boo radley]

1. You weren't specific in your initial criticism, just said "a lot of tackles and closedown situations", this I would assume to mean defensively.

2. Probably not. You can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times harrying a goalkeeper pays dividends as opposed to the number of times the ball comes straight back and you are then offside or, more importantly, still "recovering" from your effort.
The Akinbye Lummox was a great waster of effort in this direction, gaining applause from the crowd for his immense effort and then being in no position to capitalise on the ball coming straight back.
Save your energy for when it matters (i.e. when you've got to outrun a defender or when you're only 4 yards away from the keeper and you might get there in time).

Sorry it just got me quite angry that a new player in that situation described seeme to be the only one who didn't think he should close down.

Meant to add.

I wasn't impressed with him at all in the first 70 minutes. Looked completely lost.

I was given hope by the last 15 or so.

I'll also think your right with above.

I'm saying that it should be far from his primary objective and pressure to fulfill that aspect shouldn't be placed on a winger. It's merely a bonus when they do.

I see what your saying but would suggest that he should make better judgement when to.

 

[Kenilworth]

Did well for the goal and should have gone down when clipped in the box early on in our one attack of the first half.

Other than that he is far too small to be effective in modern day football. No chance of anything with Quinn and Yeates in - and Monty.

When you play as little football as we do, a basic ability to win a few headers to keep the ball in the mix is vital.

To proove your theory

Mark Yeates 5'9"
Wayne Rooney 5'10"

It's that extra inch that makes the difference.

By that reckoning all these (5'9" or under) must be crap then;
Aaron Lennon
Jermain Defoe
Joe Cole
Craig Bellamy
Cesc Fabregas
Stephen Quinn

Alright - I'll give you the last one

 

[shorehamview]

It's that extra inch that makes the difference.

Ding, and indeed, dong. You keep loading, I'll keep firing.