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Grecian2000 said:
Of course he is, everyone is.

BUT we have a recent history of replacing good players with not very good ones (and still calling it "good business"). Regardless of whether we had to sell, chose to sell whatever, the quality of replacement is the ONLY criteria we should be interested in.

It might take several transfers but any club that has Kyle Walker at RB but ends up with Tony McMahon there instead has made some pretty poor decisions along the way.
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Can't disagree with that past analysis Grecian, but we appear to have done a 360 degree change in this department. It didn't take Clough too long to see how much of a liability McMahon was, and generally I've been very pleased with those he's brought in, Paynter and White aside. I think our manager has a good eye for a player and we need to trust in him to strengthen the squad for today and tomorrow.
 

itsinyerblood said:
It didn't take Clough too long to see how much of a liability McMahon was,
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Indeed. He's only been there 6 months and half their squad has come the other way. Says it all.

To me this is the first big test of the "new way". We've lost (on the verge of losing) one of our better players (despite what some might say about him) and we need to be wise in re-investing the fee.
 
Grecian2000 said:
Indeed. He's only been there 6 months and half their squad has come the other way. Says it all.

To me this is the first big test of the "new way". We've lost (on the verge of losing) one of our better players (despite what some might say about him) and we need to be wise in re-investing the fee.
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Yep, Harry appears to be on his way, I guess NC is gambling that the demands of a new season will force another team's hand. It also suggests that united's valuation of HM is somewhere between £3-4million. If it's the top end of that projection and Clough gets something close to that figure, then we'll be in a strong position to secure at least 2-3 decent players with money left over.
 
itsinyerblood said:
Yep, Harry appears to be on his way, I guess NC is gambling that the demands of a new season will force another team's hand. It also suggests that united's valuation of HM is somewhere between £3-4million. If it's the top end of that projection and Clough gets something close to that figure, then we'll be in a strong position to secure at least 2-3 decent players with money left over.
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I wouldnt want us to have money left over, I think if harry goes we will see a proper statement of intent with a marquee signing for a pretty decent chunk of change!
 
S5Blade said:
I wouldnt want us to have money left over, I think if harry goes we will see a proper statement of intent with a marquee signing for a pretty decent chunk of change!
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I can't see the point in spending everything just because we can.....what about the January transfer window?

Spending for the sake of spending seems fiscally illiterate, surely better to bring in good players regardless of price, and if they happen to be ones that slip in under the radar so much the better? I'm sure NC will bring in who he regards as the man to do the job, not because they've a price attached that is embossed in gold.

I think there's far too much of this 'marquee signing = guarantees success' nonsense that has gripped some of our supporters.
Buy 'em if they're worth buying, not because of a price tag that makes us seem like Division 1's profligate wasters.
 
it's more than likely we will both be in the same division after this season and which club will prove the bigger draw to prospective signings? Vibrant, cosmopolitan Sheffield playing in front of 25-30000 or playing in an industrial estate on the fringes of the land that time forgot in front of 15-20000.
I have always felt Harry has shortcomings that may cause him to struggle in the Prem, we can certainly manage ok without him So, good luck to him and lets move on to bigger things with those who want to wear the badge
 
itsinyerblood said:
I can't see the point in spending everything just because we can.....what about the January transfer window?

Spending for the sake of spending seems fiscally illiterate, surely better to bring in good players regardless of price, and if they happen to be ones that slip in under the radar so much the better? I'm sure NC will bring in who he regards as the man to do the job, not because they've a price attached that is embossed in gold.

I think there's far too much of this 'marquee signing = guarantees success' nonsense that has gripped some of our supporters.
Buy 'em if they're worth buying, not because of a price tag that makes us seem like Division 1's profligate wasters.
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Just think that the harry funds will probably extend our list of targets in quite a large way so would like us to go after one of the ones who were previously out of our reach, I agree that a marquee signing doesn't guarantee success and wouldn't want us for a minute to spend it for the sake of it but if the cash allows us to go after better targets then lets go for it.
 
S5Blade said:
Just think that the harry funds will probably extend our list of targets in quite a large way so would like us to go after one of the ones who were previously out of our reach, I agree that a marquee signing doesn't guarantee success and wouldn't want us for a minute to spend it for the sake of it but if the cash allows us to go after better targets then lets go for it.
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Point taken, but there's also the wage structure to consider.

If it takes a big hitter to make the difference then of course we should consider, but someone on the up rather than on the slide without fire in the belly.
 
Some of our fans have been brainwashed into thinking we can't spend any money even though we have it,i don't want to hear any bullshit from the board,no excuses,if we sell maguire we will have plenty of money to get that marquee signing which doesn't guarentee success,but certainly goes along way to doing it.Apparently we don't need to sell Harry so we must have money anyway,thats before we sell him.

You get what you pay for,simple as that.
 
itsinyerblood said:
I can't see the point in spending everything just because we can.....what about the January transfer window?

Spending for the sake of spending seems fiscally illiterate, surely better to bring in good players regardless of price, and if they happen to be ones that slip in under the radar so much the better? I'm sure NC will bring in who he regards as the man to do the job, not because they've a price attached that is embossed in gold.

I think there's far too much of this 'marquee signing = guarantees success' nonsense that has gripped some of our supporters.
Buy 'em if they're worth buying, not because of a price tag that makes us seem like Division 1's profligate wasters.
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Whilst I agree with the point about buying who is worth buying I don't go with the "what about January" line at all.

NOW is building time, January is topping up. The January transfer window is a mirage, in that there are no bargains to be had, just desperate dealings from panic stricken managers at the wrong end of the table, paying stupid prices. We can get a loan or two in January (as we just did in the previous season) but don't be waiting until then for your team building signings.

For what it's worth, although I've brought up our dreadful "good business" deals today, I don't think we'd sell Harry unless we had the money lined up to buy someone "game changing". That's what I'm banking on anyhow.
 
Grecian2000 said:
Whilst I agree with the point about buying who is worth buying I don't go with the "what about January" line at all.

NOW is building time, January is topping up. The January transfer window is a mirage, in that there are no bargains to be had, just desperate dealings from panic stricken managers at the wrong end of the table, paying stupid prices. We can get a loan or two in January (as we just did in the previous season) but don't be waiting until then for your team building signings.

For what it's worth, although I've brought up our dreadful "good business" deals today, I don't think we'd sell Harry unless we had the money lined up to buy someone "game changing". That's what I'm banking on anyhow.
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Don't think we're that far apart Grecian, and for me it's not a case of either or. If we got a large chunk of money for Harry I can't, in all honesty, see us spending it before the season begins. I've enough faith in our manager to believe that he'll buy who he thinks is worth buying, be that a large fee or a meagre one. Quality seems to be his byword, at least in terms of what it'll take to get us out of this poxy division. Like you, I want us promoted so that next season we're able to attract a better quality of player, but for now I also appreciate we don't have an infinite pot of money to draw upon, and I really do think we're just a couple of players off being a force to be reckoned with.
 
Sorry but Harry isn't good enough for premier league yet and i am not sure he ever will be, he is slow and has a lot of mistakes in him. I can see Hull struggling next season we may be playing against him next in the 2015/16 season, now that would be funny. Take anything close to 3m and use it to buy Brayford and a good striker then we are laughing IMO.
 
wizadry said:
Some of our fans have been brainwashed into thinking we can't spend any money even though we have it,i don't want to hear any bullshit from the board,no excuses,if we sell maguire we will have plenty of money to get that marquee signing which doesn't guarentee success,but certainly goes along way to doing it.Apparently we don't need to sell Harry so we must have money anyway,thats before we sell him.

You get what you pay for,simple as that.
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Problem is that HM is homegrown so his wages don't count towards FFP. Therefore to bring in a big signing their wages would effectively double in real terms in terms of the wage structure. Further reason to keep or push up the fee if he is going to go due to his value to us in terms of FFP.
 

blade.i.am said:
Vibrant, cosmopolitan Sheffield playing in front of 25-30000 or playing in an industrial estate on the fringes of the land that time forgot in front of 15-20000.
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For one year at least he'll be visiting The Emirates, Old Trafford and so forth every other week. That and he'll become an instant millionaire.

It won't take long to decide.
 
I think he's a fantastic defender - not in Jags, walker or Cahills league in terms of who I've seen at BDTBL - but very good and he'll go on to be a top footballer. How good depends on how he develops to deal with his weaknesses to ensure the best of the best don't exploit them. He's not blessed with pace, as we all know, but that in itself shouldn't stop him playing at the top if he can develop his all round game and he's paired with the right guy.

I'll not be crying into my cornflakes but regardless of fee or whether it's 'good business' I'd rather he stayed. Its never nice to see a good homegrown player with bags of talent playing for somebody else.

FWIW I think his long term prospects would be better served moving into the championship with SUFC and learning that level at a club and surroundings he's comfortable with but I'm biased and he'll have been given several millions of reasons why he should choose to leave and I fully understand why he would.
 
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Caveblade said:
Cardiff income from TV last season was £66 million, Hull's must be at least that, if not considerably more. They are playing in the Europa League this season and have another portion of the golden pot that is the premier league TV rights. You can also add into the equation the possible fee demanded by a tribunal if Harry sees out his contract with us this season. I would tell Dull City to come back when they are ready to make a serious offer. £4.5 to £5 million. They got Quinny for bugger all, lets not make it easy for them on this one.

If he does go, good luck to the Lad, he has always given his all during the good and bad times. Not sure that he is ready for the Prem and with his lack of pace, potentially may never be.
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With regards to the Europa league, I think that it was mentioned on here late last season when we had a chance of qualification, that the club would more than likely make a loss being in the competition. Clubs only make money in that competition if they make the later stages
 
SotonBlade said:
With regards to the Europa league, I think that it was mentioned on here late last season when we had a chance of qualification, that the club would more than likely make a loss being in the competition. Clubs only make money in that competition if they make the later stages
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They've been drawn against...AS Trencin (me neither) from Slovakia who, according to Wikipedia, plays its home games at the Štadión na Sihoti with a capacity of 4,500 spectators. Game to be played over 2 legs. Sounds like the Johnsons Paint Pot Cup.

Not that it'll matter to Harry as, according to today's Mail:

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So, if he turns out for us on August 9, I hope whoever called him 'Leadboots' will be proud...
 
I love some people trying to call it a bad move because 'we might be playing them next season'. That has to be the worst debating point in football! Silly boys...
 
blader said:
I love some people trying to call it a bad move because 'we might be playing them next season'. That has to be the worst debating point in football! Silly boys...
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It would be a bad move but not for the reason you have given and i haven't seen anyone say it would be a bad move for that reason.The reasons its a bad move are,1)he won't get a game and 2)he's not ready for premier league football yet.

The reason it would be a good move for the lad is MONEY simple,and he's going to need that money to replace his wheels every weak in that shithole of a city.

Just incase there is someone out there who has said that its a bad move for the reason you have given,imagine what they would say if Hull do get relegated,which there is a chance by the way,europa league to contend with and an horrific finish last season and then we get promoted as expected by the bookmakers,not just our fans.Who'd be a silly boy then;)
 
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