Sheffield: A Footballing City Underperforming

[JackSUFC]

...is the feature in Tifo Football’s latest episode.



Hopefully not for much longer - in our case anyway.

Those who know about Tifo will agree that they’re one of the best out there for content. I think this is our first mention, although I always see people in the comments section asking them to do a feature on Wilder’s Tactics.

EDIT: Somehow managed to put this in General Chat. Not had a coffee this morning yet. Mods please move.

 

[Tony]

1899 ?

 

[Harry Thickett]

Its good to see the recognition that Sheffield is a sleeping giant. They got some of the early facts wrong. United were formed in 1889 not 1899 and I dont think their formation was due to the Owls moving to Olive grove. It's United's 130th birthday today which I discuss here https://www.englandsoldestfootballc...d-its-all-thanks-to-sheffields-first-dentist/

 

[Dkc]

The only PL city with a bigger population is London? What a load of bollocks. Sheffield's not as big as Manc, Liverpool or Birmingham if you look at the actual size of the places, not official boundries.

 

[Guesty]

The only PL city with a bigger population is London? What a load of bollocks. Sheffield's not as big as Manc, Liverpool or Birmingham if you look at the actual size of the places, not official boundries.

If by PL you mean Premier League (I haven't watched the thing), then Birmingham doesn't have a team there.

City sizes are tricky things. Technically we're bigger than Manchester, though in practice we're obviously not.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Emerging from my sleep pit, I have to ask “Who the fuck is Tifo?”

 

[gordoncharles]

So we were better supported than Wednesday even in the 19th century?

That little factoid is being filed away.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

The only PL city with a bigger population is London? What a load of bollocks. Sheffield's not as big as Manc, Liverpool or Birmingham if you look at the actual size of the places, not official boundries.

Sheffield does have a larger population than Manchester.

 

[gordoncharles]

Sheffield does have a larger population than Manchester.

It's a dishonest stat though Scooter, the Greater Manchester conurbation has a population of over 2.5 million.

 

[Chali 2na]

Emerging from my sleep pit, I have to ask “Who the fuck is Tifo?”

A fantastic YouTube channel mate. They do a lot of videos about tactics, football finance & history.

Worth a watch if that's your sort of thing

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

It's a dishonest stat though Scooter, the Greater Manchester conurbation has a population of over 2.5 million.

Indeed, but that includes the surrounding areas like Salford, Bury, Rochdale etc. Greater Manchester isn't a city.

 

[BushBlade]

Indeed, but that includes the surrounding areas like Salford, Bury, Rochdale etc. Greater Manchester isn't a city.

Yes but at this point it just becomes a technicality rather than a relevant stat. You can walk between the two cities of Manchester and Salford and be unaware you’ve crossed a border.

 

[Blade for Sale]

Yes but at this point it just becomes a technicality rather than a relevant stat. You can walk between the two cities of Manchester and Salford and be unaware you’ve crossed a border.

Whereas if you walk between Sheffield and Rotherham you feel like you've crossed an event horizon!

 

[ScottBlade]

Good channel. They did an excellent in depth tactics video on Norwich not so long ago. Would love to see them do a Blades one.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I dont think their formation was due to the Owls moving to Olive grove. It's United's 130th birthday today which I discuss here https://www.englandsoldestfootballc...d-its-all-thanks-to-sheffields-first-dentist/

Agree, he’s got that bit wrong.

I always thought it was Sheffield United Cricket Club, with a few others that played at Bramall Lane.
“The Wednesday” football club only played odd games at Bramall Lane when they were expecting a big crowd.

Cricket was the number 1 sport in England in the 1880’s.
It was “Sheffield United Cricket Club” who used Bramall Lane during the Summer months, so Bramall Lane was largely unused during the Winter. The owners saw that football was growing in popularity and saw a revenue opportunity, so they asked The Wednesday if they wanted to move in permanently, they refused so the owners of Bramall Lane decided to start a new club, they wrote to local clubs inviting trials.

The cricket club was called Sheffield United, so they naturally thought to call the new football club “Sheffield United”.

 

[Topplayersleave]

It's a dishonest stat though Scooter, the Greater Manchester conurbation has a population of over 2.5 million.

As mentioned earlier, the size of cities is a contentious thing

Sheffield is bigger than Manchester itself but obviously not as big as Greater Manchester that includes the population of about 10 different towns and cities. I mean really, is someone from Bolton or Rochdale or Oldham a Manc. They'll soon let you know they are not if you make that mistake

Some statistics also show Leeds population as being the entire West Yorkshire area, an area which includes other Cities in their own right like Bradford and Wakefield and a very large town like Huddersfield.

All these places have their own postcodes BD, WF, and HD and are no more a part of Leeds than they are of Kingston Jamaica

A funny thing is when you cross the Brooklyn Bridge into Brooklyn, there is a sign that says "Welcome to Brooklyn, The USA's 4th biggest city"

That gives you an indication of how Brooklyn people feel about being classed as a part of the New York megalopis

 

[gordoncharles]

As mentioned earlier, the size of cities is a contentious thing...

It actually works in reverse too.

Forest Green Rovers always make a big thing of how they're from a village, ignoring the surrounding area (admittedly not that large but does at least include a town) and culminating in this utterly ludicrous local newspaper article
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/spor...s/league-two-attendances-dons-grimsby-2266318

 

[Maidenhead]

A funny thing is when you cross the Brooklyn Bridge into Brooklyn, there is a sign that says "Welcome to Brooklyn, The USA's 4th biggest city"

That gives you an indication of how Brooklyn people feel about being classed as a part of the New York megalopis

And how Morley people feel when they are classed as part of Leeds

 

[bornablade]

Wednesday up to 1929 thought they were more massive than Sheffield.

Delusional from the very start.

 

[FinchleyBlade]

The only PL city with a bigger population is London? What a load of bollocks. Sheffield's not as big as Manc, Liverpool or Birmingham if you look at the actual size of the places, not official boundries.

Wrong. Sheffield is bigger in population than both Manchester and Liverpool. 'Greater Manchester' is not the city of Manchester, its like classing Rotherham and Chesterfield as being part of Sheffield.

 

[Topplayersleave]

Wrong. Sheffield is bigger in population than both Manchester and Liverpool. 'Greater Manchester' is not the city of Manchester, its like classing Rotherham and Chesterfield as being part of Sheffield.

That's right
Sheffield is a stand alone city, and loses out in many ways because of it.
A City's Metropolitan Area is a collection of towns and cities all clumped together.

City measured against City and Sheffield is the 4th largest in England and the 5th largest in the UK

The City of Sheffield measured against The Metropolitan Area of some places like Merseyside, Greater Manchester and The West Yorkshire Conurbation and Sheffield is about 8th.

I've said it for many years, Sheffield and the region is being left behind, it is being left behind for many reasons, but one of them is it's isolation. It's time that Barnsley, Rotherham, Chesterfield, Doncaster, Worksop and North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire all joined in and became part of a "Greater Sheffield" for the benefit of the whole region.
There are people living in places like Eckington, Dronfield, Unsworth, Killamarsh, Marsh Lane, Stocksbridge who have absolutely Zero recognition or association with Sheffield whatsoever, despite most of them having Sheffield telephone numbers and all of them having a Sheffield postcode.

Sheffield International Airport at Doncaster, just as Manchester Airport is nearer to Altrincham
Motorway links to Central Sheffield and a motorway ring road starting from the M1 at Junction 30 and heading around the West of Sheffield and rejoining the M1 at Tankersley would be a way of enclosing all our neighbouring towns within the Sheffield Metropolitan Area and not feel like 5 or 6 isolated outposts.

 

[BushBlade]

That's right
Sheffield is a stand alone city, and loses out in many ways because of it.
A City's Metropolitan Area is a collection of towns and cities all clumped together.

City measured against City and Sheffield is the 4th largest in England and the 5th largest in the UK

The City of Sheffield measured against The Metropolitan Area of some places like Merseyside, Greater Manchester and The West Yorkshire Conurbation and Sheffield is about 8th.

I've said it for many years, Sheffield and the region is being left behind, it is being left behind for many reasons, but one of them is it's isolation. It's time that Barnsley, Rotherham, Chesterfield, Doncaster, Worksop and North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire all joined in and became part of a "Greater Sheffield" for the benefit of the whole region.
There are people living in places like Eckington, Dronfield, Unsworth, Killamarsh, Marsh Lane, Stocksbridge who have absolutely Zero recognition or association with Sheffield whatsoever, despite most of them having Sheffield telephone numbers and all of them having a Sheffield postcode.

Sheffield International Airport at Doncaster, just as Manchester Airport is nearer to Altrincham
Motorway links to Central Sheffield and a motorway ring road starting from the M1 at Junction 30 and heading around the West of Sheffield and rejoining the M1 at Tankersley would be a way of enclosing all our neighbouring towns within the Sheffield Metropolitan Area and not feel like 5 or 6 isolated outposts.

Or they could group together the likes of Barnsley And Rotherham and call it the Metropolitan Area of South Yorkshire.

 

[bornablade]

That's right
Sheffield is a stand alone city, and loses out in many ways because of it.
A City's Metropolitan Area is a collection of towns and cities all clumped together.

City measured against City and Sheffield is the 4th largest in England and the 5th largest in the UK

The City of Sheffield measured against The Metropolitan Area of some places like Merseyside, Greater Manchester and The West Yorkshire Conurbation and Sheffield is about 8th.

I've said it for many years, Sheffield and the region is being left behind, it is being left behind for many reasons, but one of them is it's isolation. It's time that Barnsley, Rotherham, Chesterfield, Doncaster, Worksop and North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire all joined in and became part of a "Greater Sheffield" for the benefit of the whole region.
There are people living in places like Eckington, Dronfield, Unsworth, Killamarsh, Marsh Lane, Stocksbridge who have absolutely Zero recognition or association with Sheffield whatsoever, despite most of them having Sheffield telephone numbers and all of them having a Sheffield postcode.


Sheffield International Airport at Doncaster, just as Manchester Airport is nearer to Altrincham
Motorway links to Central Sheffield and a motorway ring road starting from the M1 at Junction 30 and heading around the West of Sheffield and rejoining the M1 at Tankersley would be a way of enclosing all our neighbouring towns within the Sheffield Metropolitan Area and not feel like 5 or 6 isolated outposts.

Some good points there. I don't think the Barnsley's and Doncaster's of this world have a great deal of faith in Sheffield.

May have been last year when Sheffield was looking for a regional mayor Barnsley and Doncaster wanted to associate themselves with a Yorkshire mayor who would have probably been based in Leeds.

 

[SB_90]

Wrong. Sheffield is bigger in population than both Manchester and Liverpool. 'Greater Manchester' is not the city of Manchester, its like classing Rotherham and Chesterfield as being part of Sheffield.

unless they are winning in sport the quite a few that have been classed as from Sheffield, when from Rotherham or from villages outside sheffield

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Some good points there. I don't think the Barnsley's and Doncaster's of this world have a great deal of faith in Sheffield.

May have been last year when Sheffield was looking for a regional mayor Barnsley and Doncaster wanted to associate themselves with a Yorkshire mayor who would have probably been based in Leeds.

And you can hardly blame them, with the performance of our council over the last 40 years.

 

[Putney Blade]

Really good clip. And, however you cut the population, massively underperforming teams. Embarrassingly so. Huge working class population, passionate about football, both teams been poorly managed for years, decades, generations. Apart from very few occasions, been piss poor for 100 years. Both peaked at the turn of the twentieth century, not much since. Let's hope our ownership / financial issues don't halt the progress under Wilder. Because if he walks, be another curve going downwards. UTB

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Agree, he’s got that bit wrong.

I always thought it was Sheffield United Cricket Club, with a few others that played at Bramall Lane.
“The Wednesday” football club only played odd games at Bramall Lane when they were expecting a big crowd.

Cricket was the number 1 sport in England in the 1880’s.
It was “Sheffield United Cricket Club” who used Bramall Lane during the Summer months, so Bramall Lane was largely unused during the Winter. The owners saw that football was growing in popularity and saw a revenue opportunity, so they asked The Wednesday if they wanted to move in permanently, they refused so the owners of Bramall Lane decided to start a new club, they wrote to local clubs inviting trials.

The cricket club was called Sheffield United, so they naturally thought to call the new football club “Sheffield United”.

The idea that SUFC was formed because Wednesday moved away seems to have taken hold, but I also don't believe that's completely correct. It's in a book I have and it's on Wikipedia. But there are contradictions. Wednesday's ground was next door behind Sheaf House from 1877 but they played major games at Bramall Lane.
The problem was that for FA cup games, IIRC, the admission price was 6d, 3d went to the away team and 2d was taken by Bramall Lane. I don't know how many games they played at Bramall Lane and how many elsewhere, I think most early seasons were limited to cups and local competitions.
As far as I can see, they left 2 years before SUFC were formed, so it can't have been that dire. 6 days before SUFC were formed a semi final was held at the Lane and I think it was that which gave the Cricket Club ideas.
I'm sure people will correct anything I've got wrong.

 

[FleaPitBlade]

There are people living in places like Eckington, Dronfield, Unsworth, Killamarsh, Marsh Lane, Stocksbridge who have absolutely Zero recognition or association with Sheffield whatsoever

That's not true of Dronny. I'd guess most associate with Sheffield and recognise it as a suburb of the city. We're practically attached yet Chezzy is two villages and 5 miles of farmland away everyone in the town who follows football is United or Wednesday.

I was born at Netheredge Hospital and lived in Dronfield all my life but if anyone asks where I'm from, I say Sheffield.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

That's not true of Dronny. I'd guess most associate with Sheffield and recognise it as a suburb of the city. We're practically attached yet Chezzy is two villages and 5 miles of farmland away everyone in the town who follows football is United or Wednesday.

I was born at Netheredge Hospital and lived in Dronfield all my life but if anyone asks where I'm from, I say Sheffield.

I was also born at Netheredge Hospital. I lived all my young life in Sheffield.
If anyone asks where I'm from, I say Las Vegas.

 

[diode_blade]

...is the feature in Tifo Football’s latest episode.



Hopefully not for much longer - in our case anyway.

Those who know about Tifo will agree that they’re one of the best out there for content. I think this is our first mention, although I always see people in the comments section asking them to do a feature on Wilder’s Tactics.

EDIT: Somehow managed to put this in General Chat. Not had a coffee this morning yet. Mods please move.

That sign is wrong for a starters
558,000>>>city center
2,000,000,103.5<<<<<that way....please be aware of severe rust infestation and some minor earthquakes that are usually stopped very quickly.