scougal

[alcoblade]

A mental presence you say? Could that be... THE BEARD?

Brayford plays against Swindon and we keep it tight and score 2 goals... Brayford is cup tied against Preston and we loose 1-3, coincidence? I think not. We have very little leaders on the pitch and I think that is our problem at times.

In regards to Scougs; I do think we would benefit from a player like Gallagher who we saw last night in that position. On his day and against LESS physical opponents he's a top player.

We didn't keep it tight against Swindon. We were let off the hook by poor finishing. Of all the opinion in this thread, that's got to be as near to a fact as there is.

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[Fulwood Blade]

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Getting fed up of people knocking Scougs on here... those who do quite simply must be either blind or just have a poor understanding of the game.

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1 Goal, 0 assists and lots of games played.

I understand football perfect well and I disagree totally as do many others with your opinion.

You can have yours but just because I and numerous others think differently doesn't give you the right to say " we don't understand football"

His work rate is exceptional, his commitment is exceptional too, his ability (at the moment and for the past few months) has been woeful in creating chances and scoring goals. If you think running around like a headless chicken, creating nowt and scoring nowt is good then fine - I'd like a tad more end product.

The scoring goals and creating goals also applies to Baxter. Reed is at least creating some, but again scoring nowt. As for Doyle - has he actually created 1 assist this season and as for goals?........Will give Doyle the credit for being the defensive lynchpin, but all the others should be creating some clear cut chances.

Our "A" team midfield is none productive from the middle of the park, with Scougal the main culprit - at the moment.

Perhaps someone else is blind.

Rant over.

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[Grappler]

ive

1 Goal, 0 assists and lots of games played.

I understand football perfect well and I disagree totally as do many others with your opinion.

You can have yours but just because I and numerous others think differently doesn't give you the right to say " we don't understand football"

His work rate is exceptional, his commitment is exceptional too, his ability (at the moment and for the past few months) has been woeful in creating chances and scoring goals. If you think running around like a headless chicken, creating nowt and scoring nowt is good then fine - I'd like a tad more end product.

The scoring goals and creating goals also applies to Baxter. Reed is at least creating some, but again scoring nowt. As for Doyle - has he actually created 1 assist this season and as for goals?........Will give Doyle the credit for being the defensive lynchpin, but all the others should be creating some clear cut chances.

Our "A" team midfield is none productive from the middle of the park, with Scougal the main culprit - at the moment.

Perhaps someone else is blind.

Rant over.

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Every team knows that Murphy is our main threat, so they put two men on him. I would love it if a player charged through the middle of the park, route one, and blasted one in. Baxter has the shot, but not the pace. I was hoping James Wallace could do this, and I think Paul Coutts can do this, we will see.

 

[hansblade1889]

The obvious thing we hav lacked in is our movement off the ball and how quickly we move it and taking scougall off wud just make it worse it other players such as mcnulty ice and murph not making runs in behind

 

[Kempy]

ive

1 Goal, 0 assists and lots of games played.

I understand football perfect well and I disagree totally as do many others with your opinion.

You can have yours but just because I and numerous others think differently doesn't give you the right to say " we don't understand football"

His work rate is exceptional, his commitment is exceptional too, his ability (at the moment and for the past few months) has been woeful in creating chances and scoring goals. If you think running around like a headless chicken, creating nowt and scoring nowt is good then fine - I'd like a tad more end product.

The scoring goals and creating goals also applies to Baxter. Reed is at least creating some, but again scoring nowt. As for Doyle - has he actually created 1 assist this season and as for goals?........Will give Doyle the credit for being the defensive lynchpin, but all the others should be creating some clear cut chances.

Our "A" team midfield is none productive from the middle of the park, with Scougal the main culprit - at the moment.

Perhaps someone else is blind.

Rant over.

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Perhaps my original statement was worded a tad harshly, perhaps it is my opinion that those who do not see where the fault actually lies (i.e. not in Socugall's performance but in that of his midfield partner) are either blind or have a poor understanding of the game. Either way you swing it, it's just my opinion and therefore I do have the right to say it. If you take offence to it than that's just silly, after all it's only my opinion. - Love playing the opinion game.

What you have done there is argue the perfect case for our midfielders to be dropped due to poor performance in the advanced stages of the pitch. This would be great if we played a standard 442 formation where the two CM's are supposed to defend and go forward, providing assists and chipping in with the goals. Problem is, they're not, they're in a formation specifically chosen to play in a counter attacking set up which relies heavily on the midfield to harass the opposition, nick the ball, and break to score with more options from midfield to overwhelm the oppositions defence.

Want a tad more end product, yup so would I, so would every blade. Main culprit Scougs? You're having a laugh. Play another player who fits that role in the formation we have and you'll see the creativity. All you have come back and said to me in that post is:

I don't like your opinion, others don't either and we aren't blind. Scougall has work rate but is crap going forward (without even addressing the main point of my posts, that he is being played alongside the wrong partner). Actually whole midfield is a bit crap really at going forward apart from Doyle who is alright because he's in the defensive position. - So you address the formation point that doyle is being played in the correct position but don't think Scougall's potential ability is negated by the fact he has a midfield partner, who he has to do all the work for? hmmm....

 

[bertieblade]

Sorry kempy, but you have contradicted yourself so many times you seem to be going round in more circles than scougal ANC still getting no where.
It is the job if our midfield players to at least support the main striker if Not get beyond him. We did last season we are not this and I am not bothered who plays in that role non of them do it.
Scougal is supposed to play in that role and indeed did it very well lad season thus season he us not

 

[Deadbat]

In short I think the post summed up best on Scougalll is that he works hard, puts a lot of effort in and off the ball is not too bad; chases back, covers space etc. However his passing and general end product is poor. So often he runs into a blind alley and looks promising but either a) gets knocked off ball or b) plays a backwards or sideways easy pass thus negating why he has run 20 yards in the first place.

I want him to go at defenders and try and draw men. Use his pace and low centre of gravity. Sadly his shooting is like that you see in a under 10's match and he is so weak it is untrue. He is playing as an attacking midfielder more than defensive and has scored 1 goal and 0 assists all season. That is a fact whatever debate over positions/who is covering who. Doyle has been steady this season in his defensive role (some poor sstuff, but generally done what is expected), Reed has looked good in limited time with some good balls and distribution and strong running. Baxter has been like marmite but for all criticism he has scored goals and set up goals and contributed too us getting points. Scougall is the one for me that I cannot think of one thing he is really offering at te moment. Running around a lot without actually affecting game defensively or attacking is not enough for me.

I personally think a midfield of Doyle - Wallace (if ever fit)/Coutts and then Reed alternating with Baxter in most advanced position is how we should go with Scougall used an impact sub when teams are tiring.

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

what does the guy offer this season?
Last season , burst into space, give and go, retain possession, quick feet around the box.
This season, just runs into blind alleys and loses possession, I would replace him, baxter and doyle in the centre, where we need physical presence but God knows where we find it.

Coutts had to play and then we need two more, possibly Flo but we are crying out for someone who is a presence both physically and mentally, someone who gets at players and imposes himself.

Now the problem with the analysis, is that you've based his work while he has the ball.

What you should also do is watch him when we don't have the ball.

Closes players down quickly
Forces mistakes
Disrupts plays.
Tracks Back
Never seems to stop running

However,
Does seem better as a impact sub

 

[Woodwardfan]

In short I think the post summed up best on Scougalll is that he works hard, puts a lot of effort in and off the ball is not too bad; chases back, covers space etc. However his passing and general end product is poor. So often he runs into a blind alley and looks promising but either a) gets knocked off ball or b) plays a backwards or sideways easy pass thus negating why he has run 20 yards in the first place.

I want him to go at defenders and try and draw men. Use his pace and low centre of gravity. Sadly his shooting is like that you see in a under 10's match and he is so weak it is untrue. He is playing as an attacking midfielder more than defensive and has scored 1 goal and 0 assists all season. That is a fact whatever debate over positions/who is covering who. Doyle has been steady this season in his defensive role (some poor sstuff, but generally done what is expected), Reed has looked good in limited time with some good balls and distribution and strong running. Baxter has been like marmite but for all criticism he has scored goals and set up goals and contributed too us getting points. Scougall is the one for me that I cannot think of one thing he is really offering at te moment. Running around a lot without actually affecting game defensively or attacking is not enough for me.

I personally think a midfield of Doyle - Wallace (if ever fit)/Coutts and then Reed alternating with Baxter in most advanced position is how we should go with Scougall used an impact sub when teams are tiring.

Spot on. Reed first choice deputised by Baxter when he needs a break due to age.

Scougall - impact player for last 20 minutes when opposition tiredness will balance his lack of strength and also boost his confidence perhaps - the ball is not a hot potato for someone with your skill Scougs. Also the game is not all about a 10 yard spurt and get rid sideways. You will be better than that one day. It is OK to go for goal on occasions, it doesn't necessitate taking the back off the ball to score, you play with your head up and it is OK to look forwards now and again.