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Watched in on erm....a feed. I will not do a full report but offer a few thoughts.

I will say I am glad I did not pay to travel/watch that. Kudos to the 3,800 Blades that did travel. I felt for them behind the goal in freezing conditions not seeing us have a single decent effort on goal all game....maybe a Clarke effort early on but after that we had a heade drift over and a Basham shot blocked in first 15 minutes. after his we did nothing and lost the game comfortably. It was a sloppy goal but in truth it was coming and the pressure meant they were always likely to get one. Moore made a few good saves; they missed two one on ones and had all of the ball.

United have been praised a lot this season and rightly so. Today we were abject. It was the worst performance of the season by a long way. The Millwall performance that was poor was miles better than that. It was as comfortable a 1-0 as you could imagine.

We started the game ok and first 15 were the better side. Clarke had a shot blocked and O'Connell headed over but then after this other then a few corners we did not create anything really. They then had 2 good efforts with Moore tipping over, they hit the bar and started to take control and we were glad to get to half time as they were starting to dominate. Second half they carried this on and completely took the game too us. They had a chance when Moore saved from a one on one and then drove another one on one wide. Moore saved another effort. We sat back deeper and deeper. He had to make a change and it was a bizarre one but they still seemed to be organsing themselves when a routine cross was allowed to come in without pressure and Stevens and O'Connell lost the lad between themselves and he scored easily giving Moore no chance.

After this I thought we might give it a go but they were still the better wide. We made changes but it made no difference. We did not even have a proper attack until the last 10 minutes and the most we kept the ball was maybe 2 passes. It was really poor with no penetration, no width and no pace and we resorted to a long ball game which was something I have not seen. Felt a bit sorry for Clarke who did try and had a few half chances but we still not have a shot or effort on goal of note all second half. They saw it out easily. The only bright spark was the young lad Slater who did more in 10 minutes than Carruthers did in 80.

We looked slow, weak and a soft touch. We were so sloppy in possession and resorted to long ball quite a lot. Our attack was ineffective and did not work hard enough to hold the ball up, the midfield were dominated on and off the ball and gave it away constantly and created nothing. The defence got pulled about and let the strikers run at them or impose themselves. We were well beaten and looked a side miles off a promotion contender.

Wilder accepts we are in a rut but he has said he is not chaning the formation. Duffy and Brooks will play next week; I am sure of that and that will help but the midfield behind them is not Championship standard. They are players that have played their whol career pretty much in League One and expecting them to step up to the pace and ability at this level is asking too much. Wilder needs to think about next week and consider what he does as at the moment it is not working and we will continue to slide but not sure any of the back ups to the backs ups offer us anything. He has just got to get through mext 4 games and hope we can scrap maybe odd win somehow (Sunderland/Bolton) but we have two really hard games at Villa and Derby. Anything we get from those would be a bonus.

Worryingly teams above have shown to spend 5-15 million on players (Wolves, Derby, Bristol City, Villa - only Cardiff haven't spend this kind of money) and may do so again. We are scrambling around to sign a Southend player for a few hundred grand and haggling over that. That is where we are at then so be it and if McCabe and the Prince don't want / or cannot find funds to properly upgrade the side then we have to accept that.

However, we cannot criticise Wilder. He has done a superb job but cannot keep getting lower league players who have rarey played at this level to keep up level of performance they did or to come in for those injured and keep up levels of those going out. However regardless of the players who have come in for those missing, too many others levels have dropped. Sharp, O'Connell, Stevens and even Baldock have dropped standards in recent games. Today other than Moore can anyone say they played well or won their individual battle. Preston won easily.

Moore 7.5/10 - Our best player. Saved a good shot first half; tipping over and then saw numerous other shots sail over but then second half made a good low save as he spread himself. Then saw a few other efforts miss and had no chance on the goal given no protection at all.

Baldock 5/5/10 - Thought he was a bit sloppy today and never really handled a tricky winger. He like Stevens, gave the winger too much time and allowed too many balls to come in. Going forward he had a few runs early on but nor sure he got one good cross in or affected any attack in a meaningful way.

Stevens 5/10 - He has been excellent this season but last 4 or 5 games his standards have declined sharply. Attacking wise his threat has been non existent and he barely got over half way today. When he did he hits the first man or gives it away. Defensively he has been sloppy and givign his man way too much room. They put in so many unopposed crosses from his side.

Stearman 6.5/10 - I actually thought he was our best defender today and he was onyl average. He got a few blocks in, read a few interceptions and best he has played since he came back in. He still is not most secure on the ball and his passing is mixed but he gave it away less than the others.

O'Connell 5/10 - Poor and continued his recent spell where he has been bang out of form. Sloppy on the ball and not picking up or getting close enough to men; as shown on the goal. He was slow to react to dangerous situations and the forward nipped in front of him a few times. Needs to get back to his standards he has set. Ridiculous 35 yard shot over the bar at the end summed up his day.

Carruthers 3/10 - Awful. He made one threaded ball and won a corner with one run. Outside of that I think I counted 8 or 9 other times he had the ball first half and he gave it to them or got tackled every time. He jogged about and looked disinterested after the break also. I did not even know he was playing. He is not good enough and needs moving on. Takes forever to realise danger or sense where he ball it and when he has it he tosses it away often. Not sure what he offers at all. Shame as I thought he would be a good signing and showed flashes but in League One. The championship is faster and has better players and his little tricks/skills do not work. He is so slow both in mind and with feet to do things. Indeed our midfield were painfully slow, weak and lacking in heart and abilty today.

Lundstram 4.5/10 - He has been ok recent games and not deserved criticism some have given him but fact remains we have not won since he started playing and only got 1 point. It is a major drop off from Coutts. Today he was dire. He like Carruthers did not tackle, compete nor did they show any mobility. He gave it away time and time again both short and long with stupid balls that went nowhere. He also got brused off physically. He nearly cost us 2 goals but giving it away right in the middle of the field. He has no pace or movement and seemed to want to do everything around a 5 yard square. Not seen him carry the ball forward more than 2 or 3 yards yet. He is obsessed with going sideways and backwards. Not blaming him for decline as others have dropped standards but he looks a way off standards of a side aspiring for a top 6 finish.

Basham 5.5/10 - He has been reallly consistent this season but was nearly as bad as those 2 above today. Our midfield were totally dominated. Bash did not even get in and win tackles or loose balls. When he had it he gave it away or played balls that the strikers had no chance with. When you are asking him to be our creative threat you have to be concerned.

Clarke 6.5/10 - Tried hard and chased lost causes but he had no service whatsoever. Felt he did not hold ball up aswell as he could have done. He also seemed to get frustrated with a few fouls near the end. We had no threat whatsoever up top today.

Sharp 2/10 - He was awful and the worst player on the pitch by a long way. He only escapes lower marks as he was not sent off, miss a sitter or score an own goal! His contribution today consisted of falling on the floor, looking for non existent fouls and losing out physically and skill wise. He did nothing right all day and how he stayed on the field for the full game I do not know. He has been really poor recent weeks and looks very slow and weak. He is not scoring and is not even offeriing a nuisance factor. We need to upgrade up top in Janaury with some pace. I would even give Lavery a game ahead of him at the moment.

Subs

Lafferty - Came on and they scored instatnly but seemed to be playing wide left and then ended up in midfield. He at least got on the ball a few times but put one cross over the bar and then lost it another occasion.

Donaldson - Another game where I don't think he touched the ball or I cannot remember it! After that debut v Sunderland, he has given us nothing either starting or off the bench.

Slater - Did ok. One run forward and was neat and tidy. Gave us some energy. Nice to see him get a debut but Carruthers, Basham and Lundstram should be embarrased wathing him running around and busting a guy in his short spell when they had strolled about all game.
 

“Stevens 5/10 - He has been excellent this season but last 4 or 5 games his standards have declined sharply. Attacking wise his threat has been non existent and he barely got over half way today. When he did he hits the first man or gives it away. Defensively he has been sloppy and givign his man way too much room. They put in so many unopposed crosses from his side”.

To be honest I think it started before the last 4/5 games. His threat going forwards has deteriorated month on month and his marking is very poor at times - he’s your classic ball-watcher, as demonstrated today. The bad news is that I’m not sure who else would find in, it’s definitely a position that needs strengthening in
January.
 
Spot on with the Sharp comments. I’d have given Carruthers 1/10 for a decent corner first half.
 
Really good analysis for the most part. Think Carruthers was worse than Sharp, on balance, and I think you're a wee bit too harsh on Lundstram, who I think suffers in comparison to Coutts. Otherwise agree on all counts.
 
Pretty much how I saw it but sharp was better than the terrible carruthers. It wasn’t as cold as it looked either :)

Carruthers played one ball inside the full back that was decent and won a corner with one run. So he did 2 decent things. Forgot to mention his floated corners. They were pathetic. Did we not have someone else that could try and have a go?

However, I cannot recall Sharp doing anything right all game. He was hopeless and just kept falling on the floor. Why could he not stay on his feet? He did not even chase and harry and looked totally disinterested. I could not believe how bad he was. One point Clarke gestured him to at least chase a ball and he just stood there. Clarke had to chase the keeper, the centre back and be the outlet.
 
Really good analysis for the most part. Think Carruthers was worse than Sharp, on balance, and I think you're a wee bit too harsh on Lundstram, who I think suffers in comparison to Coutts. Otherwise agree on all counts.

Lundstram may suffer in comparison but not sure what he offers. He is neat and tiday at times but does not affect games in a positive manner. He is very languid and you need a smidgeon of paace and athelticism at this higher level. He has none. That is why he was playing at Oxford. He nearly put them in twice with horror balls and then got robbed at the end. He barely moves from a 5 yard cicumference. If Clarke was not going to score today we were not going to score. None of the midfield we have ever get ahead of the strikers. Never.

We cannot start with the same trio next week - I would rather see the lad Slater have a go.
 
Lundstram may suffer in comparison but not sure what he offers. He is neat and tiday at times but does not affect games in a positive manner. He is very languid and you need a smidgeon of paace and athelticism at this higher level. He has none. That is why he was playing at Oxford. He nearly put them in twice with horror balls and then got robbed at the end. He barely moves from a 5 yard cicumference. If Clarke was not going to score today we were not going to score. None of the midfield we have ever get ahead of the strikers. Never.

We cannot start with the same trio next week - I would rather see the lad Slater have a go.

Totally agree with the latter point, as a three they were awful. Bash and Lundstram are far too similar types of players in that role.

Lunny is a defensive midfielder, he's never going to do the flashy stuff but his contribution is interceptions, tackles, and a neat and tidy recycling of possession. Coutts gave us that plus real creativity, but with Fleck and Duffy or Brooks alongside him I think Lundstram is a decent option. He's also a young lad, and only just taking a step up. Hope we can at least give him a chance.
 
“Stevens 5/10 - He has been excellent this season but last 4 or 5 games his standards have declined sharply. Attacking wise his threat has been non existent and he barely got over half way today. When he did he hits the first man or gives it away. Defensively he has been sloppy and givign his man way too much room. They put in so many unopposed crosses from his side”.

To be honest I think it started before the last 4/5 games. His threat going forwards has deteriorated month on month and his marking is very poor at times - he’s your classic ball-watcher, as demonstrated today. The bad news is that I’m not sure who else would find in, it’s definitely a position that needs strengthening in
January.

Sadly we need a central midfielder, a centre back a striker more. We wont have funds to be improving everywhere. You are right though. Stevens dip in form has been quite alarming.
 
Totally agree with the latter point, as a three they were awful. Bash and Lundstram are far too similar types of players in that role.

Lunny is a defensive midfielder, he's never going to do the flashy stuff but his contribution is interceptions, tackles, and a neat and tidy recycling of possession. Coutts gave us that plus real creativity, but with Fleck and Duffy or Brooks alongside him I think Lundstram is a decent option. He's also a young lad, and only just taking a step up. Hope we can at least give him a chance.

I do not think Lundstram does that though - make tackles and interceptions. His main play seems to be to get the ball and play a simple sideways pass that often puts centre back or Basham today (did it 3 times) under pressure or try a long diagonal ball. These rarely hit the target.

He is quite limited from what I have seen. i would be tempted to not play him for a few games and try something different. It is not working with him in the role he is. He is not the main reason for the loss but he slows everything down and allows teams to get back.

It is ok giving him a chance but he has started the last 5 games and we have got one point against the now bottom team. We need to shake it up a bit.
 
Ok we weren't great, but i don't think we were quite as bad as all that !

Honestly we were. We did not have a shot on goal all game did we? They dominated individually and colectively. We never kept it for more than 2 passes and lost the battles physically too.

Other than Moore and the young lad's cameo we looked an awful side today. We are not and know most can play much better but that was as bad as anything i have seen under Wilder.
 
I do not think Lundstram does that though - make tackles and interceptions. His main play seems to be to get the ball and play a simple sideways pass that often puts centre back or Basham today (did it 3 times) under pressure or try a long diagonal ball. These rarely hit the target.

He is quite limited from what I have seen. i would be tempted to not play him for a few games and try something different. It is not working with him in the role he is. He is not the main reason for the loss but he slows everything down and allows teams to get back.

It is ok giving him a chance but he has started the last 5 games and we have got one point against the now bottom team. We need to shake it up a bit.

There's no argument that we'd be better of with Coutts, of course we would. But Lundstram is what we have. We do need a deep-lying midfielder in this system and I think Lunny's defensive contribution is better than you acknowledge. I can't deny that his run in the team has coincided with our dip in form, I'm just not convinced yet that he's one of the reasons for it.
 

Is the lack of mention of CCV good or bad?

Forgot he played!

He was ok actually - give him a 6 - nowhere near the worst player. Fannied around with it a few times and then put Moore in the crap with a back pass but not sure he did too much wrong defensively.
 
Honestly we were. We did not have a shot on goal all game did we? They dominated individually and colectively. We never kept it for more than 2 passes and lost the battles physically too.

Other than Moore and the young lad's cameo we looked an awful side today. We are not and know most can play much better but that was as bad as anything i have seen under Wilder.

Everyone including Tufty agrees with you Deadbat, maybe i'm comparing it with much worse i.e. Adkins etc :)
 
Didn't go today but deadbat usually calls it about right. If I'd been PNE looking at that starting 11 I'd have thought there's ony Clarke and occasionally Sharp if he remembers his form to worry about, the rest can't shoot for toffee so don't worry about them, let them have the ball and mark those two tight and break on them. We have been rumbled. We have a team effectively of nine defenders and only one and a half who can shoot and this is the root cause of the problem, no credible threat for others to worry about. We don't need anymore defenders and pass in triangle midfielders going nowhere in Jan but some who are capable of a shot on goal or a run into the box, even if they are youngsters from below, some ucker who can shoot and cause a threat so the pressure is not all on Leon and the fast fading Billy.
 
That is the big worry for me. Our current midfield outside of Duffy do not get in behind the strikers or run off them ;I include Fleck in that. For us to have maybe 3 or 4 goals from the midfield all season is appalling even for the talent we have such as Duffy and Fleck.
 
Everyone including Tufty agrees with you Deadbat, maybe i'm comparing it with much worse i.e. Adkins etc :)

If that was an Adkins performance there would have been meltdown on here. I said in the week how I love watching United play and how they go about things at the moment. Today we were not only rubbish but boring to watch. No skill, no running with the ball, noone trying things. It was an insipid and quite cowardly performance. Noone gambled; noone ran with the ball. Noone tried to drive at players and noone put a tackle in all day. It was like a jog around in Graves Park.
 
If that was an Adkins performance there would have been meltdown on here. I said in the week how I love watching United play and how they go about things at the moment. Today we were not only rubbish but boring to watch. No skill, no running with the ball, noone trying things. It was an insipid and quite cowardly performance. Noone gambled; noone ran with the ball. Noone tried to drive at players and noone put a tackle in all day. It was like a jog around in Graves Park.

It was better than an Adkins performance, maybe you've completely erased them from memory :D
 
A like because we were crap but still a bit harsh. Rip the midfield out of a team and you will struggle. When I heard Duffy was out too that put the knockers on it. You're right though we have no strength in depth. I expected a struggle when injuries suspensions hit in the winter months. No back up or plan B that will be our undoing. And it was bloody freezing. I can only compare it to Bristol City in December a few years ago when Porter got sent off and we lost 3.0. Not quite as bad as that but apart from Leon's one on one which I think was ruled offside in second half we didn't create anything. We need Duffy and fleck back. We have no back up. Strange away day as I got to Preston early and drank in wetherspoons twelve tellers and Yates but did not notice any blades at all until I got to the ground. Glad to be on the train out of it.
 
No real surprise from today for me. Take Duffy, Fleck and Coutts out of our side and we looked like a League One team. Never really expected much today with that midfield three, and no Brooks as a potential creative outlet.

Not reading too much into that game apart from that we will probably struggle through the next few games too and it would be a truly difficult season with all four (!) of those players unavailable every week.

Ah well, be January soon.
 
Robinson looked like a useful player for them. Didn’t realise Preston had standout prospects. Or maybe we just made him look like a world beater today.
 
Thought we the better side first half to be fair...2nd half they were far better,and we were outplayed...Our midfield was not only Couttsless and Fleckless,but clueless..the likes of the 4 Pearson and Johnson along with the kid in Orange boots were far better and we had no answer.
Truth is,we are missing to many players...to not have any of Coutts,Fleck and Duffy is bound to have an effect...and no Brooks...thought we could have done with him today.
No complaints,Preston deserved the win.
Good to see the young lad Regan Slater come on...and he did quite well,and didn't look out of place.
 
Listened to it on Radio Sheffield. Edwards was complimentary about the performance 1st half but got very critical once we went behind. He thought Preston were poor , negatve and "there for the taking"

My biggest question remains " why is Wright not the first name on the team sheet". Rather than compare Lumdsteam's presence to results, Wright's record is outstanding. Stearman is an inadequate preferred choice IMO.

Most clubs get tested by injuries, suspensions etc. but this period is severe for us by any standards. I'm afraid to say our summer recruits are not delivering when needed most. Blackman, Stevens, Vickers, Lundstram, Carruthers (JTW), Thomas, Hennigan, Baldock, Stearman, Donaldson, as a group will be disappointing our manager and that worries me. Recruitment in the coming JTW has to be much better. Real added value needs to be added to last season's squad for us to maintain levels throughout the season. Our Chief Scout has been with us long enough to make a bigger difference this window and hopefully the budget will be all that Wilder hopes for. My view is we need 3 meaningful additions that's all. Wilder deserves backing. We also need to move away certain players and I'm sure we will. BTW Whiteman would be a big asset and is available or should be on the half season loan. He's better than yesterday's central midfield 3, no doubt about that.

Thanks Deadbat and if you could message me about any safe feed available I'd be grateful;)
 
The fact that you have given one of our strikers a 6.5 and the other a 2 tells it’s own, premeditated story.

IMHO.

UTB
 
Lundstram and Carruthers will be going through personal 'hell' at present. From the best player at their respective clubs they are becoming 'whipping boys' and the severity is way over the top.

These lads are victlms of a harsh set of circumstances besetting the team. I vould point to Stearman's record pre and post his injury and make a case that he is the weakest link, what's the point?

We are all in it together and the manager will know his winners and losers both now and the characters for the future. Those not required will mobe on but let's support them wjile they are with us and remember Leon Clarke was a target last season!!
 
Ok we weren't great, but i don't think we were quite as bad as all that !
No me neither. Preston NE weren't great and if it hadn't been for that sloppy, sloppy goal, it could have been us coming away with the three points and considering how many first teamers were out, that would have been a great result and ugly could gave been the turning point. Unfortunately, that was not to be, so onwards to Villa.
 

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