Please don't get over excited

[Northyorksblade]

So we lost one nil with ten men for half the game. Not exactly a rout against third in the table

 

[SwissBlade]

He told you not to get excited!

But come on, who listened?

We may have played with an unchanged team (first time this season?)

But we concede after 3 mins, lose our full back and then our most exciting winger (sat's team of the week) ends up playing at right back, we manage to keep it to 1-0 until we regroup at half time...

Then numbnuts up front gets sent off!

Whats the point in playing Ward at Fullback, why not keep Quim off the field.

So I ask you, what was wrong to say warn about getting excited after 1 decent performance, when we blow it a few days later?

I'll be interested to know what those that went thought of the way we played, sounded long, disjointed hooof again!

But lets not get excited, its only a defeat to Forest, we'll draw at Peterborough and win narrowly at home to Plymouth.

 

[WorkingtonBlade]

None the less, I don't see that we can be said to have 'blown it', as some have described it, by losing at Forest. Does the win against Bristol C become irrelevant? Did those who were pleased with the win on Saturday declare that we would now certainly beat Forest and the world would change? Of course not. Hardly anyone thought we would beat Forest. The performance against Bristol C never suggested that.

What the performance did suggest was that Blackwell is prepared to have his teams play some football, and that he recognises that we actually have some players capable of doing something more imaginative than we had been doing so far this season, and given that people had become disillusioned with the style of football, that was important.

I thought Blackwell would change the side tonight, to something more defensive, and more direct. It wouldn't have been a popular decision (and would have caused him to get lambasted if we lost), but given the fixture and our current fragility when playing anything more expansive, it would probably have been the approach most likely to grab us a point.

My only worry from what happened tonight is that Blackwell was too much affected by possible fans reaction. Under Blackwell we have had a better record away from home than I have been used to in my years of supporting United. In his time with Leeds they also had a good away record. I think Blackwell has some ideas of the tactics needed to pick up points away from home, and while I'm pleased that he appears to have listened to criticism in the change of approach on Saturday, if we end up in a position where the fans choose the team, we'll get nowhere.

We can't turn into Barcelona overnight. It needs to be gradual, and there will always be compromise. In this division, you need to be able to take a direct approach, as well as being able to pass the ball, and there will be games when a mostly direct approach works best.

 

[Rustyblade]

Or maybe an approach where we possibly manage a few more than 2 attempts on goal in the entire fucking match.

 

[happyhippy]

Micalijo gets berated for telliong fans not to get carried away. First game after our great performance we blow it. What's the stats at the moment, 1 shot on target? Never been in the game, never looked like scoring.

He was quite right to point out that Bristol were poor and our honey moon might soon be over. But oh no no, he's miserable, he's a sad twat and la de da. What do you have to say now Hippy and Judge? Happy with that performance? We'll bounce back in the next game? One game after the mighty win we fall flat on our faces. Tougher opposition and we are clueless of how to break them down. But of course it was ridiculous of Micalijo to point out that beating Bristol, 1 goal in 5 not won in their last 9 games, might not be a true signal of how we are progressing.

Would you like to have a look at my posts? Did I say that Bristol City were terrible? Yes, oddly enough I did.

Did I doubt that we'd play as such last night? I didn't even pass comment.

Learn to sodding read, and grow a pair of balls. The lot of you.

Including the women.

 

[happyhippy]

Yep - looks like the bubble has burst!!

Don't worry, I'll find another one.

Forgot to quote this. Says it all really.

 

[happyhippy]

And you're like the drunken saddo that resorts to mindless abuse because someone has posted a comment on a football forum.

And 'drunken saddo' isn't a form of mindless abuse? Physician, heal thyself.

I didn't, and don't neccesarily disagree with much of what you said. I just really think it's incredibly anally retentive to complain after our best performance of the season. You're like a hypochondriac looking for illnesses to cure.

Tonight seems to be more of a night to complain. Not when the side had actually done something constructive. Do you not see the difference?

 

[happyhippy]

I find all this name calling abosultely pathetic. Insults raning from telling someone to fuck off and saying you'll shag their wife to implying they are a manic depressive is just out of order. To be honest the culprits just look like planks and by calling someone a twat, wanker, neanderthal etc only present themselves as one. But this is not the point. The point is that people shouldn't be subjected to personal abuse.

Unless they're called Kevin Blackwell. Then I'd imagine you'd more than agree.

I actually think that Micalijo had quite a good point. Based on the evidence we should not be getting carried away. We beat a poor team in a one off exceptional performance. Does anyone remember getting excited when we convingly beat Palace at home? People started getting excited abut the football we played, Williamson and Harper in the middle of the park etc, only for us to be shit and negative in the next game at QPR!?

Who got excited? Who got carried away? Who got carried away on Saturday? What I seriously object to is the bloke who revels in misery about what should be our couple of hours or so of enjoyment. We get precious little enjoyment just now, so seeing Eey-ore's thread pissed me off.

People may think that I'm just sticking up for Micalijo because he is a fellow 'knocker' but this is not the case. I would do the same for a so called 'clapper'. The lack of respect for peoples opinions is awful.

And this polarisation is one of the reasons why the atmosphere is so 'toxic'. It's like a BNP debate. If you're not a knocker, you love Blackie. There is no middle ground, at least as far as those who loathe our manager are concerned. When push comes to shove, he's here, and is going to be for a bit. Enjoy one bloody day.

Oddly enough, I have major problems with Blackwell. Always did, still do. Surprised? I hope you are. You complain about the lack of respect for other people's opinions, yet do not understand that others will have differing emotions and/or opinions.

To be honest, I find a lot of Micalijo's threads and posts a little monotenous. If I want to debate I do so, but sometimes I ignore it because I think it doesn't warrant a reply. I am not getting all high and mighty, because many posters do the same. It's just a few spoiling it for anyone else. I can be controversial and from tiume to time upset people with my outspoke views, but i always try to (attempt to) tear people's arguments up in a constructive manner and avoid being personal and insultive.

Were there any rational point to the OP, I wouldn't have got annoyed, but if you think that I'm going to sit back and let someone who seems to think the Black Death is upon again go without question, you have another thing coming.

 

[Grecian2000]

We can't turn into Barcelona overnight. It needs to be gradual

Well we've got the red stripes.

I think I'll start taking Spanish lessons as step 2.

 

[Ollessendro]

Would you like to have a look at my posts? Did I say that Bristol City were terrible? Yes, oddly enough I did.

Did I doubt that we'd play as such last night? I didn't even pass comment.

Learn to sodding read, and grow a pair of balls. The lot of you.

Including the women.

Been drinking again have we??!

I have read your posts thank you very much. However, I shall no longer pay any attention to what is in them. There are plenty of intelligent people on this forum and I'll allow them to make a judgement on what they think about both you and I.

You tell me to grow a pair of balls, which makes me laugh. Real me (with real balls) are the one's who admit they made a mistake, that they got it wrong and come out and say sorry. The simple fact is that you were out of order in the way you treated Micalijo. Have you got the balls to come out and apologise and say that you shouldn't have started abusing him???

You say that I am unwilling to accept other people opinions and polarise things, which is completely untrue. I used the term 'knockers' in inverted commers to emphasise my point. I might be labelled as a knocker, but I want what is best for ther club and would love Blackwell to prove me wrong. Actually, I have to say that now I have absolutely no interest in your opinion.

This is all I'm going to say on the matter. I'm not going to wait with bated breath for you to come back with another angr, drunken and possibly abusive e-mail. Nor am I willing to get into a slanging match. I won't read your response, or any probably not any of your other posts again.

 

[Ollessendro]

None the less, I don't see that we can be said to have 'blown it', as some have described it, by losing at Forest. Does the win against Bristol C become irrelevant? Did those who were pleased with the win on Saturday declare that we would now certainly beat Forest and the world would change? Of course not. Hardly anyone thought we would beat Forest. The performance against Bristol C never suggested that.

What the performance did suggest was that Blackwell is prepared to have his teams play some football, and that he recognises that we actually have some players capable of doing something more imaginative than we had been doing so far this season, and given that people had become disillusioned with the style of football, that was important.

I thought Blackwell would change the side tonight, to something more defensive, and more direct. It wouldn't have been a popular decision (and would have caused him to get lambasted if we lost), but given the fixture and our current fragility when playing anything more expansive, it would probably have been the approach most likely to grab us a point.

My only worry from what happened tonight is that Blackwell was too much affected by possible fans reaction. Under Blackwell we have had a better record away from home than I have been used to in my years of supporting United. In his time with Leeds they also had a good away record. I think Blackwell has some ideas of the tactics needed to pick up points away from home, and while I'm pleased that he appears to have listened to criticism in the change of approach on Saturday, if we end up in a position where the fans choose the team, we'll get nowhere.

We can't turn into Barcelona overnight. It needs to be gradual, and there will always be compromise. In this division, you need to be able to take a direct approach, as well as being able to pass the ball, and there will be games when a mostly direct approach works best.

Whilst I appreciate your sentiments Workington, I think there is more to it than just being beaten by 3rd in the league. On the face of things, you'd say losing 1 nil to 3rd in the league away isn't the end of the world. BUT the point is that many fans think Bristol was a one off. When have we played like that this season? Palace at home and maybe QPR away in the cup? It was positive (yet highly frustrating) to see that we can play football like we did against Bristol. However, if you take into account dire perfromances against Derby, West brom and Watford recently then you wonder if things aren't right. The point is that after seemingly getting our season back on track we've won 1 in 6. Yes that performance was very good, but the results (and performances) in the other games have simply not been good enough for promotion/play offs.

 

[SwissBlade]

Forgot to quote this. Says it all really.

Without wanting to fight Micalijo's corner, He seems to do this well enough anyway, this quote was no doubt partly in jest.

But why is it wrong?

So Micalijo wants us to emulate teams that he believes play good football, get results and have a manager that he likes. Whats wrong with that. I didn't think Robins has been at Barnsley long enough to agree that he is a good comparison, but I get his point.

So he wants to compare us to another now? Great Idea.

Perhaps its a British or Sheffield thing, we sit by and idley see our industry go to the wall, blame the government, blame everyone and yet all the while, the rest of the world has progressed and hey presto our car/ steel industy has collapsed. So we just sit back and complain.

I think its only right that we strive to progress, always looking over our shoulder at our neighbours, because if we don't we'll soon be sat behind them, complaining and wondering where it all went wrong.

It doesn't always mean that our neighbours will do better than us, but as long as we're not too arrogant to think we'll always be the best then we'll do ok.

If you want proof of this, just look at the effect of Wenger in the English game. One man's methods have transformed the approach to the game.

 

[Linz]

Gentlemen.

I have already told you to stop making things personal.

Any more from anybody and this thread will be locked.

 

[SwissBlade]

Gentlemen.

I have already told you to stop making things personal.

Any more from anybody and this thread will be locked.

I actually think, in between the jibes and insults, this has been one of the best threads on the forum for a while so it would be a shame to get it closed for childish insults.

The point at present is that the club is undergoing changes on and off the field. And understandably us fans are restless for many reasons, based on the point of view you hold.

Micalijo was spot on to say what he said on Saturday, perhaps he could have let the dust settle for a day so that we could enjoy a much belated win and performance. But in reality it reminded us that it was just the one game and that no matter how good it was (for those that witnessed it) we'd come crashing back to earth on Tuesday if we didn't keep our finger on the pulse.

 

[Ollessendro]

^^^^^
Amen brother

 

[Linz]

I actually think, in between the jibes and insults, this has been one of the best threads on the forum for a while so it would be a shame to get it closed for childish insults.

I concur, which is why I have been loathe to be too harsh on the perpetrators (there had been some tit for tat by the time I started reading and I was happy to leave it at that).

However, there is no excuse for it to continue and I'm sure you can all debate your points of view without it.

 

[happyhippy]

Well we've got the red stripes.

I think I'll start taking Spanish lessons as step 2.

Catalan might be a better idea.

 

[happyhippy]

Been drinking again have we??!

I have read your posts thank you very much. However, I shall no longer pay any attention to what is in them. There are plenty of intelligent people on this forum and I'll allow them to make a judgement on what they think about both you and I.

You tell me to grow a pair of balls, which makes me laugh. Real me (with real balls) are the one's who admit they made a mistake, that they got it wrong and come out and say sorry. The simple fact is that you were out of order in the way you treated Micalijo. Have you got the balls to come out and apologise and say that you shouldn't have started abusing him???

No, I shan't. I was damned annoyed about what he wrote. We disagree, so let's leave it as that.

You say that I am unwilling to accept other people opinions and polarise things, which is completely untrue. I used the term 'knockers' in inverted commers to emphasise my point. I might be labelled as a knocker, but I want what is best for ther club and would love Blackwell to prove me wrong. Actually, I have to say that now I have absolutely no interest in your opinion.

And hereby hangs a tale. If you look through what I've said all along, I have major misgivings about Blackwell. In point of fact, I agree with a lot of what is said with regard to Blackwell. Perhaps you, Micalijo and I have similar opinions in a lot of areas.

I just don't wan't to hear that the Vikings are coming after OUR side had put in a decent shift. As for polarisation, it is increasingly apparent that those who don't actively boo/berate players/management/the world in general are seen to be 'sympathisers'.

This is why I made the comparison to the BNP type debates. There is no middle ground at all. If you can't see that, then there really is no reasoned debate at all.

This is all I'm going to say on the matter. I'm not going to wait with bated breath for you to come back with another angr, drunken and possibly abusive e-mail. Nor am I willing to get into a slanging match. I won't read your response, or any probably not any of your other posts again.

Why? Because you think I disagree with you? I've agreed with many of the people who have negative feelings just now. I do as well. All the more reason not to piss us off when we've actually got something to enjoy, no matter how many straws are clutched. I disagreed with the bubble bursting and the constant negativity. It wasn't, and isn't needed.

 

[SwissBlade]

Happy Hippy et al

I think you read something into Micalijo's first post that wasn't there. Yes he's always very anti Blackwell, but I think that first post was very carefully worded. If one of the so called "clappers" like myself had posted the same, would you and so many others have reacted in the same way? I doubt it.

If you read that first post on face value, it was bang on the money on Saturday night and its bang on the money now after the forest game.

So whats the issue? Don't us "clappers" like to face facts? That Forest was always going to be a tough game even after playing a poor Brizzle?

I didn't go to either game, so can't really comment on the matches, but he said that Geary and Kallio frighten him. Incidentally, all the reports i've read suggest that those two players were poor against Forest, even before Del's Injury.

The point is (and I'll repeat it again) that we're not stable at the moment, we don't have the playing resources to compete with the February fixture list. 1st team is strong on its day, but take out players from Defence and Midfield and we're considerably weaker. Or like Forest, players have to play at less than 100%

You and many others can call Micalijo and the rest out all you want but we need to accept that one win/ performance doesn't signal a promotion push and on that token we need to enjoy the moment, but also bear in mind that we shouldn't get carried away and call for the manager's head at every defeat or claim we're the best team in the league after a win (at the two extremes)

I'd say a sense of realism is the best asset that any Blade could have at the moment!