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Do we need patrons, if it wasn't for this ched shitstorm I would never have known we had so many patrons or who they were. To me they strike me as "celebrity blades", doing no more for the club than we do every week. Nothing against them in particular but they're importance seems only to serve the national press at the moment so I would have to question how our "patrons" have served our club.
 



ScoobBlade said:
Do we need patrons, if it wasn't for this ched shitstorm I would never have known we had so many patrons or who they were. To me they strike me as "celebrity blades", doing no more for the club than we do every week. Nothing against them in particular but they're importance seems only to serve the national press at the moment so I would have to question how our "patrons" have served our club.
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Yep the latest one is Paul Heaton. Saw his 'performance' on C4 News earlier.

His basic premise is Ched Evans can come back and play football so long as it is not for Sheffield United. Well at least we now know their argument.
Given that his former manager is closer to home at Barnsley one suspects it is ok for Evans to play for them.

The thing everyone forgets about Evans is a) he hasn't played for 2.5 years so the chance that he will replicate that form is pretty slim and b) I can't think of anyone who has been inside has come back out and picked up where they left off. Interesting seeing what happened to MacDonald afterwards. I suspect now Evans will enjoy the same fate.
 
I propose that the next four Blades Superdraw winners automatically become the replacement patrons..............................................all in favour say aye!

The prize fund can then be diverted to the striker fund, it's a win win. ;)
 
Yeah. What is a Patron, what do they do, can we get rid ?
 



celebrity season tickets are the same as a normal one but instead of 'season ticket holder' it says 'patron'. that's the only difference i think :D
 
ScoobBlade said:
Do we need patrons, if it wasn't for this ched shitstorm I would never have known we had so many patrons or who they were. To me they strike me as "celebrity blades", doing no more for the club than we do every week. Nothing against them in particular but they're importance seems only to serve the national press at the moment so I would have to question how our "patrons" have served our club.
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Good point Scoob.

It's worth mentioning that these patrons ARE NOT patrons of the football club. They are patrons of a charity - the Community Foundation.

The Community Foundation, and the fantastic work that they do, is being hit hard by all of this.

I think it would have been nice for a patron to actually stand up and say 'I'm a patron of the foundation, not SUFC. As such I back the foundation in the work that it does and acknowledge that they have f' all influence on first time matters', however they haven't.... Their prerogative of course.
 
Charity patrons generally don't do an awful lot. Their main role is to lend credibility to whatever charity they're patrons of, so people are comfortable with giving to the charity. They normally don't get involved with the running of the charity itself.
 
Highbury_Blade said:
Charity patrons generally don't do an awful lot. Their main role is to lend credibility to whatever charity they're patrons of, so people are comfortable with giving to the charity. They normally don't get involved with the running of the charity itself.
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The patrons in this case may attend the odd fundraising event, turn up now again at some of the work the charity is doing and that is about it.

The running of the charity is overseen by the trustees (normally on a voluntary basis) http://www.sufc-community.com/ui/content/content.aspx?ID=253
 
Interested to hear Heatons take on Ched should be allowed to play football but not at the place of work he was at before he was convicted. What's his take then on musicians who have been convicted of serious sexual offences being re-habilitated ?, say for instance Boy George. The BBC obviously thought the best way was for him to be allowed to sing on their flagship light entertainment programme ( I use the term sing loosely, maybe croak would have been a better description).
 
crucialkneeligaman said:
Interested to hear Heatons take on Ched should be allowed to play football but not at the place of work he was at before he was convicted. What's his take then on musicians who have been convicted of serious sexual offences being re-habilitated ?, say for instance Boy George. The BBC obviously thought the best way was for him to be allowed to sing on their flagship light entertainment programme ( I use the term sing loosely, maybe croak would have been a better description).
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Boy George is an interesting one actually. Here's what he judge said when the Probabtion service objected to him appearing in I'm a celebrity

"I consider that right-thinking members of the public would take the view that an offender serving the non-custodial part of a sentence of imprisonment should not be allowed to take part in a high profile, controversial television production, promoting his status as a celebrity and with considerable financial gain," Mr Justice Bean said.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8428048.stm
 
Yes, it irks me that statements made refer to Patrons of the club and not patrons of the Community Foundation - but that wouldn't be as sensational a story and fuel the misconceptions people have formed.

To my mind Paul Heaton has made this statement on the back of him being back in the charts according to one article on the web today and performing around the country. It appears that he has stated that the fee he earns from his next gig in Sheffield will be donated to the Sheffield Rape Crisis fund.
I surmise that
a) I reckon he would have been as quiet as a church mouse if it wasn't going to potentially affect him, materially, by association
b) as a former hoolie I'm sure he never inflicted any harm or mental hurt on anyone so he is fully qualified to take a higher moral stance
c) why isn't the fee being donated to the Rhyl Rape Crisis (or nearest) - where the offence occurred or does he think that Evans is going to be a predatory offender in Sheffield, next?
d) has he been attacked on Twitter since - like Jess Ennis - and been threatened with a close encounter with Mr Evans?

Just shows how difficult this situation has become by how people are distancing themselves from any association with Evans.
It's going to be a minefield for months and years to come - whoever takes him on will get seriously pilloried.
I think there is too much baggage for SUFC to do it - we would be slaughtered for years - and it will affect player recruitment in the future - so just for that reason we should prod it back into the gutter with a pointy stick and leave it well alone.
 
Forgive me if I've got this wrong but........

Said patrons appear to be "celebrities" or people in the public eye who are willing to have their name connected with the community programme as it helps their personal profile as it's linked to charity fundraising. However, as soon as anything impacts their personal profile like this, they withdraw their name.

Maybe I'm being cynical about this but it strikes me that they were doing this purely to keep themselves in the public eye rather than to help raise money for charitable / community causes because the only people they are hurting by resigning is those who need help raising money. the word selfish doesn't begin to describe them IMO.

I've never had any time for any form of celebrity as it's clear that they all do whatever they do only for themselves not for the benefit of others and this doesn't change my opinion. For example, s club 7 "give up their time" to appear on children in need for charity???? Big shock, the week after appearing from the dead they're planing a tour. Hmmm.
 
Highbury_Blade said:
Boy George is an interesting one actually. Here's what he judge said when the Probabtion service objected to him appearing in I'm a celebrity



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8428048.stm
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1+1=3 or Apples and Oranges

Boy George out on the Prisoner Early release scheme, which had very different licence conditions e.g Home Detention Curfew / Electronic Tagging as opposed to Ched's Automatic Conditional Release.
That was why the Probation service objected and won in BG case.
 
Chalk this one up as "It probably seemed like a good idea at the time"...

http://www.sufc-community.com/ui/content/content.aspx?id=271

"The stars come out for United’s community work
It’s a line-up any football club would be proud of…

Film, television and music personalities, sporting stars and names as well as well-known former players have been revealed as the new Patrons of Sheffield United’s re-launched charitable community programme the Sheffield United Community Foundation.

The line-up features film and television star Sean Bean; Beautiful South front man Paul Heaton; Dronfield-based singer Dave Berry; Sky Sports News presenter Charlie Webster; former Blades and England players Brian Deane and Alan Hodgkinson plus fans ‘favourite and former captain Bob Booker; boxing trainers Brendan Ingle and Glynn Rhodes; Sheffield-based food and health expert Lyndsay Graham; United Academy-based and China’s most successful snooker player Ding Junhui and two-time world squash champion Nick Matthew.

In addition, renowned television star and Monty Python star Michael Palin has accepted a role as Friend of the Foundation.

Mark Todd, the recently appointed new head of the Community Foundation, said: “We have brought together a remarkable line-up of new Patrons all with strong Sheffield connections with the aim of developing our community work across the city region.”

United’s community programme has helped more than 130,000 individuals in recent years and under its new name has exciting plans to grow the charity and its diverse work in the communities of Sheffield city region.

A celebration of the unveiling of the new patrons was held at the home game against Swindon Town on 13th April 2013.
Glyn Rhodes MBE, Charlie Webster, Ding Junhui, Lyndsay Graham and Alan Hodgkinson MBE were special guests of the Foundation and represented the other patrons at the formal unveiling.
The club’s Chairman, Mr Kevin McCabe, The Chair of the Trustees Mr. Mike Blundell, SUFC Operations Director Dave McCarthy and the Head of Community Foundation Mark Todd extended their welcome to the Patrons on behalf of the club and the Foundation.
The Patrons were introduced to an appreciative crowd prior to the kick off and were there to witness a first win for caretaker manager Chris Morgan:
For full details of the Patrons click here "
 
him behind you said:
Forgive me if I've got this wrong but........

Said patrons appear to be "celebrities" or people in the public eye who are willing to have their name connected with the community programme as it helps their personal profile as it's linked to charity fundraising. However, as soon as anything impacts their personal profile like this, they withdraw their name.

Maybe I'm being cynical about this but it strikes me that they were doing this purely to keep themselves in the public eye rather than to help raise money for charitable / community causes because the only people they are hurting by resigning is those who need help raising money. the word selfish doesn't begin to describe them IMO.

I've never had any time for any form of celebrity as it's clear that they all do whatever they do only for themselves not for the benefit of others and this doesn't change my opinion. For example, s club 7 "give up their time" to appear on children in need for charity???? Big shock, the week after appearing from the dead they're planing a tour. Hmmm.
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There's a Geldof thread somewhere on here, on which you could vent further on the subject of celebrities, charidee and the cynical way it's used.
 
SouthEssexBlade said:
There's a Geldof thread somewhere on here, on which you could vent further on the subject of celebrities, charidee and the cynical way it's used.
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I've just read your pos
him behind you said:
Forgive me if I've got this wrong but........

Said patrons appear to be "celebrities" or people in the public eye who are willing to have their name connected with the community programme as it helps their personal profile as it's linked to charity fundraising. However, as soon as anything impacts their personal profile like this, they withdraw their name.

Maybe I'm being cynical about this but it strikes me that they were doing this purely to keep themselves in the public eye rather than to help raise money for charitable / community causes because the only people they are hurting by resigning is those who need help raising money. the word selfish doesn't begin to describe them IMO.

I've never had any time for any form of celebrity as it's clear that they all do whatever they do only for themselves not for the benefit of others and this doesn't change my opinion. For example, s club 7 "give up their time" to appear on children in need for charity???? Big shock, the week after appearing from the dead they're planing a tour. Hmmm.
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I've only just read your post him behind you.

I think a little clarity might help to put a finger on the pulse of what motivates a patron who happens to be what's known as a celebrity. I'm sure there are commercial incentives for some/many who realise the opportunity that presents itself can impact positively on their careers. Then there'll be a small minority who might be driven by altruistic reasoning, so to lump everyone into the same category as 'career-enhancing gold diggers' (my term, not yours) does a disservice to each and every one of them. We all have motives, and my take is that irrespective of their intentions what matters is that by contributing to a worthy cause it might help generate income for the cause in question. Ultimately that would seem to be all that matters to me. But the fact that someone whose capacity to capitalise on an opportunity such as this seems distasteful to some. Flipping this particular coin, I wonder how people would feel if a celebrity decided not to become involved for reasons such as being too busy? I imagine they'd then receive flak for not acting in a spirit befitting the cause in question.

As for the supposed negative impacts on our current crop of patrons, whatever they contribute towards the club, the point has been made elsewhere that for someone like Dave Berry, apart from his under the radar activities as a singer (let's be truthful, DB's career is invisible to many people), I don't see how anyone can question his motives for disassociating himself from the role of patron? It could just be that this whole business of Evans possible return to SUFC leaves an unpleasant taste in Berry's mouth.
 



It could be very interesting if it all gets overturned in court, Ched will no longer be referred to as 'The Convicted Rapist Ched Evans'.

A number of high profile people may have to retract their statements.

It could be a lot of fun
 
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