McCabe Interview

[Sean the Blade]

I stand corrected - it's not ad hominem in the fallacious sense, it's just pointless and offensive personal attacks on McCabe. That better?

Much better De g, as for being a pointless, offensive and personal attack, I think you are reading far too much in to what is a bit of fun, as per my previous post

As for the work - GMI Construction Group were the main body responsible for the hotel, academy and Westfield Corner. I'm not aware that McCabe is an owner or shareholder; there are almost certainly disclosure rules which would prevent McCabe channelling money in that fashion anyway without reporting to shareholders. It's not even a sniff, it's just deluded fantasy. Any chance of an apology to McCabe for this slur?

It's perfectly acceptable to challenge where the club is going without having to ccept that there has been some benevolence in what has been done in the past you know. To put it simply, there is no evidence to suggest that McCabe has made any substantial money from the club to date, and it is far from certain that he will in the future.

I wouldn't seriously suggest that KM has made any money from the club, it is damned difficult to make money from a 'big' club, so heaven knows how anyone would do it with us, that is a joke in istelf and I wouldn't think that anyone would would take THAT seriously.

You really have got the closed season blues De g, do you wander round supermarkets bumping in to children just so you can tut at them? Stop being so grumpy...

 

[Bayingblade]

I was going on the loans secured against Tevez and player sales.

How much of these loans have been taken out by Mr McCabe, Len. According to you it's "multi-millions" yet I understand he has taken nothing, in either capital or interest. My source is Kevin McCabe so I will ask again, what is your source and what is it about this source that makes you believe KM is "currently taking out multi-millions"?

 

[lenners]

He hasn't got a source. He will probably say something patronising along the likes of "look in the accounts, laddie", but as somebody who has worked at high levels in the accountancy profession for many years, Len is wrong. The fact that McCabe has publicly stated recently that he hasn't taken a penny out possibly makes Len's comment libellous (Darren - are you still around to confirm?) so our Lennie Boy, as well as being wrong, should also be grateful that we have somebody like McCabe at the helm and not Dave Allen.

Tut tut Len, tilting at windmills again, always the wrong target! You really must do better.

Is the Forsyth Business Centre a charity?

 

[de g.]

Much better De g, as for being a pointless, offensive and personal attack, I think you are reading far too much in to what is a bit of fun, as per my previous post



I wouldn't seriously suggest that KM has made any money from the club, it is damned difficult to make money from a 'big' club, so heaven knows how anyone would do it with us, that is a joke in istelf and I wouldn't think that anyone would would take THAT seriously.

You really have got the closed season blues De g, do you wander round supermarkets bumping in to children just so you can tut at them? Stop being so grumpy...

You sound like my grandfather. He spent much of his latter years being as insulting as possible to everyone; when challenged it was always 'just a joke'. It wasn't - it was childish and attention seeking, and it rapidly lost him the respect of his own family.

I'm clearly not in a minority in finding your joke offensive. Perhaps you ought to ask why?

And like I say, there's no inconsistency in challenging the future direction while accepting that actually, what has happened int he past has been done in good faith and with the perceived best interests of the club at heart.

 

[Sean the Blade]

Well, clearly De g, we are not going to see eye to eye, and as Soton pointed out, this is getting a little Groundhog Day-ish. As for being in a minority or a majority, I really don't care if I happen to fall in either catagory, and I am equally happy to be in the right or wrong (although I do tend to apologise for being in the latter).

Incidently though De g, if you don't mind me asking, did you read some of my earlier posts lampooning SWFC, L Strafford etc in a similar manner, and did you feel the same need to stand up and pen your outrage then? Or, did it simply not matter because it was directed at a target outside our club? I'm not trying to lure you into some sort of (poorly) disguised trap, it is an honest question...

 

[de g.]

Well, clearly De g, we are not going to see eye to eye, and as Soton pointed out, this is getting a little Groundhog Day-ish. As for being in a minority or a majority, I really don't care if I happen to fall in either catagory, and I am equally happy to be in the right or wrong (although I do tend to apologise for being in the latter).

Incidently though De g, if you don't mind me asking, did you read some of my earlier posts lampooning SWFC, L Strafford etc in a similar manner, and did you feel the same need to stand up and pen your outrage then? Or, did it simply not matter because it was directed at a target outside our club? I'm not trying to lure you into some sort of (poorly) disguised trap, it is an honest question...

I don't recall specifically reading it, though I was rather busier at that point.

 

[Wards]

Jeez some of you are a bit touchy aren't you? To label it 'disgraceful' and the like is really narky. Granted it may not be to everyone's taste but at least it's an effort to lighten the mood from the usual 'McCabe should fook off!', 'Monty is shit' and 'New Shirt part 57'.

It somewhat reminds me of a KB training session trying to stamp out and creativity within the ranks

 

[Sean the Blade]

That's fair enough De g, Obviously I don't know if you had read them or not and I wouldn't want to assume either way, it is just that I didn't recall reading any comments by you (although reading my last comment again, it did sound a little accusatory- apologies).

I suppose the point I am making is that I don't just confine my 'humour' to KM, or indeed the club, I am quite happy to 'have a go' at anyone who sticks their head in to the spotlight... including myself!

I am a relatively 'new face' in this forum, some may well know me from others, such as 606, and will know that
a) my ditties are not malicious
and
b) They written with humour intended, not as an afterthought or excuse.

Either way it would seem that what I write will not appeal to you, so, with the greatest of respect, I would suggest you don't read my future material. But that defeats the object of such forums, democracy, because I do genuinely enjoy reading both positive and negative comments.

 

[de g.]

That's fair enough De g, Obviously I don't know if you had read them or not and I wouldn't want to assume either way, it is just that I didn't recall reading any comments by you (although reading my last comment again, it did sound a little accusatory- apologies).

I suppose the point I am making is that I don't just confine my 'humour' to KM, or indeed the club, I am quite happy to 'have a go' at anyone who sticks their head in to the spotlight... including myself!

I am a relatively 'new face' in this forum, some may well know me from others, such as 606, and will know that
a) my ditties are not malicious
and
b) They written with humour intended, not as an afterthought or excuse.

Either way it would seem that what I write will not appeal to you, so, with the greatest of respect, I would suggest you don't read my future material. But that defeats the object of such forums, democracy, because I do genuinely enjoy reading both positive and negative comments.

I'm not the arbiter of what is or is not funny - I'm happy to acknowledge it. And you're right - I probably would not have challenged you on what was being written about Wednesday/Strafford even if I thought it wasn't funny or in poor taste, because I don't care enough about them to do so. I do care when we're doing it to ourselves, particularly when it is unmerited as in this case - in my opinion, which is ever so slightly less humble than that of Lenners, it went quite a way beyond the line between funny and nasty.

While your intention may not have been malicious, it was repeating accusations and insults which are normally the preserve of those who are. For reasons I still struggle to understand there are those who maintain that McCabe's time at Sheffield United has been an unmitigated distaster and I just don't think the evidence shows that, and I don't think that we as fans have any right to dictate to him how he has should spend his money (i.e. by pumping money into the club).

One of the big problems I have with satire and comment from the blogerati (and this is by no means restricted to you) is that the vast majority is unfunny, repetitve and entirely lacking in insight. Worst of all, it is often people drawing tenuous conclusions out of singularly false premises. Your original post made just that mistake, and came across as malicious in doing so. And like I say, I clearly wasn't the only person to react to it in that way.

You can be reassured that if it is just crap, I'll usually ignore it. I'm only likely to respond if it is either a) crap which offends a sensibility I care about enough to challenge it, as in this instance, or b) I'm spoiling for an argument.

For the record, I don't blog for precisely the reason that I don't want to be guilty of what I accuse others of above.

 

[lenners]

de g.
I don't recall the OP declaring McCabe to have been an unmitigated disaster but it was referring to where we are now.
As for whoever it was who asked where we'd be without McCabe, one answer might be not in £50m of debt.

 

[JohnDenver]

de g.
I don't recall the OP declaring McCabe to have been an unmitigated disaster but it was referring to where we are now.
As for whoever it was who asked where we'd be without McCabe, one answer might be not in £50m of debt.

So is he taking millions out?

 

[beightonblade]

So is he taking millions out?

You'll know when he's left..................

Wuder if it will be like the mess the labour loonies have left ?

 

[de g.]

de g.
I don't recall the OP declaring McCabe to have been an unmitigated disaster but it was referring to where we are now.
As for whoever it was who asked where we'd be without McCabe, one answer might be not in £50m of debt.

It's not rocket science, Lenners...

Debt levels alone are meaningless - lesser clubs have been wound up over a couple of hundred thousand. What have we got for our debt, and how sustainable is it in the long and short term?

As for McCabe, give me your alternate reality:
It's the summer of 1999, we've just lost our chairman (Colombotti) following his attempts to sue the club, the previous chairman (McDonald) still has 10% of the shares and isn't going away quietly. We're four months away from 8,965 supporters turn up for a home league defeat against Port Vale.

What better alternative was there?

 

[Worksop II]

My belief is, like I say, that he hasn't actually taken anything out yet, be it interest or capital. So what is your source?

I thought it was well known McCabe is taking the Tevez Money out of the Club, £5 Million last January, should be another £5 Million due soon, in and out again.

 

[Vancouver]

I thought it was well known McCabe is taking the Tevez Money out of the Club, £5 Million last January, should be another £5 Million due soon, in and out again.

It's 'alleged' that he's doing that however I'm not sure there is any evidence what-so-ever to support this.

I think the people who think McCabe has been bad for the club clearly don't remember the Breerly days.

 

[shorehamview]

With regards to the original post, lost somewhere in all the jabber about McCabe either taking money out or not, it was an attempt at humour. I didn't find it pant-wettingly hilarious, but neither was it somewhere along the lines of the inane shite we used to get on Saturday teatimes on BBC1 from the likes of Little And Large. Rather like the pretend American chaps missives, it was okay, but not exactly earth-shattering.

I rather expected it to die a death, but it's interesting to see that once again a thread has degenerated into an "I know what McCabe is really doing, he's lying to us all and you suckers believe it" argument.

 

[lenners]

It's not rocket science, Lenners...

Debt levels alone are meaningless - lesser clubs have been wound up over a couple of hundred thousand. What have we got for our debt, and how sustainable is it in the long and short term?

As for McCabe, give me your alternate reality:
It's the summer of 1999, we've just lost our chairman (Colombotti) following his attempts to sue the club, the previous chairman (McDonald) still has 10% of the shares and isn't going away quietly. We're four months away from 8,965 supporters turn up for a home league defeat against Port Vale.

What better alternative was there?

What have we got for our debt? A crap team? I'd have thought £50m in debt ought to have equated to more than one season in the Prem, even more so when you add on the £20m brucie bonus.

 

[Worksop II]

It's 'alleged' that he's doing that however I'm not sure there is any evidence what-so-ever to support this.

I think the people who think McCabe has been bad for the club clearly don't remember the Breerly days.

The Brearly Days, Brian Deane and Tony Agana, years in the Top Division, 6 - nil romps over Spurs, a Top Division Double over Wednesday, and Liverpool, Everton, ManU all beaten at the Lane, now we get defeats by Peterboro.

I should be grateful for McCabe`s Purple Palace at the Corner of John Street and Bramall Lane, and a bit of New Cladding on the Bramall Lane Stand.

 

[de g.]

What have we got for our debt? A crap team? I'd have thought £50m in debt ought to have equated to more than one season in the Prem, even more so when you add on the £20m brucie bonus.

And your alternate reality?

 

[de g.]

The Brearly Days, Brian Deane and Tony Agana, years in the Top Division, 6 - nil romps over Spurs, a Top Division Double over Wednesday, and Liverpool, Everton, ManU all beaten at the Lane, now we get defeats by Peterboro.

I should be grateful for McCabe`s Purple Palace at the Corner of John Street and Bramall Lane, and a bit of New Cladding on the Bramall Lane Stand.

If the Brearley days had continued (remember, he oversaw relegation from the Prem) we'd most likely not have a club right now. I'd rather have cladding than a derelict rusting monument to a club that used to exist.

 

[blades1889]

beightonblade,
you left you united blinkers on?