Managerial style & player improvement

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The recent debate around the types of player we are in the market for got me thinking. Wilder has said that he will pick from a variety of pots, with Stearman and Nathan Thomas coming in at different stages in their career.

Some have questioned bringing in young, promising players from the lower leagues, but to me this is making the assumption that players are a fixed entity with regards to talent/ application/ end-product etc

I would say that whilst of course we can judge them on previous experience, that this is also a question of the type of manager in charge.
Wilder is a type of 'all-in' hands on manager, getting actively involved as much as possible and focused on wringing every last inch of quality from his players. We seem to do well with this type of coaching, as Warnock and Bassett worked in similar ways- picking up unfashionable players from other clubs and encouraging them to raise their game.

There's no reason why, under Wilder, we shouldn't think the same of our signings. If Nathan Thomas, who was headed into the conference only a few months ago, gets a few starts and bangs in 5-10 goals/assists, suddenly becomes a 'quality championship player', worth a considerable amount more than what we paid for him.

This is not to say that other managerial styles don't also have merit. Kendall/Spackman strike me as two mangers with a more 'hands-off' style, who were successful with big name, talented players as they let them play their game and not micro-manage every facet of the team.

I think in Wilder, we have the exact right type of man and managerial style to give us confidence that the quality of our signings at their previous clubs is only the starting point for what we will see on the pitch come next season.
 



You been listening to TalkSport then? They've just been taking about 'old fashioned management'; signing players and coaching them so they improve, like Eddie Howe does.

CW is very much in that mould.
 
I've actually never listened to TalkSport haha

I think this is partially a reaction to the silly amounts of money being thrown around in the modern game. Without a rich benefactor backing your club you need an alternative method for success.. hence the return to old school management techniques, but still taking advantage of the advancements made in tactics/fitness/diet etc in the past decade
 
Every good manager has a coach of the same ilk and nowadays a full backroom staff of coaches and sports scientists. We're no different. Perhaps where we differ under Wilder is that he's put his priorities on getting the players:
- as fit as possible
- as organised as possible
- playing with a huge amount of team spirit and the right attitude

Success comes through hard work and the top two attributes above are not even worth considering unless the players and backroom staff buy into the managers vision.

It's very easy to dismiss Wilders vision as it's not tangible, but it seems that everyone has trusted in Wilder and the results are there for all to see.

I'm a huge critic of what Adkins did, but he had that belief, he tried to get the players onboard but he didn't really know how to get the right blend for league 1 with the squad he had. He was the owners dream because of his record but he didn't, in my mind at least, focus on the hard work aspect. The players were lazy and didn't seem to believe in him.

Wilder in contrast has got rid of anyone that could challenge his regime. In that way I think he's old school. He's taken players like Billy and Basham and got them onboard.

Wilder is old school in some respects and perhaps he doesn't know how to get the players fit or get them organised, but undoubtedly he knows the people to do this, with a blend of old and new. He is a proper manager. He knows what he doesn't know but he knows the people that do know. And it's understanding those factors which can be crucial. Wilder trusts his team from backroom to first team and reserves

In turn they trust in his methods
 
Agree about Adkins, in that ultimately he tried but failed to achieve any cohesion within the squad and that was our downfall last season.

Others may disagree and we will never know, but in another context he may have even been successful with us. I just think he needs certain circumstances to thrive.

Glad we're rid of him though
 
Agree about Adkins, in that ultimately he tried but failed to achieve any cohesion within the squad and that was our downfall last season.

Others may disagree and we will never know, but in another context he may have even been successful with us. I just think he needs certain circumstances to thrive.

Glad we're rid of him though
I don't think Adkins was ever going to be successful at United, he's just the wrong fit for us. For me, he didn't get the club. He certainly didn't prioritise hard work and this is huge to Blades fans
 
I don't think Adkins was ever going to be successful at United, he's just the wrong fit for us. For me, he didn't get the club. He certainly didn't prioritise hard work and this is huge to Blades fans

And he didn't have Les Reed behind the scenes setting up a scouting and youth structure to underpin the whole club!
 
The recent debate around the types of player we are in the market for got me thinking. Wilder has said that he will pick from a variety of pots, with Stearman and Nathan Thomas coming in at different stages in their career.

Some have questioned bringing in young, promising players from the lower leagues, but to me this is making the assumption that players are a fixed entity with regards to talent/ application/ end-product etc

I would say that whilst of course we can judge them on previous experience, that this is also a question of the type of manager in charge.
Wilder is a type of 'all-in' hands on manager, getting actively involved as much as possible and focused on wringing every last inch of quality from his players. We seem to do well with this type of coaching, as Warnock and Bassett worked in similar ways- picking up unfashionable players from other clubs and encouraging them to raise their game.

There's no reason why, under Wilder, we shouldn't think the same of our signings. If Nathan Thomas, who was headed into the conference only a few months ago, gets a few starts and bangs in 5-10 goals/assists, suddenly becomes a 'quality championship player', worth a considerable amount more than what we paid for him.

This is not to say that other managerial styles don't also have merit. Kendall/Spackman strike me as two mangers with a more 'hands-off' style, who were successful with big name, talented players as they let them play their game and not micro-manage every facet of the team.

I think in Wilder, we have the exact right type of man and managerial style to give us confidence that the quality of our signings at their previous clubs is only the starting point for what we will see on the pitch come next season.

With Wilder in charge I now look at a signing/potential signing in two ways - what can I expect from him based on his career so far and what I know about him, and what could he produce under Wilder's management. Last season showed players can be completely different under him, and you trust him to get the best out of just about anybody. This makes any new signing hard to write off and opens up the market for us - there are more players out there now who could come in and perform well for us.

Nathan Thomas is an interesting one. I think we all see him as a squad player, but it looks like he's been given number 8, and if you go back to the first half of last season, he was very impressive for Hartlepool and only an injury interrupted that. He didn't regain that form but you'd imagine he's regained that fitness now, and he'll probably be in better shape than ever after a pre season with us. So you'd think that form from early last season will be the minimum he's capable of producing, in which case he could feature far more than we expect.
 
I don't think Adkins was ever going to be successful at United, he's just the wrong fit for us. For me, he didn't get the club. He certainly didn't prioritise hard work and this is huge to Blades fans
IMHO I think that Adkins saw SUFC as 'just another job' and therefore he talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. You are also bang on when you say he didn't get us, SW. He didn't realise that we were desperate for him to succeed and take The Mighty Blades to where they are now. If he had got us and worked his gonads off like CW has, he woould have gained cult status instead of cu#t status as he has now. I was elated when he came in as I thought that with his past record he must have grafted or he wouldn't have been so succesful. How wrong could I have been! He's gone and thank goodness for that and, fortunately, we have got probably the ONLY real alternative that 'gets us'. Praise be to CW and AK!
 
IMHO I think that Adkins saw SUFC as 'just another job' and therefore he talked the talk but didn't walk the walk. You are also bang on when you say he didn't get us, SW. He didn't realise that we were desperate for him to succeed and take The Mighty Blades to where they are now. If he had got us and worked his gonads off like CW has, he woould have gained cult status instead of cu#t status as he has now. I was elated when he came in as I thought that with his past record he must have grafted or he wouldn't have been so succesful. How wrong could I have been! He's gone and thank goodness for that and, fortunately, we have got probably the ONLY real alternative that 'gets us'. Praise be to CW and AK!
Agree, he seemed to overestimate his ability and underestimate the size of the job. He should have been capable of doing what CW has done. Even if you account for the job being more difficult because we still had a deadwood on contracts, we should have made the playoffs as a minimum.

Like you, I suspect when CW first joined us he was doing eighteen hour days and that Adkins didn't.
 
I don't think Adkins was ever going to be successful at United, he's just the wrong fit for us. For me, he didn't get the club. He certainly didn't prioritise hard work and this is huge to Blades fans
Very true. Who said this about whom?

"All the players thought his training schedules were too punishing and some were physically sick after the first training session. But after a while, they realised it was worth it as we started winning games. He gave us the extra strength and he is the reason we won three successive championships."

I'll give you a clue; they're both legends.
 
A good manager, in whatever field is a manager who can get the best out of his staff and keeping them happy, dosnt matter what your employment is, Wilder seems very good at this, good managers can also go into other jobs and still be successful, good motivators is a skill like any other.
 



From what I have heard Adkins did not put in the hard work. That, combined with his appalling man management and lazy signings, was his downfall.
 

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