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SUFC Guy said:
Love a new positive thread 🤣
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Thems the facts, but some fans still seem to believe we will stay up, based on what ? If we keep PH in charge we will break every record derby set comfortably, we will get fewer than 11 points , lose more than 29 games in a season and concede more than 89
 
Gimli said:
we’ve actually become the embarrassment that other premier league fans said we would be when we first were promoted with Wilder.
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We were actually competing well even in the Wilder relegation season.
The only embarrassing non performance was the 0-5 away at Leicester.
Our problem that season wasn’t general play, it was the struggle to score goals.
We only scored 20 goals in 39 matches.

We also competed well in home matches in the Warnock relegation season…it was the away matches where we were poor.
When knew that when we clicked we feared no team at Bramall Lane and always stood a chance.

It’s been a really difficult season, pre season wasn’t organised properly and we’ve had terrible injuries.
So Hecky is almost fighting a losing battle.

Let’s compare some chapters when up against much better teams fighting a losing battle with little hope.

Warnock response is down to his self delusion and enjoying the role of underdog.
He’s deluded because Warnock always believes his teams can win, no matter who the opposition is.
He has a game plan and makes sure players are positive and up for the battle, even if they were playing Real Madrid away.

Wilders response is passion and anger. He and Warnock are bad losers, that’s what helps make them winners.
Even when up against better opposition Wilder will still have a game plan and ensures his teams give their best.
Remember Wilder a few times saying, he can’t guarantee results but he can guarantee performances where his teams will always try their best.

Hecky response is to face realty and give up before a ball has been kicked.
Can understand this to a degree but a manager can‘t think like that, otherwise that “raise the white” flag mentality transfer over the players.
The season is still young, plenty of matches left, so any new manager needs to work under difficult conditions but still give it their best and go for it.
 
Sheffsteel said:
We were actually competing well even in the Wilder relegation season.
The only embarrassing non performance was the 0-5 away at Leicester.
Our problem that season wasn’t general play, it was the struggle to score goals.
We only scored 20 goals in 39 matches.

We also competed well in home matches in the Warnock relegation season…it was the away matches where we were poor.
When knew that when we clicked we feared no team at Bramall Lane and always stood a chance.

It’s been a really difficult season, pre season wasn’t organised properly and we’ve had terrible injuries.
So Hecky is almost fighting a losing battle.

Let’s compare some chapters when up against much better teams fighting a losing battle with little hope.

Warnock response is down to his self delusion and enjoying the role of underdog.
He’s deluded because Warnock always believes his teams can win, no matter who the opposition is.
He has a game plan and makes sure players are positive and up for the battle, even if they were playing Real Madrid away.

Wilders response is passion and anger. He and Warnock are bad losers, that’s what helps make them winners.
Even when up against better opposition Wilder will still have a game plan and ensures his teams give their best.
Remember Wilder a few times saying, he can’t guarantee results but he can guarantee performances where his teams will always try their best.

Hecky response is to face realty and give up before a ball has been kicked.
Can understand this to a degree but a manager can‘t think like that, otherwise that “raise the white” flag mentality transfer over the players.
The season is still young, plenty of matches left, so any new manager needs to work under difficult conditions but still give it their best and go for it.
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You seem to be suggesting the management team aren't trying and don't plan.

That's disrespectful to the professionalism of the staff.

As for Wilder, he raised the white flag early in the second season.
 
wak1889 said:
Thems the facts, but some fans still seem to believe we will stay up, based on what ? If we keep PH in charge we will break every record derby set comfortably, we will get fewer than 11 points , lose more than 29 games in a season and concede more than 89
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Perhaps it would be wise to revisit that view after 10 more games.
 
Wednesday have still won nearly double the amount of Premier League games we have.

101 to our 53.

And that's with twenty odd years of free reign to catch them up.
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
Wednesday have still won nearly double the amount of Premier League games we have.

101 to our 53.

And that's with twenty odd years of free reign to catch them up.
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Oh no, that’s a disaster.
Do we have a special team of statisticians tasked with dredging up all these depressing nuggets?
 



Hecky's Premier League Record

20/21
P10 W3 D0 L7 GF3 GA18 GD-15 Pts9

23/24
P10 W0 D1 L9 GF7 GA29 GD-22 Pts1

Overall
P20 W3 D1 L16 GF10 GA47 GD-37 Pts10

Overall averaging scoring 1 goal every other game and conceding at least 2 goals every match. Familiar story.
 
I might get some advice from the San Marino fan.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
Hecky's Premier League Record

20/21
P10 W3 D0 L7 GF3 GA18 GD-15 Pts9

23/24
P10 W0 D1 L9 GF7 GA29 GD-22 Pts1

Overall
P20 W3 D1 L16 GF10 GA47 GD-37 Pts10

Overall averaging scoring 1 goal every other game and conceding at least 2 goals every match. Familiar story.
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With that overall PPG record we’re on track to beat Derby’s points tally - I’d take that right now 😭
 
Blade82 said:
With that overall PPG record we’re on track to beat Derby’s points tally - I’d take that right now 😭
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Shame that two of the wins came after we were already relegated, so you can more or less disregard them as the players played with no pressure after it was over.
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
Wednesday have still won nearly double the amount of Premier League games we have.

101 to our 53.

And that's with twenty odd years of free reign to catch them up.
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Think you're forgetting the 6 consecutive years of trying to get out of L1 in this period. We've hardly been top dogs for the full 23 years since they dropped out. Plus if my memory is correct, they had several consecutive seasons in the top flight (1st Division) before it was rebranded. We've waisted a great opportunity to really nail it on them and get some boxes ticked.
 
Still can stay up. Not much happening in terms of points at the bottom.

The bar has to be 4 from 16 under Bassett and we finished 13th I think.

We’re all just waiting for the Christmas Party!
 
Champagneblade said:
Still can stay up. Not much happening in terms of points at the bottom.

The bar has to be 4 from 16 under Bassett and we finished 13th I think.

We’re all just waiting for the Christmas Party!
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The bar is 2 from 17 under Wilder. We finished 20th.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
Shame that two of the wins came after we were already relegated, so you can more or less disregard them as the players played with no pressure after it was over.
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I’m sure that will also be the case again this season. Maybe with more games to to too 😭
 
Sheffsteel said:
We were actually competing well even in the Wilder relegation season.
The only embarrassing non performance was the 0-5 away at Leicester.
Our problem that season wasn’t general play, it was the struggle to score goals.
We only scored 20 goals in 39 matches.

We also competed well in home matches in the Warnock relegation season…it was the away matches where we were poor.
When knew that when we clicked we feared no team at Bramall Lane and always stood a chance.

It’s been a really difficult season, pre season wasn’t organised properly and we’ve had terrible injuries.
So Hecky is almost fighting a losing battle.

Let’s compare some chapters when up against much better teams fighting a losing battle with little hope.

Warnock response is down to his self delusion and enjoying the role of underdog.
He’s deluded because Warnock always believes his teams can win, no matter who the opposition is.
He has a game plan and makes sure players are positive and up for the battle, even if they were playing Real Madrid away.

Wilders response is passion and anger. He and Warnock are bad losers, that’s what helps make them winners.
Even when up against better opposition Wilder will still have a game plan and ensures his teams give their best.
Remember Wilder a few times saying, he can’t guarantee results but he can guarantee performances where his teams will always try their best.

Hecky response is to face realty and give up before a ball has been kicked.
Can understand this to a degree but a manager can‘t think like that, otherwise that “raise the white” flag mentality transfer over the players.
The season is still young, plenty of matches left, so any new manager needs to work under difficult conditions but still give it their best and go for it.
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Warnock never believed we could have a shot away at most teams in the Premier League let alone win. He conceded loads of games the season we went down under him and I think we only scored 9 away goals all season.

Wilder waved the white flag by quitting. Muttering "I can't do this anymore" at Palace wasn't the action of a manager giving it a go.

Hecky has underperformed this season but he's not a shit manager and I don't believe Wilder or Warnock would get a tune from this squad.
 
I used to scoff at Norwich when they got promoted. They would spend no money, inevitably get relegated and trouser the TV money after a miserable season. I thought: I would hate for my club to be so ambitionless. I would hate for my club to give up on the season before it has even begun by spending nothing.

We are now Norwich.
 



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