losses up 1m quid

[Esablade]

Yes, you're correct. They are the wrong set of accounts.

So where can I find the correct set?
Thats what's up on the club website listed as plc documents...they link to SUFC ltd documents...

 

[Sean Thornton]

So where can I find the correct set?
Thats what's up on the club website listed as plc documents...they link to SUFC ltd documents...

I've already said on this thread.

To have an iota of understanding you first need to know the difference between the various companies. Otherwise you end up looking a bit dim.

 

[Esablade]

I've already said on this thread.

To have an iota of understanding you first need to know the difference between the various companies. Otherwise you end up looking a bit dim.

Nice..but not very helpful eh?

'Sheffield United Football Club Ltd is directly owned by Blades Leisure Limited. Blades Leisure Ltd is a jointly owned venture between UTB LLC, a company ultimately owned by HRH Prince Abdulla Bin Mossad Bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud of Riyadh and Sheffield United Plc, the ultimate parent company of which is Scarborough Group International. Scott McCabe and Simon McCabe hold the controlling interest in Scarborough Group International Ltd, with the balance of significant shareholdings being held in trust for Scott McCabe, Simon McCabe and their children.


The operations of Blades Leisure Ltd are focused on professional footballing activities and the operation of sports stadium. Other interests within the group include stewarding services, commercial gym operations and health and safety audit services.'

I'll sort it...no wonder the club's fucked up..

 

[Sean Thornton]

Nice..but not very helpful eh?

'Sheffield United Football Club Ltd is directly owned by Blades Leisure Limited. Blades Leisure Ltd is a jointly owned venture between UTB LLC, a company ultimately owned by HRH Prince Abdulla Bin Mossad Bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud of Riyadh and Sheffield United Plc, the ultimate parent company of which is Scarborough Group International. Scott McCabe and Simon McCabe hold the controlling interest in Scarborough Group International Ltd, with the balance of significant shareholdings being held in trust for Scott McCabe, Simon McCabe and their children.


The operations of Blades Leisure Ltd are focused on professional footballing activities and the operation of sports stadium. Other interests within the group include stewarding services, commercial gym operations and health and safety audit services.'

I'll sort it...no wonder the club's fucked up..

See. You're learning everyday. Understanding it however.......


(There's no Plc anymore )

 

[Esablade]

See. You're learning everyday. Understanding it however.......


(There's no Plc anymore )

I understand well enough what's gone on...
plc!?!?!?...ltd!?!?!?...SUFC website misleadingly out of date? never!

 

[Sean Thornton]

I understand well enough what's gone on...
plc!?!?!?...ltd!?!?!?...SUFC website misleadingly out of date? never!

So why post from it?

Why rely on it for your interest question?

Why why why !

 

[Highbury_Blade]

£2m from Maguire you'd think, as he'd have zero NBV unless they'd capitalised any signing on fees. The rest could be anything and I'd be amazed if there was a book profit on Taylor (residual value £100k-is)

It's a measure how shit we've become, that a player like Andy Taylor, has got a chance of being promoted this season and we haven't.

 

[Darren]

It's a measure how shit we've become, that a player like Andy Taylor, has got a chance of being promoted this season and we haven't.

He's done very well for himself, taking up a football career after Duran Duran's popularity waned; almost as well as Mick Jones who, after a stellar career with United, Leeds and England was ended by injury, became lead guitarist in The Clash.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Isnt it Lyle?

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Isnt it Lyle?

Ah yes good spot, but the point still stands about Andy

 

[blade too long]

Back to your silly three club example, if Sunderland, Newcastle and Villa were better ran and more organised do you think they should be able to bring in better players than lets say Bournemouth in the same league as them due to them partly bringing in more money?

So it would be hard to make a loss in the Prem now even though you point out that bigger the ground bigger the running costs are, make your fucking mind up.

well getting 54m as starters sort of helps
newcastle spent as much as Leicester on players

 

[Worksop II]

The wants to leave a legacy and won't rest in his grave I'm sure if we are in this state when he pops it.

Millions on the Planet believe in the resurection .................

I am not sure it would be so powerful a belief, if they had realised the next comming would be Kev ........................

 

[Woodwardfan]

Ah yes good spot, but the point still stands about Andy

Lyle Taylor on a goal every other game this season.

Clough said he was a 'fancy dan' and he probably was by his standards. I think his previous club Falkirk's fans (was it) also thought he was. Maybe he's matured. Can score goals anyway. More than McNulty and playing for a lower team.

 

[Darthblade]

I agree with most of what you say.

My interpretation of the situation is that the managers have not spent their budgets wisely. We always roll up to Wembley without a good striker I agree. That has been a combination of bad luck and bad planning with proper cover in the squad. Some blame the owner/s for that, I blame the managers.

I believe the budget the managers have been working to is plenty to do the job right. It's not the owners who have wasted the budgets or the transfer windows or loan windows, its the managers. I think Clough substantially exceeded his original budget in January 2015 with an agreed boost to his budget for 5 new players including Done and Brayford. The owners can't be expected to do that year in year out, at some stage it has to work as the funds naturally can't be forked out time and again.

Nobody can argue the fact that the common denominator is McCabe I acknowledge that, but the prince has been there contributing since 2013.

I suggest the manager is given a budget to work to at the start of every season and from there the owners stand back and do not interfere. If a player is sought after by higher league clubs then all parties say they are powerless to stop the player leaving and I accept that although I'm uncomfortable with it. I do believe the income from player sales is 100% ploughed back into the club.

These managers ought to do better and that includes Adkins this season, with this season's budget. He's signed two expensive strikers and has had the luxury of playing another expensive striker as left wing back. He sent another less expensive but capable striker on loan to Portsmouth for the season and he's paid off another expensive striker. We've got a young striker who is supposedly destined for the Premier League one day. OK we lost a scoring winger but FGS we should have had plenty in hand.

I take on board what you say regarding "FGS we should have had plenty in hand", however, that pre-supposes that the squad that NA inherited was a competitive one.

I simply don't think it was; the squad was full of underperforming, slow, weak, injury prone midgets and I don't believe was ever going to compete in this agricultural Division, nor will it now.

We need major surgery in the summer and I have seen nothing so far, which gives me the faith that the Board have the stomach, or the wallet for what is needed. I think that this comes back to the suggestion, made many times, that the Board collectively know f**k all about football and simply don't understand it.

Having said that I totally agree that successive managers have criminally wasted what should have been a satisfactory wage bill to escape from our self-imposed exile.

UTB & FTP

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Lyle Taylor on a goal every other game this season.

Clough said he was a 'fancy dan' and he probably was by his standards. I think his previous club Falkirk's fans (was it) also thought he was. Maybe he's matured. Can score goals anyway. More than McNulty and playing for a lower team.

Just another area were the Clough management style did not always work , even when the bloke was right . The urban myth was Clough liked what he saw in a raw Lyle Taylor and was willing to stay behind after training with him and personally help him with positioning awareness and shooting .

Taylor told Clough he couldn't stop behind as he was having his sleeve tattoo completed . Bat and ball and the rest is history .

The issue is , players coming to BDTBL actually know there level , and feel they have reached the pinnacle of there career in signing for the blades , and not use it as a stepping stone to greater things . They just don't have the hunger or desire for self improvement .

That's why the majority of the bloated squad have been in a comfort zone, on good wages , at a good top club

Good professionals are required to be brought in as a benchmark , but moving this club forward will require the board to speculate to accumulate , with bigger losses and operating costs . Buy the best and you will succeed with the right management .

Hats off to Wigan with a rookie chairman and manager , with Wheelan pulling the strings in the background. And before anybody says it , I know they have had the luxury of parachute payments , which as we know can be easily squandered.

UTB

 

[Grappler]

He's done very well for himself, taking up a football career after Duran Duran's popularity waned; almost as well as Mick Jones who, after a stellar career with United, Leeds and England was ended by injury, became lead guitarist in The Clash.

Rob Hulse was never the same after the broken leg, and to honest, was never the same without Emu

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Rob Hulse was never the same after the broken leg, and to honest, was never the same without Emu

Emu was a Bristol Rovers fan , Rod , Bristol City .

If Hulse bloke had not broken his leg when he did , blade history may well have been different IMO.

UTB

 

[Grappler]

Emu was a Bristol Rovers fan , Rod , Bristol City .

If Hulse bloke had not broken his leg when he did , blade history may well have been different IMO.

UTB

Agree on Hulse, he was gun shy about going in for tackles after the leg break, not that I can blame him for not wanting another

 

[wizadry]

well getting 54m as starters sort of helps
newcastle spent as much as Leicester on players

Getting more gates should mean you have a better chance of spending more money meaning better players, supposedly anyway. Newcastle obviously haven't spent wisely compared to Leicester and Bournemouth and all this leads to mis management of the money they can generate.

Ultimately, you've gone way off course here from my original post so I'll leave it there.

 

[The Sixer]

Total home attendance was 455,521 in 2014/15
Total gate receipts £3.7million
Gives you an average of £8.12 per supporter per game.

Bit of a puzzle?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Emu was a Bristol Rovers fan , Rod , Bristol City .

If Hulse bloke had not broken his leg when he did , blade history may well have been different IMO.

UTB

Hulse was a good player, not quite Premier League in my view but a good player by SUFC standards.

Let's keep to the thread. I know I posted about Lyle Taylor

 

[stringjunior]

Total home attendance was 455,521 in 2014/15
Total gate receipts £3.7million
Gives you an average of £8.12 per supporter per game.

Bit of a puzzle?

This is no place for longic sixer. But 10/10 for effort .

Welcome aboard btw

 

[blade too long]

Getting more gates should mean you have a better chance of spending more money meaning better players, supposedly anyway. Newcastle obviously haven't spent wisely compared to Leicester and Bournemouth and all this leads to mis management of the money they can generate.

Ultimately, you've gone way off course here from my original post so I'll leave it there.

its more complicated comparing prem profit / loss scenarios as they all get these ridiculous payments
but Ashley still lent 113 million , prior to the super money they get now

as Leicester have shown its more to do with good management than just spending millions
look how Chelsea have fallen from grace by signing players not as good as those they sold , like Lukaku,
We just dont seem to get the right man in charge of team affairs , weve got close , but not close enough
Dont think we can say we havent spent enough , just erratically without reward
Wigan got in the right mix of talent , hard nosed backs decent striker mobile midfielders
we need to follow that model , our midfield has been too weak for 4 years now
Macdonald for me was our biggest loss, never replaced him

 

[Sean Thornton]

This is no place for longic sixer. But 10/10 for effort .

Welcome aboard btw

Logics even more frowned upon.

 

[blade too long]

Total home attendance was 455,521 in 2014/15
Total gate receipts £3.7million
Gives you an average of £8.12 per supporter per game.

lots of kids tickets at 5 quid a ticket or less
and oaps at a shade over that

3.7 million over 12 months isnt that much if you consider one player on 20 k a week takes a quarter of that and another 6 on 10k a week gobbles it all up, and we have a squad of 36 or so now weve offloaded a few

 

[Sean Thornton]

lots of kids tickets at 5 quid a ticket or less
and oaps at a shade over that

3.7 million over 12 months isnt that much if you consider one player on 20 k a week takes a quarter of that and another 6 on 10k a week gobbles it all up, and we have a squad of 36 or so now weve offloaded a few

I was initially surprised how low the average was but that's with the vat stripped out, kids tickets for the under 16's around £2 a game seniors around a tenner. (Season ticket prices) Kid for a quid, bring a friend, freebies, it all mounts up.

One player on £711k a week would account for it all as well

 

[blade too long]

I was initially surprised how low the average was but that's with the vat stripped out, kids tickets for the under 16's around £2 a game seniors around a tenner. (Season ticket prices) Kid for a quid, bring a friend, freebies, it all mounts up.

One player on £711k a week would account for it all as well

711k a month would too
I am also aware some of our less affluent supporters try and get entry via junior or oap tickets , which I neither condone or condemn if their circumstances force it on them