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William Henry Foulkes said:
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It's not great is it? If it carries on like that we'll drift out of the play-off places.
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Unfortunately, we've already drifted out of the play-off places :(

With only 7 points separating 5th down to 17th, it might be a lowish total to make the play-offs in 5th or 6th but we're probably looking at around 34 points from 20 games I reckon so we're looking at winning at least half our games from here on in.
 
statistics, mean nothing if you take the first, six games away and the last, one that 66% win ratio will see us going up, auto, so just goes to show really
 
raul said:
statistics, mean nothing if you take the first, six games away and the last, one that 66% win ratio will see us going up, auto, so just goes to show really
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Yes and Real Madrid lost yesterday
 
That covers nearly a quarter of the season, 6 games of those were at home.

A point per game is relegation form.

9 goals for in those 10 games - usual woeful scoring in the League we've been seeing for a long time.

Matty Done had better be good or we have a real struggle to get 75 points or so.

Here are 3 combinations we'd have to achieve to "guarantee" a play off place (assumed at 75 points)
W12 L8

W10 D6 L4

W8 D12 L0

"Every game is a cup tie now" - it's an old cliche but maybe this is the attitude Clough and the players need to adopt.

Attack, attack, attack, attack, attack - we're not going to see this though are we ?
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
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It's not great is it? If it carries on like that we'll drift out of the play-off places.
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I'm a big fan of Clough and his football ethos but however you dress it up that is piss poor.

Most annoying thing is we have some decent players and we aren't far off but 3 wins since October in Division 3 isn't good enough. Lets hope with Done coming in we have more of a presence up front from now.
 



Stolen from Grey Blade over at BM. Sums up our current state depressingly. Last 10 league games:

GPWDLGFGAGDPts
1Bristol City10712174+1322
2Swindon Town10712197+1222
3Milton Keynes10541207+1319
4Scunthorpe105321812+618
5Chesterfield105321711+618
6Crewe Alexandra105231415-117
7Bradford10442139+416
8Preston10442129+316
9Gillingham105141817+116
10Walsall104331413+115
11Doncaster10352109+114
12Barnsley10415911-213
13Fleetwood10343911-213
14Port Vale104151115-413
15Oldham104151419-513
16Rochdale103341819-112
17Yeovil Town10325911-211
18Peterborough10325914-511
19Colchester103251018-811
20Leyton Orient103161618-210
21Sheffield Utd10244911-210
22Coventry City10244812-410
23Crawley Town10127820-125
24Notts County10
 
robbiez666 said:
Stolen from Grey Blade over at BM. Sums up our current state depressingly. Last 10 league games:

GPWDLGFGAGDPts
1Bristol City10712174+1322
2Swindon Town10712197+1222
3Milton Keynes10541207+1319
4Scunthorpe105321812+618
5Chesterfield105321711+618
6Crewe Alexandra105231415-117
7Bradford10442139+416
8Preston10442129+316
9Gillingham105141817+116
10Walsall104331413+115
11Doncaster10352109+114
12Barnsley10415911-213
13Fleetwood10343911-213
14Port Vale104151115-413
15Oldham104151419-513
16Rochdale103341819-112
17Yeovil Town10325911-211
18Peterborough10325914-511
19Colchester103251018-811
20Leyton Orient103161618-210
21Sheffield Utd10244911-210
22Coventry City10244812-410
23Crawley Town10127820-125
24Notts County10
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The form table for the next 10 games will be different!:rolleyes:
 
21 Sheffield Utd 10 2 4 4 9 11 -2 10
Blimey. I ad a feeling in me bones it were bad, but I dint think it were that bad.

Still, that season in Divison 4...
 
Bladepicker said:
I'm a big fan of Clough and his football ethos but however you dress it up that is piss poor.

Most annoying thing is we have some decent players and we aren't far off but 3 wins since October in Division 3 isn't good enough. Lets hope with Done coming in we have more of a presence up front from now.
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Agree we have some very decent players but we haven't got a striker. Done is not the answer and we won't resolve this by bringing in more of the same. It's more quality we need not quantity. Fact is, without goals we ain't going to win anything!
 
won 50% of our last 4 ,
we have the ability as we have shown in the cups , against big clubs
just got to get that style converted to the last 20 games

got to score in the first half more oh yes , and the second half might help too
 
This was written in September, was this season always going to be difficult?

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This season is not the first in recent times, where we've struggled to keep up the good form from the season before:



1996/97: After a dreadful start with Dave Bassett, we finished 95/96 very well with Kendall's team that looked both solid and exciting. There was a lot of optimism in the summer, but our general performances weren't as good and we finished fifth, eventually losing the play off final.



2003/04: The 02/03 season was fantastic. Warnock had built a great team that held their own against some of the nation's top clubs, and only an off day in the play off final denied us a promotion which neutrals would say we deserved. Results were decent at the start of the following season and we topped the table a few months in. Performances were unconvincing though, and we eventually drifted out of the play offs, finishing 8th.



2008/09: Following Bryan Robson's dismissal we finished the previous season on a high under Kevin Blackwell. Blackwell was also given a great budget and was able to make a decent attempt at promotion, finishing 3rd, but losing the play off final. Our football wasn't great though.



2009/10: The football was horrible to watch as Blackwell wasted enormous amounts of money on a small and vulnerable squad relying on loans. Finished 8th.



2012/13: Danny Wilson had a good first season at the club and had us playing very entertaining football until things went wrong after Ched Evans' trial. United's performances were rubbish the following season. Somehow we were top of the league at christmas, but we finished the season as one of the worst sides and embarrassed ourselves further in the play offs.



2014/15: United had a terrible start to the season under David Weir, but Nigel Clough turned things around, got us to the semi final of the FA cup, setting club records and climbing the table. With the club in a healthy financial position there was a lot of optimism and United were betting favorites as the season started. Early performances weren't anything like before the summer though and United must improve a lot if they are to live up to the expectations.




I think the arguments that we see among fans at the moment are similar to the ones that took place in each of the above seasons. One 'side' looks at the table and expects us to improve. The other side are worried by the performances and fear that some decent results/not too bad table position are papering over the cracks. In the past they've usually been proven right, and that's why I hope Clough won't be lenient with the current players.



It may be argued that player sales have made things difficult for us. Of course they have.



But still - for the level we were at we had great budgets available. Although we lost players it should have been possible to regroup and mount another strong challenge. And some of the seasons we did sort of stay high in the table, but the most striking thing for me was how poor the football was, how disappointing the performances were. In all of those seasons half the fan base thought we were crap and rightly predicted a slide.



Could there be a psychological factor involved, maybe that we slightly overestimate the quality of a squad that's done pretty well, and underestimate the task of mounting a new challenge?



Bristol City had a very similar season to ourselves last season. We both improved after changing managers and ended the season on a high. But their summer signings were so full of intent. 7 proven players, a nice mix of experience, athleticism, skill and creativity, all straight into the starting line up in their best position in a preplanned formation. We'll see if they can keep their form up, but Cotterill clearly had a plan and knew what he wanted to do to improve even more from last season.



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* Five of Bristol City's summer signings, Wade Elliott, Aaron Wilbraham, Mark Little, Luke Freeman and Korey Smith.



Our main plan was to keep most of last season's first eleven, and then add a few more options. All summer we kept hoping that we'd keep Maguire and get Brayford back. We tried replacing Coady with Basham/Wallace. But instead of having Maguire/Brayford we ended up with back up signings in their positions, and Basham has of yet not successfully replaced Coady, while Wallace has been injured.



Injuries to Scougall, Baxter, JCR and Flynn hasn't helped. Murphy's lack of form and Higdon's lack of fitness the same. I personally rate JCR, but he and McNulty (like Alcock, McGahey and McEveley) are more back up signings who may end up first choice. The players Clough wanted to gradually phase out, Collins and Doyle, are also back playing.



It seems to me that we, again, didn't fully realise how difficult it can be to keep the momentum from one season to the next. Let's hope Nigel Clough can still find the solutions to turn things around.


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Bergen Blade said:
This was written in September, was this season always going to be difficult?

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Blackwell2.png







This season is not the first in recent times, where we've struggled to keep up the good form from the season before:



1996/97: After a dreadful start with Dave Bassett, we finished 95/96 very well with Kendall's team that looked both solid and exciting. There was a lot of optimism in the summer, but our general performances weren't as good and we finished fifth, eventually losing the play off final.



2003/04: The 02/03 season was fantastic. Warnock had built a great team that held their own against some of the nation's top clubs, and only an off day in the play off final denied us a promotion which neutrals would say we deserved. Results were decent at the start of the following season and we topped the table a few months in. Performances were unconvincing though, and we eventually drifted out of the play offs, finishing 8th.



2008/09: Following Bryan Robson's dismissal we finished the previous season on a high under Kevin Blackwell. Blackwell was also given a great budget and was able to make a decent attempt at promotion, finishing 3rd, but losing the play off final. Our football wasn't great though.



2009/10: The football was horrible to watch as Blackwell wasted enormous amounts of money on a small and vulnerable squad relying on loans. Finished 8th.



2012/13: Danny Wilson had a good first season at the club and had us playing very entertaining football until things went wrong after Ched Evans' trial. United's performances were rubbish the following season. Somehow we were top of the league at christmas, but we finished the season as one of the worst sides and embarrassed ourselves further in the play offs.



2014/15: United had a terrible start to the season under David Weir, but Nigel Clough turned things around, got us to the semi final of the FA cup, setting club records and climbing the table. With the club in a healthy financial position there was a lot of optimism and United were betting favorites as the season started. Early performances weren't anything like before the summer though and United must improve a lot if they are to live up to the expectations.




I think the arguments that we see among fans at the moment are similar to the ones that took place in each of the above seasons. One 'side' looks at the table and expects us to improve. The other side are worried by the performances and fear that some decent results/not too bad table position are papering over the cracks. In the past they've usually been proven right, and that's why I hope Clough won't be lenient with the current players.



It may be argued that player sales have made things difficult for us. Of course they have.



But still - for the level we were at we had great budgets available. Although we lost players it should have been possible to regroup and mount another strong challenge. And some of the seasons we did sort of stay high in the table, but the most striking thing for me was how poor the football was, how disappointing the performances were. In all of those seasons half the fan base thought we were crap and rightly predicted a slide.



Could there be a psychological factor involved, maybe that we slightly overestimate the quality of a squad that's done pretty well, and underestimate the task of mounting a new challenge?



Bristol City had a very similar season to ourselves last season. We both improved after changing managers and ended the season on a high. But their summer signings were so full of intent. 7 proven players, a nice mix of experience, athleticism, skill and creativity, all straight into the starting line up in their best position in a preplanned formation. We'll see if they can keep their form up, but Cotterill clearly had a plan and knew what he wanted to do to improve even more from last season.



20140704-fivesignings43213-1716693_478x359.jpg


* Five of Bristol City's summer signings, Wade Elliott, Aaron Wilbraham, Mark Little, Luke Freeman and Korey Smith.



Our main plan was to keep most of last season's first eleven, and then add a few more options. All summer we kept hoping that we'd keep Maguire and get Brayford back. We tried replacing Coady with Basham/Wallace. But instead of having Maguire/Brayford we ended up with back up signings in their positions, and Basham has of yet not successfully replaced Coady, while Wallace has been injured.



Injuries to Scougall, Baxter, JCR and Flynn hasn't helped. Murphy's lack of form and Higdon's lack of fitness the same. I personally rate JCR, but he and McNulty (like Alcock, McGahey and McEveley) are more back up signings who may end up first choice. The players Clough wanted to gradually phase out, Collins and Doyle, are also back playing.



It seems to me that we, again, didn't fully realise how difficult it can be to keep the momentum from one season to the next. Let's hope Nigel Clough can still find the solutions to turn things around.


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That's a fair analysis Bergen. You're correct, I think that the quality of who we bought wasn't as outstanding as we'd have hoped. I'm under no doubt that a manager buys new recruits in the belief that they'll improve the overall performance of his team. Unfortunately this hasn't been the case. Yes, there have been glimpses of what should have been, but overall, well, disappointment has become the standard by which we judge our team.

We all put up a case for individual players, those we feel who, if only they had newer, better players alongside of them, well then we'd see the team improve while Mr Scapegoat(s) was flogged and victimised as the root cause for the team's poor performances. The truism that the 'buck stops here' obviously falls at the door of the manager. My take is that we have quality, but whether we have a good physical mix, or the character, to compete is something that's becoming a question that's asked repeatedly. There may be a belief within our management that when talent is spotted that would be suitable for next season we should bring it into the fold. All well and good under most circumstances, but it's the here and now that is the central proposition. Next season can take care of itself, I'd rather a policy of buying for the moment than some future footballing nirvana. We can all produce reasons that explain why we've under-performed. It's not as if we're out of the promotion equation, but it is a fact that we're clinging on by our fingertips, and it's a statement of the obvious that not a single supporter likes the fact that at this stage of the season we seem to give the impression of wandering aimlessly.

Yet it wasn't that long ago that we beat Swindon, deservedly so I should add. So why the bi-polar character traits of the Blades? Maybe even Clough is scratching his head at this change in attitude? I've no doubt Nigel gives clear and specific instruction to each player about their role and duties. Whether we have a group who choose to ignore these instructions, or whether they are what might be referred to as 'intellectually challenged' something is wrong, so much so that the current crop of players seem ill-equipped to deliver what we all want, to serve promotion on a plate and ease our discomfort.

As a footnote, I would add that the injuries that have blighted Wallace's (J) season must have dampened Clough's expectation. The little that any of us have seen of Wallace, it's clear that he would have been a significant influence on the team and our results. Of course you can't put down what's happened to one player's misfortune, but the margins for success or failure are often down to fractions, or in Wallace's case, a continued run of injuries that seem neverending.

Is a lack of fitness still being used to explain Higdon's lack of impact? Or is it, as many seem to agree, that we need someone of the quality of a player like Callum Wilson? Or at least someone who seems to possess the qualities to raise our expectations.......perhaps Done will resurrect this part of the jigsaw that so far has been missing? I hope so. Aren't we crying out for a forward who can offer genuine threat, or at least galvanise the players around him to raise their game on a consistent basis? Silly question, of course we are.
 
itsinyerblood I've been meaning to write this for a while - but I think Wallace (J) is in danger of being part of the problem, not the solution. Everyone can see, and knew from his time at Prenton Park, that he was a good player. Equally, everyone could also see that he's a chronic sick note and has never played more than 19 games in a season in his entire professional career.

For United to have him down as being a significant influence on the team and the season always looked more of a punt, than a solid plan, and so it has turned out - I'm amazed that he's played as many as 10 games (and he's not exactly put in a full shift in many of the games he has played) as he does indeed seem to be permanently injured. You could see this as simple misfortune, but it might also be seen as part of Clough's planning which, somewhat predictably, has gone wrong and has not been sorted.
 
Hague Blade said:
itsinyerblood I've been meaning to write this for a while - but I think Wallace (J) is in danger of being part of the problem, not the solution. Everyone can see, and knew from his time at Prenton Park, that he was a good player. Equally, everyone could also see that he's a chronic sick note and has never played more than 19 games in a season in his entire professional career.

For United to have him down as being a significant influence on the team and the season always looked more of a punt, than a solid plan, and so it has turned out - I'm amazed that he's played as many as 10 games (and he's not exactly put in a full shift in many of the games he has played) as he does indeed seem to be permanently injured. You could see this as simple misfortune, but it might also be seen as part of Clough's planning which, somewhat predictably, has gone wrong and has not been sorted.
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If, once it was obvious that Wallace was to have repeated injuries, there was to be confirmation that Clough had invested a significant amount of hope on Wallace's influence then I might agree mate. I've no doubt that Clough, like all of us, would have loved to have Wallace at his disposal, but he hasn't, and NC strikes me as someone who is pragmatic, thus as unhappy as Clough will be about this state of affairs, I doubt he's relied on Wallace to be that pivotal player we're sorely in need of. Just my view of course, but waiting in hope doesn't strike me as a Clough trait.

If Wallace does manage to get past this debilitating chapter then it'll be a bonus, for us and for Wallace, but no one should rely on a positive outcome. Instead we move forward and find solutions elsewhere. And that, I guess, will be exactly what Clough intends to do. Apportioning blame or some type of contributory influence regarding Clough on Wallace's bad luck seems to stretch the idea that Clough has been negligent. It's just bad luck, nothing more or less.
 
a year ago we lost 0 -3 at crewe
it was our 26th game
we lost or 26th on saturday
we then got 41 points from last 20 games a smidge over 2 points per game

last year we had 26 points so ended up with 67 points

if we extrapulate that form , no idea where that came from , we will get 80 points
believe it is do able
 



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