Lack of players from abroad

[dc_blade]

I haven't said if theyre better or worse in terms of talent or value . The risks are greater due to be reliant on data , players settling , language , culture , all sorts .

After 2 summers weve shown how to get it wrong using both statergies , certainly on paper. We'll have to give what we have time with the coaches to see if it actually can be made to work this season .

Im not against either statergy , but as ever its recruiting the right players wherever theyre from

One strategy is clearly superior.

A modern club with a forward-thinking manager can integrate all sort of players, speaking different languages and coming from different cultures. No progressive club tries to build a squad on the basis of only signing good lads steeped in British football culture and who have "Championship experience." There's a place for players like that, obviously, but you can't succeed in this day and age with only players like that.

 

[ben1987]

Yes we could've signed the great Ivo Grbic, oh wait on a minute!!!

One bad signing doesn’t make all foreign goalkeepers suddenly bad though does it. It doesn’t also mean that all British goalkeepers are automatically good either.

Out of interest I asked AI some questions around goalkeepers in the premier league so far this season and here are some interesting statistics

18.2% of goalkeepers who have started games so far have been British and 81.8% of starting goalkeepers are non-british

The average fee for the British goalkeepers was £27m and the average fee for the non-British goalkeepers was £19.6m

So while we managed to sign the wrong 6’5 Croatian international goalkeeper from Athletico Madrid the stats certainly point towards it being worth while searching for non-British goalies instead of being blinkered by a singular target both in terms of odds on landing someone capable of being a premier league regular and also in terms of the fees being a lot less. Alison and Donnarumma’s fees being high also brought up the mean transfer fee for the non-British keepers.

 

[MayorOJC]

One bad signing doesn’t make all foreign goalkeepers suddenly bad though does it. It doesn’t also mean that all British goalkeepers are automatically good either.

Out of interest I asked AI some questions around goalkeepers in the premier league so far this season and here are some interesting statistics

18.2% of goalkeepers who have started games so far have been British and 81.8% of starting goalkeepers are non-british

The average fee for the British goalkeepers was £27m and the average fee for the non-British goalkeepers was £19.6m

So while we managed to sign the wrong 6’5 Croatian international goalkeeper from Athletico Madrid the stats certainly point towards it being worth while searching for non-British goalies instead of being blinkered by a singular target both in terms of odds on landing someone capable of being a premier league regular and also in terms of the fees being a lot less. Alison and Donnarumma’s fees being high also brought up the mean transfer fee for the non-British keepers.

Also funny considering we spent £18m on an English goalkeeper that's now a Championship club's fourth choice...

 

[The Fox]

One strategy is clearly superior.

A modern club with a forward-thinking manager can integrate all sort of players, speaking different languages and coming from different cultures. No progressive club tries to build a squad on the basis of only signing good lads steeped in British football culture and who have "Championship experience." There's a place for players like that, obviously, but you can't succeed in this day and age with only players like that.

I think you've answered your own question there . We're not a modern club with a forward thinking manager .

Were old school and whilst we are ,sticking square pegs in round holes wont necessarily work .

Im not suggesting were right to be how we are , but we are what we are .

 

[Tom Bott]

Sunderland signed Wilson Isidor from Zenit St. Petersburg for 5 million.

Norwich signed Mo Toure from Randers in Denmark for about 3 million.

Compare these two players to Tom Cannon on the following metrics: price, performances, and current value. It's not pretty reading.

Compare Ivo Grbic to Michael Cooper.

Both cost around £2 million.

 

[dc_blade]

Compare Ivo Grbic to Michael Cooper.

Both cost around £2 million.

So what's your point? That we shouldn't try signing players from overseas?

 

[Davalon]

I love the attitude of those who bring up failures when signing foreign players gets brought up.

Based on how many shit British players we've had, the same logic suggests we ought to stop that even more.

Its the same idiotic attitude that says foreign managers don't work here despite having had two in 137 years.

 

[dc_blade]

I think you've answered your own question there . We're not a modern club with a forward thinking manager .

Were old school and whilst we are ,sticking square pegs in round holes wont necessarily work .

Im not suggesting were right to be how we are , but we are what we are .

The answer is that we need to modernize the club and get a forward-thinking manager. That could be Chris Wilder, by the way. I think if you took a lot of his obvious talents and married them to a wider field of vision you'd have a very good manager indeed.

If we want to accept going back to being also-rans, bopping about between the Championship and League One, then, yeah, let's just shrug and say "we are what we are."

 

[The Fox]

The answer is that we need to modernize the club and get a forward-thinking manager. That could be Chris Wilder, by the way. I think if you took a lot of his obvious talents and married them to a wider field of vision you'd have a very good manager indeed.

If we want to accept going back to being also-rans, bopping about between the Championship and League One, then, yeah, let's just shrug and say "we are what we are."

Id agree that the club needs a different structure and approach.
I recognise where and what we are , with all the limitations that has and its unlikely to change soon.

In terms of the original debate its probably why weve chosen to recruit domestically .

I'm simply following the logic and culture of the club , not agreeing with it.

 

[dc_blade]

Id agree that the club needs a different structure and approach.

Excellent, nice to finish the discussion on the same page.

 

[Tom Bott]

So what's your point? That we shouldn't try signing players from overseas?

I never suggested that we shouldn't, the club signed lliman Ndiaye (born in France) and he has been the best player I have had the pleasure to watch in the last five years.

On the balance side though, Spurs have 80% foreign players, Burnley have 70% foreign players and leicester have 48%.

So to make an argument that with foreign players and foreign managers (plural) we might suddenly become progressive and have more success, I would argue that this might not necessarily be the case .

But by all means let's give it a go, after all we are now on our second set of foreign owners, so what could possibly go wrong.

 

[jt64]

Perhaps with our limited resources we don’t have an international scouting network?

You don't need that much resource to reverse engineer the Football Manager database or watch Hungarian second division matches on bet365

 

[Bladesman]

I love the attitude of those who bring up failures when signing foreign players gets brought up.

Based on how many shit British players we've had, the same logic suggests we ought to stop that even more.

Its the same idiotic attitude that says foreign managers don't work here despite having had two in 137 years.

Are you telling me you were not entertained by the likes of Micky Doyle and Jay McEveley?

 

[bornablade]

I've heard that Hoyland has gone down to Dover with an Argos £25.00 goal net. He's taken Grbic with him.

As soon as one of those boats lands the occupants are invited to take 10 penalties against Grbic.

Score one out of 10 and there's a chance of starting next week against Wolves.

At present a 40 year old Afghanistan woman is in the lead.

EFL has reluctantly reported that this doesn't break the transfer window rules.

Back at home Steve Rosen has been on the blower all day to the Banner Cross as the Argos goal net is not in the budget.