Harry Maguire

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Who cares? It makes not one jot of difference as far as Sheffield United is concerned.
Why not? If we were entitled to a proportion of the profit Hull City made from Maguire's sale to Leicester then it stands to reason that we'd be eligible for a proportion of their sell on as that's effectively further profit for Hull. Assuming that's 20% we'd be in line for a further £2.1m (£70m Leicester to Man U = £53m profit x 20% to Hull = £10.6m x 20% to United = £2.1m).
 
Why not? If we were entitled to a proportion of the profit Hull City made from Maguire's sale to Leicester then it stands to reason that we'd be eligible for a proportion of their sell on as that's effectively further profit for Hull. Assuming that's 20% we'd be in line for a further £2.1m (£70m Leicester to Man U = £53m profit x 20% to Hull = £10.6m x 20% to United = £2.1m).
Don’t go there. I’ve done this once and was told by ‘experts’ that it’s not possible.
 
Good move for his bank balance and future financial security. Not as convinced it's the best move for his football.

City would suit him more imho.
 
Why not? If we were entitled to a proportion of the profit Hull City made from Maguire's sale to Leicester then it stands to reason that we'd be eligible for a proportion of their sell on as that's effectively further profit for Hull. Assuming that's 20% we'd be in line for a further £2.1m (£70m Leicester to Man U = £53m profit x 20% to Hull = £10.6m x 20% to United = £2.1m).

Don’t go there. I’ve done this once and was told by ‘experts’ that it’s not possible.
That's because it's not.
We were contractually entitled to a percentage of the fee Hull City received, and that's all. The financial obligations regarding Harry Maguire ended when we got the money from Hull, and anything they get as a result of Leicester selling Harry are for Hull, not us. I wonder how many times this needs to be explained. I suspect quite a few more.
 
That's because it's not.
We were contractually entitled to a percentage of the fee Hull City received, and that's all. The financial obligations regarding Harry Maguire ended when we got the money from Hull, and anything they get as a result of Leicester selling Harry are for Hull, not us. I wonder how many times this needs to be explained. I suspect quite a few more.

We get a percentage based on him being an ex Blades academy player. A lot less than 20% mind you.
 
That's because it's not.
We were contractually entitled to a percentage of the fee Hull City received, and that's all. The financial obligations regarding Harry Maguire ended when we got the money from Hull, and anything they get as a result of Leicester selling Harry are for Hull, not us. I wonder how many times this needs to be explained. I suspect quite a few more.

Could you tell us the exact wording in the contract?

I'm assuming you've seen all the documents to be so confident. 🙄
 
That's because it's not.
We were contractually entitled to a percentage of the fee Hull City received, and that's all. The financial obligations regarding Harry Maguire ended when we got the money from Hull, and anything they get as a result of Leicester selling Harry are for Hull, not us. I wonder how many times this needs to be explained. I suspect quite a few more.
That’s not an explanation though. Just your opinion. If you can back your opinion up with some facts, please do.
 

Why not? If we were entitled to a proportion of the profit Hull City made from Maguire's sale to Leicester then it stands to reason that we'd be eligible for a proportion of their sell on as that's effectively further profit for Hull. Assuming that's 20% we'd be in line for a further £2.1m (£70m Leicester to Man U = £53m profit x 20% to Hull = £10.6m x 20% to United = £2.1m).

I don't recall any other instance of this happening, I thought it ended when a third party signed the player. Can you name other clubs or players where this happened, certainly forward thinking by Utd if it's true :confused:
 
That's because it's not.
We were contractually entitled to a percentage of the fee Hull City received, and that's all. The financial obligations regarding Harry Maguire ended when we got the money from Hull, and anything they get as a result of Leicester selling Harry are for Hull, not us. I wonder how many times this needs to be explained. I suspect quite a few more.
You are wrong. As Hull will be making more money so will we. We had a clause to receive a percentage of any profit Hull made this still stands. Otherwise any team with a player with a sell on clause could sell for an initial £1 with £x million payable on the players first appearance in order to get out of paying the sell on percentage to the previous club!
 
Up until recently and the advent of horrific transfer fees a % of a % would not have been worth pursuing however as displayed in the example a couple of million is worth the effort!
 
You are wrong. As Hull will be making more money so will we. We had a clause to receive a percentage of any profit Hull made this still stands. Otherwise any team with a player with a sell on clause could sell for an initial £1 with £x million payable on the players first appearance in order to get out of paying the sell on percentage to the previous club!
I’ve not seen any contracts, as I’m sure you also haven’t, but the clause was for a percentage of the sell on fee Hull received. When they sold him and paid the fee all of their financial responsibilities to Sheffield Uniged were fully discharged. Any sell on fee negotiated between Hull and Leicester should in theory be between those two clubs only.
Of course I stand to be corrected, but I reckon the amount we receive as a result of Leicester selling Harry will be nothing at all.
And I trust that as you state I’m wrong you’ll be providing full proof of all and any monies coming our way from Hull City as a result of Leicester selling Harry to whoever it is?
 
That’s not an explanation though. Just your opinion. If you can back your opinion up with some facts, please do.
Club A sells Player X to club B, and says that when you sell him we want xx% of the fee you get. Club B then sell X to Club C, and pay Club A the agreed percentage. This completes the financial obligation from B to A. When Club C sell X on there is usually no money going to Club A, because when B paid the percentage to A that concluded the contract.


Unless of course I’m totally wrong and we are due a percentage of a percentage of a percentage (etc) of every transfer that Harry Maguire has, from now until the end of time.
 
Club A sells Player X to club B, and says that when you sell him we want xx% of the fee you get. Club B then sell X to Club C, and pay Club A the agreed percentage. This completes the financial obligation from B to A. When Club C sell X on there is usually no money going to Club A, because when B paid the percentage to A that concluded the contract.


Unless of course I’m totally wrong and we are due a percentage of a percentage of a percentage (etc) of every transfer that Harry Maguire has, from now until the end of time.
That’s still just your opinion though. I’m not interested in arguing opinions on this. I’ve done it once. We’ll find out if Maguire moves.
 
That’s still just your opinion though. I’m not interested in arguing opinions on this. I’ve done it once. We’ll find out if Maguire moves.
It’s an opinion just the same as yours. You’re saying we are entitled to a fee, I’m saying we aren’t. And we will indeed find out if we are due any money.

By the way, isn’t this forum for discussing opinions? Or did Foxy fuck up when he started the whole shebang, and it’s only for opinions you like?
 
I’ve not seen any contracts, as I’m sure you also haven’t, but the clause was for a percentage of the sell on fee Hull received. When they sold him and paid the fee all of their financial responsibilities to Sheffield Uniged were fully discharged. Any sell on fee negotiated between Hull and Leicester should in theory be between those two clubs only.
Of course I stand to be corrected, but I reckon the amount we receive as a result of Leicester selling Harry will be nothing at all.
And I trust that as you state I’m wrong you’ll be providing full proof of all and any monies coming our way from Hull City as a result of Leicester selling Harry to whoever it is?
What part of my point to you disagree with? Why would we not get a percentage of all of Hull's overall profit? As I said in my initial response, if the initial fee that Hull received "fully discharged" our sell on percentage it would be very easy for them to worm their way out of paying a sell on amount by making the initial fee artificially low.
 
It’s an opinion just the same as yours. You’re saying we are entitled to a fee, I’m saying we aren’t. And we will indeed find out if we are due any money.

By the way, isn’t this forum for discussing opinions? Or did Foxy fuck up when he started the whole shebang, and it’s only for opinions you like?
I said in my first post to Balham that I had no interest in this argument again and I only responded because of your fucking condescending comment ‘ I wonder how many times this needs to be explained. I suspect quite a few more.’

Go and piss on someone else’s tree, I’m not interested.
 
I said in my first post to Balham that I had no interest in this argument again and I only responded because of your fucking condescending comment ‘ I wonder how many times this needs to be explained. I suspect quite a few more.’

Go and piss on someone else’s tree, I’m not interested.
If you’re not interested then don’t fucking reply if you don’t like someone’s fucking post. Is that fucking okay, sweetie?
 
What part of my point to you disagree with? Why would we not get a percentage of all of Hull's overall profit? As I said in my initial response, if the initial fee that Hull received "fully discharged" our sell on percentage it would be very easy for them to worm their way out of paying a sell on amount by making the initial fee artificially low.
Basically it’s because when they got a fee they gave us the agreed part of it, be that a percentage or a set amount. That meant they’d concluded their part of the agreement. Of course if we insisted on a percentage of any sell on fee they got then they’d have to pay it, but I strongly suspect this isn’t the case. Time will tell.
 

If you’re not interested then don’t fucking reply if you don’t like someone’s fucking post. Is that fucking okay, sweetie?
I asked you for facts to support your opinion. You didn’t provide any, just repeated your opinion. Which I pointed out, trying to politely end the conversation and got another condescending reply ‘By the way, isn’t this forum for discussing opinions? Or did Foxy fuck up when he started the whole shebang, and it’s only for opinions you like?’

You’re not debating, you’re just contradicting. You know no more that I do but are taking the attitude that you do.
 

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