Dreadful referee

[s10blade]

Was this ref for real? How do the FA get away with producing these guys?

The audacity he had to make us play negative, uninspiring, shite 4-5-1 meaning we haven't won a home league match in 4 games. Poor, poor referee.

 

[Foxy]

It's quite possible to talk about the ref without using it as an excuse.

Him and his assistants we're awful tonight, I'm struggling to believe they can be genuinely this poor.

 

[pblades]

Dreadful performance i say

 

[s10blade]

It's quiet possible to talk about the ref without using it as an excuse.

Him and his assistants we're awful tonight, I'm struggling to believe they can be genuinely this poor.

You're right Foxy, he was worst we've seen at BDTBL for a long time - but it's done, we move on. Tell me a club that doesn't believe 80% of refs they get are biased/against them etc. etc.

It's merely papering over the massive crack that is Clough's ultra-negative tactics that will keep us here for at least one more season.

 

[Blade56]

Ultra negative until they scored again then we stepped it up a gear.

 

[The Vicar]

What was the crowd response at the end? Or had everyone gone home?

 

[Kenilworth]

They applauded a gallant effort from a hard working set of talented individuals with a single minded, collective goal of overcoming the opposition by booing the set of useless wankers off the pitch

 

[WhiteHawk]

What was the crowd response at the end? Or had everyone gone home?

There was no booing for United, a lot of booing for MK though.

 

[Punk Blade]

Ultra negative until they scored again then we stepped it up a gear.

Except the second half followed the same pattern as every other home game where we attacked and severely restricted the opposition getting out of their half. And we had the ball in the back of the net.

 

[Deadbat]

You're right Foxy, he was worst we've seen at BDTBL for a long time - but it's done, we move on. Tell me a club that doesn't believe 80% of refs they get are biased/against them etc. etc.

It's merely papering over the massive crack that is Clough's ultra-negative tactics that will keep us here for at least one more season.

Have to agree. I think it just gives something for Clough to moan about.

The officials were really poor. I agree. Still they are not responsible for us not putting ball in net or such dross we are having to watch. Even if he had sent 1 off earlier, would it have made any difference? We could still be playing now and still not score.

 

[Deadbat]

As bad as the officials were, there was not one massive decision that led to us losing the game. The free kick was daft from McEVeley (tackle from behind) and the goal disallowed was offside. There were no stonewell pens or goals he chalked off? Kay may have got a red for that tackle on McNulty but that would have been a push really. He could have sent off the other lad for persistent fouling maybe. The worst part of their game was just the inconsistency. For all th blame many are giving he booked 7 of theirs (I think 3 were not even bookings) so it was not like he did not penalise them. They were poor granted but struggling to think of that major decision that affected a goal/penalty. We have to be better than searching out officials for our failure to break down poor sides at home. I thought it was a bit desperate from the crowds at times tonight looking for anything to give them a spark (from officials) as the team was so laboured.

 

[Harry's Game]

Did the ref select the team and tactics?

Put the blame where it should be.

 

[sitwell]

Anyone who says that was negative or poor tactics is just listening to what they want to hear from the usual.

 

[alcoblade]

Anyone who says that was negative or poor tactics is just listening to what they want to hear from the usual.

Agreed it's easy to fall into the groove of repeating the same complaints, and I thought we were more positive tonight.

But it is possible to have 2 strikers on the pitch at the same time, at the least late on in the game. And midfielders can got through the middle occassionaly, it doesn't always have to go wide.

We were more positive / less negative tonight, but sadly just as predictable.

UTB

 

[sitwell]

yep I agree ,I can see the sense in bringing Magahey on to play up front ,he had a lot of movement at Donny and they didn't know what to do with him ,maybe earlier ,but at that point we looked by far the most likely to score.

 

[Pedro Verde]

As bad as the officials were, there was not one massive decision that led to us losing the game. The free kick was daft from McEVeley (tackle from behind) and the goal disallowed was offside. There were no stonewell pens or goals he chalked off? Kay may have got a red for that tackle on McNulty but that would have been a push really. He could have sent off the other lad for persistent fouling maybe. The worst part of their game was just the inconsistency. For all th blame many are giving he booked 7 of theirs (I think 3 were not even bookings) so it was not like he did not penalise them. They were poor granted but struggling to think of that major decision that affected a goal/penalty. We have to be better than searching out officials for our failure to break down poor sides at home. I thought it was a bit desperate from the crowds at times tonight looking for anything to give them a spark (from officials) as the team was so laboured.

I thought McEverley got the ball and was very surprised when the Ref who lost control of the game gave them a free shot on goal
I was quite surprised at the cynical spoiling tactics employed by MK reminded a bit of the Dons from Wimbledon all those years ago. You thought 3 of them wasnt bookings what game were you watching Afobe was on the pitch for about 20 mins should have been booked at least twice for being a cunt

 

[wizadry]

yep I agree ,I can see the sense in bringing Magahey on to play up front ,he had a lot of movement at Donny and they didn't know what to do with him ,maybe earlier ,but at that point we looked by far the most likely to score.

He didn't bring McGahey on to play upfront.Basham got injured and he brought another defender on,embarrasing! He then had no choice but to chuck him up top.What he should have done is wait until the free kick was taken to see if they scored or not and then put an attacker on.No matter how you look at it 2 points from the last 12 at home is shocking.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

They applauded a gallant effort from a hard working set of talented individuals with a single minded, collective goal of overcoming the opposition by booing the set of useless wankers off the pitch

They were booing the ref first, then MK second - too out of breath by then to boo United

 

[Sirius]

Agreed it's easy to fall into the groove of repeating the same complaints, and I thought we were more positive tonight.

But it is possible to have 2 strikers on the pitch at the same time, at the least late on in the game. And midfielders can got through the middle occassionaly, it doesn't always have to go wide.

We were more positive / less negative tonight, but sadly just as predictable.

UTB[/QUOTE

CHED

 

[cooperblade]

Is it possible to be ultra-negative and select Ryan Flynn, Jamie Murphy, Jamal Campbell-Ryce and Stefan Scougall in the same side? It's hardly parking the bus stuff, is it?

On Friday, we had people slaughtering Clough for not playing 2 up front even though he did for the most part. Now he is ultra-negative despite us going forward for much of the game with plenty of attacking players in the team.

Think everyone is frustrated and no-one thinks everything is perfect but seems a lot of posters could probably give their thoughts on the next 3 games now as the actual performance, line up and tactics are irrelevant to them.

 

[Kenilworth]

Yea it is if you play Flynn at right back and remain with the same negative formation of one striker up top and no one getting forward to support him from midfield or beyond him. If all you do is get it wide to JCR or Murph and only have one player in the box to aim for against 4 defenders, then, yes it is negative.

It's negative from the perspective that it is the same system being deployed time and time again that is proving to be ineffective, time and time again. Now that may be because the players are not executing the plan well enough or they are not of sufficient quality to carry it out. Either way there is enough empirical evidence pointing to the conclusion that it's not working and 3 points from 15 available over the last 5 home games with only a paltry 3 goals scored substantiates that conclusion.

It's negative from the perspective that NC specifically states that we are set up to be tight and difficult to break down as the tactics are based on being difficult to beat first and winning the game if the opportunity presents itself later. This is evidenced by how many goals we have scored in the first half of games this season. A grand total of 4. That's negative as it presents the opposition with a stat that suggests we don't commit too many players forward in the early stages of a game so they set up to contain us knowing exactly how each half is likely to pan out and how to negate our threats - which, let's be honest is Murphy, on his tod.

It's negative because it's sterile, tedious and uninspiring. The best measure of how positive a team is, certainly for the fans, if you are not scoring, is how many times the oppo keeper has to make a save - not shots on or off target as they could be blocked since the opportunity to shoot could just as easy be ill judged or not on. It's actual goal mouth action that results in the keeper having to earn his keep. In most matches we play the oppo keeper has very little to do. It's rare that an oppo keeper has a blinder against us. It's more frequent that our loan striker is outnumbered and unsupported so their keeper is more of a spectator and an organiser.

Plenty of other teams in this division are set up with some attacking intent even though they have fewer resources (Oldham and Rochdale to name two). We are no better than Notts County and Derry is deploying similar tactics to us with players of a lower ability. That's negative and the result will be a struggle to get into the play offs - there is fuck all chance of challenging autos when you don't score goals.

MKD came with a plan and matched a negative formation with a negative formation. They roughed is up and knew that would frustrate. They have already pummelled teams with goals and positive play but last night Robinson decided that a gong-ho approach that despatches lesser teams in tis league (NC take note) was not appropriate for Sheff Utd at Bramall Lane. He knew that IF we got in front we may well prevail as the crowd plays a large part in that scenario. Equally he knew that setting up the way he did and employing the spoiling tactics would get under our skin, frustrate and lead to the crowd putting added pressure on the home team re the levels of expectation rather than being a force to be reckoned with. It's our predictable and negative approach that helped Robinson come to this conclusion - and it worked.

Goals win games. Not conceding means you don't lose. If you cannot do either or have no will to change the set up to be more attacking and more positive then, by definition, you are fucked.

 

[s10blade]

Is it possible to be ultra-negative and select Ryan Flynn, Jamie Murphy, Jamal Campbell-Ryce and Stefan Scougall in the same side? It's hardly parking the bus stuff, is it?

On Friday, we had people slaughtering Clough for not playing 2 up front even though he did for the most part. Now he is ultra-negative despite us going forward for much of the game with plenty of attacking players in the team.

Think everyone is frustrated and no-one thinks everything is perfect but seems a lot of posters could probably give their thoughts on the next 3 games now as the actual performance, line up and tactics are irrelevant to them.

But a team selection is different to the tactics you deploy during a game. So, yes, bar playing one up front, I reckon Clough picked the same side I would have but it's so evident the players are being trained to keep possession, pass sideways and back and there is very little application or creativity despite us having players capable of doing so. As Deadbat mentioned, we could still be playing now and we wouldn't score.

We're at the start of December and NC still believes everything is suddenly going to click into place and it's glaringly obvious to all but him it's not.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

MKD came with a plan and matched a negative formation with a negative formation. They roughed is up and knew that would frustrate. They have already pummelled teams with goals and positive play but last night Robinson decided that a gong-ho approach that despatches lesser teams in tis league (NC take note) was not appropriate for Sheff Utd at Bramall Lane.

Clough was out thought.

Win on Saturday 6-0 but shackle them on Tuesday because our 451 is very effective against attack.

Wake up Nigel it doesn't work at home unless we are attacked.

Southampton will have a tougher time than MKD because they WILL attack us.

 

[Fiery Blade]

The reason we get third rate officials is that we play in the third rate division